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Old 06-15-18, 12:54 PM
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Major League Baseball attendance continues to fall

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The owners meetings wrapped up today and, while there wasn’t much in the way of actual decisions and high-level news to speak of, Eric Fisher of Sports Business Journal says that, according to Rob Manfred, attendance is down 7% this year compared to last year.

While earlier in the season some of this falloff could be chalked up to bad weather, the weather has improved but the attendance has not. Fisher says Manfred “signals [a] new concern that are other issues [are] at play besides rain/cold.”
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Old 06-15-18, 01:00 PM
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This was mentioned on TV yesterday and one of their explanations was the type of game being played. One person thought it was because the pitchers have become more dominant due to pitching rotations. They wanted to lower the mound, limit the number of pitchers per team, and stop defensive shifts.

The other person put it squarely on the lack of quality hitting. The big swings and lack of ability to hit the ball the other way. Strikeouts are at historically high levels at the same time HRs are historically high. Big, strong swings are the norm now. Striking out is no big deal as long as the hitter can produce a decent amount of homeruns.
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Old 06-15-18, 03:00 PM
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It is not exciting to watch a lot of strike outs and walks, with 7 fielders standing around bored also. Having balls put in play is much more entertaining. Lots of strike outs and walks also means higher pitch counts, more pitching changes, and longer games.

Here is my simple solution. Call balls and strikes based on the strike zone as stated in the rule book. Bottom of knees to the letters. Every bit of the width of the plate. Force the hitters to swing more.

If the result is that the buffoons strike out even more, maybe we need a radical rule. Add a rule that says if you strikeout 3 times in a game, you get a "yellow card". Do it again, it's a "red card" and you must sit out the next game. Cut your swing down and put it in play.

Crazy I know. I have LOVED baseball my whole life. But the sport is hard to watch as it is now. Something has to change.
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Old 06-15-18, 03:07 PM
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Electronic strike zone,bases,dear God this baseball now is for rest home folks...BAM!
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Old 06-15-18, 03:22 PM
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The biggest reason is there is just alot of things to do today. Teams that win will always have big attendance numbers, everyone loves a winner.
People also have very low loyalty these days. Baseball ticket prices are lower than they have been in 50 years. Heck you can now go to alot of ball parks, pay $25-$30 and go to any game, standing room only. They are just happy if you stop by and buy a hot dog and beer.
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Old 06-15-18, 03:35 PM
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Probably because players are kneeling during the anthem
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Old 06-15-18, 07:09 PM
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It is not exciting to watch a lot of strike outs and walks, with 7 fielders standing around bored also. Having balls put in play is much more entertaining. Lots of strike outs and walks also means higher pitch counts, more pitching changes, and longer games.

Here is my simple solution. Call balls and strikes based on the strike zone as stated in the rule book. Bottom of knees to the letters. Every bit of the width of the plate. Force the hitters to swing more.

If the result is that the buffoons strike out even more, maybe we need a radical rule. Add a rule that says if you strikeout 3 times in a game, you get a "yellow card". Do it again, it's a "red card" and you must sit out the next game. Cut your swing down and put it in play.

Crazy I know. I have LOVED baseball my whole life. But the sport is hard to watch as it is now. Something has to change.
Well said!

Personally, I think seeing players move around the bases (single, steal, another single, double for two runs, etc.) is much more exciting than waiting for one or two players to hit a home run. People have more things to do than spend four hours watching (waiting and snoozing) a ballgame. And, more and more, we do! For example, instead of watching the Reds and Pirates right now, I am watching Washington Week! Well, sort of...
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Old 06-20-18, 11:07 AM
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I don't think the games changed as much as the people watching it has changed.
There are just so many other things for people to do today than go to a baseball game. There are alot of people that follow the game who rarley watches, kind of like fantasy football. The millennial generation follows games on their phones, they get scoring updates, they don't sit and watch games. We have an ADHD society who has to have constant things going on.
Games are long because of the breaks in between innings due to ....children...REVENUE. Sure, they could have 90 minute breaks between innings, but 2 and a half minutes times 18 half innings makes alot more money.
Baseball is a great game, take the time to tune in!
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Old 06-20-18, 11:39 AM
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I think the biggest thing is the decline in kids playing the sport. Baseball is a specialty sport now for youth. It used to be THE only sport nearly everybody played. Kids don’t even play pickup games anymore.

Less people are passionate about it, which makes it more of a novalty or thing to do vs something to obsess about and follow.
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Old 06-20-18, 12:44 PM
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Bring back steroids.
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Old 06-20-18, 01:53 PM
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Times change, people change. Soccer fits into young parents busy lives. The required skills of playing soccer at age 4-5 is run and kick the ball. That changes only slightly as the years go on, so there is very little "need" to spend alot of time with junior in the yard.
Baseball / softball however. Are specific skills that take YEARS to hone. The average kid does not learn how to hit, throw, catch in one season. It also takes work at home in the yard with the kid to get better. Again, running and kicking a ball is pretty simple and easy.
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Old 06-20-18, 02:06 PM
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Times change, people change. Soccer fits into young parents busy lives. The required skills of playing soccer at age 4-5 is run and kick the ball. That changes only slightly as the years go on, so there is very little "need" to spend alot of time with junior in the yard.
Baseball / softball however. Are specific skills that take YEARS to hone. The average kid does not learn how to hit, throw, catch in one season. It also takes work at home in the yard with the kid to get better. Again, running and kicking a ball is pretty simple and easy.
You sound like a moron.

Softball....
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Old 06-20-18, 02:11 PM
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Times change, people change. Soccer fits into young parents busy lives. The required skills of playing soccer at age 4-5 is run and kick the ball. That changes only slightly as the years go on, so there is very little "need" to spend alot of time with junior in the yard.
Baseball / softball however. Are specific skills that take YEARS to hone. The average kid does not learn how to hit, throw, catch in one season. It also takes work at home in the yard with the kid to get better. Again, running and kicking a ball is pretty simple and easy.
We are the most athletic nation in the world and suck at soccer. Soccer needs to get out of its rich bubble and recruit inner city black kids to soccer. Baseball is the same way. Just a bunch of rich kids
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Old 06-20-18, 04:08 PM
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Times change, people change. Soccer fits into young parents busy lives. The required skills of playing soccer at age 4-5 is run and kick the ball. That changes only slightly as the years go on, so there is very little "need" to spend alot of time with junior in the yard.
Baseball / softball however. Are specific skills that take YEARS to hone. The average kid does not learn how to hit, throw, catch in one season. It also takes work at home in the yard with the kid to get better. Again, running and kicking a ball is pretty simple and easy.
Soccer is nearly as specialized a sport as baseball. You clearly don't know what you're talking about, yet again.

If you want to play at the highest levels anymore you must specialize - that's true of soccer, baseball, basketball, football, golf, volleyball, hockey, lacrosse, etc.
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Tribe should be OK
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It is not exciting to watch a lot of strike outs and walks, with 7 fielders standing around bored also. Having balls put in play is much more entertaining. Lots of strike outs and walks also means higher pitch counts, more pitching changes, and longer games.

Here is my simple solution. Call balls and strikes based on the strike zone as stated in the rule book. Bottom of knees to the letters. Every bit of the width of the plate. Force the hitters to swing more.

If the result is that the buffoons strike out even more, maybe we need a radical rule. Add a rule that says if you strikeout 3 times in a game, you get a "yellow card". Do it again, it's a "red card" and you must sit out the next game. Cut your swing down and put it in play.

Crazy I know. I have LOVED baseball my whole life. But the sport is hard to watch as it is now. Something has to change.
For the first time ever, >33% of MLB plate appearances result in K, BB, or HbP. No action, no play to be made. Not good.

They tried enforcing the proper "rulebook zone" a bit, but I'd suspect it just trades more Ks for BBs. For whatever reason, they backed off.

There's another cause to the problem. The extreme effectiveness of the various 2nd generation shifts has been much of the inspiration for launch angle and other HR emphasis, which in turn translates to Ks. The best changes to be made are in the infield. Everybody has at least their toes inside the outfield grass, no 5th infielder, and two infielders on each side of second at all times.
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