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Old 01-10-17, 03:01 PM
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Should Champions have to move up one division the following season?

Should State Champions have to move up one division the following season?

This is one rule that I would like to see put into place.

Since the enrollment cutoff numbers are so arbitrary, if you are able to win in a division, I feel the next year you should have to move up to the next highest division (with the exception of DI obviously).

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Old 01-10-17, 03:04 PM
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Sounds good. But at what point do you revert back to your actual division
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Old 01-10-17, 03:08 PM
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Well, Marion Local can beat 95% of the teams in DI, so I'm sure they would be indifferent to this rule. After all, they beat Detroit Central Catholic that one year.
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Old 01-10-17, 03:09 PM
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No.
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Old 01-10-17, 03:10 PM
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Sounds good. But at what point do you revert back to your actual division
When you don't win the championship.
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Old 01-10-17, 03:13 PM
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Sorry, but dumbest thing I've heard in a long time.
First, does absolutely nothing to Div I.
Second, a decent but average football program has the class of a lifetime and wins a state title. They lose 18 starters but are forced into a larger division the next year because of what LAST YEAR'S team did. What?

When did Marion Local play Detroit CC?
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Old 01-10-17, 03:41 PM
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When did Marion Local play Detroit CC?
Apparently in Lambeau Fields' wet dreams since the MAC seems to have taken residence in his head.
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Old 01-10-17, 03:51 PM
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Sorry, but dumbest thing I've heard in a long time.
First, does absolutely nothing to Div I.
Second, a decent but average football program has the class of a lifetime and wins a state title. They lose 18 starters but are forced into a larger division the next year because of what LAST YEAR'S team did. What?
In most sports, we have three divisions:

DI: D1/2 football divisions
DII: D3/4/5 ""
DIII: D6/7 ""

The schools on the bottom end of the enrollment are still competing in those divisions every year in every other sport. The biggest difference is that only 3 schools can call themselves state champs. For whatever reason, we've made football much easier to win a championship than any other sport in Ohio. Basically, a competitive balance before there was a competitive balance proposal.

Once a school is able to win a championship in a lower division, I would like to move them up. Does it really matter if they are losing 18 starters? Not really, there are plenty of schools that are only marginally larger than them that have had to compete at a higher level for years. If you win, you get moved up so you don't benefit from these artificial enrollment cutoffs that provide competitive balance.
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Old 01-10-17, 03:53 PM
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If my school won a state championship in any sport, I would have no problem with them being moved up for one year.
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Old 01-10-17, 03:55 PM
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If my school won a state championship in any sport, I would have no problem with them being moved up for one year.
I have, and my school has, and I wouldnt be interested in moving up. Why punish many still on the team with moving up?
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Old 01-10-17, 04:15 PM
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Sure if it's by choice. And also allow the option for the non-competitive programs to move down and keep adding more divisions to accommodate them.
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Old 01-10-17, 04:18 PM
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Should State Champions have to move up one division the following season?



This is one rule that I would like to see put into place.



Since the enrollment cutoff numbers are so arbitrary, if you are able to win in a division, I feel the next year you should have to move up to the next highest division (with the exception of DI obviously).



Thoughts?


1 to 2 successful years wouldn't suggest a trend therefore moving up or down a division isn't warranted in my opinion; however, if that trend improves to 3 wins / or losses within a 5 year period I think I would recommend movement.

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Old 01-10-17, 04:32 PM
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A single year is too small of a sampling to say they need to move up. Of course, if you did this, OHSAA would need to move schools down too since, outside of D1, they try to keep the divisions equal in size.

But lets say it is forced and not optional like you suggested. What if the school wins next year in a higher division? Do we keep moving them up?

Obviously thinking about the MAC here as they have proven they could probably win in any of the three lower divisions.
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Old 01-10-17, 04:53 PM
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I believe that it should be the choice of the school if they want to move up or not. High school teams can be completely different from one year to another. Unless the OHSAA makes it more rewarding for each higher division then I do not see the reasoning to why a team would do it.
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Old 01-10-17, 05:04 PM
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I think that school that does not make the playoffs should drop down a division; while this will eventually make D7 about 600 schools, those schools by definition are losers and at least they will be competing against other losers for a playoff spot. Win a playoff game and you get bumped up a division









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Old 01-10-17, 05:28 PM
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Should State Champions have to move up one division the following season?

This is one rule that I would like to see put into place.

Since the enrollment cutoff numbers are so arbitrary, if you are able to win in a division, I feel the next year you should have to move up to the next highest division (with the exception of DI obviously).

Thoughts?
Well maybe teams that finish under 500 be move down a division.
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Old 01-10-17, 05:33 PM
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No. And there should be fewer divisions.
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Old 01-10-17, 06:42 PM
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No. Talent is often cyclical, especially in the public schools.
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Old 01-11-17, 07:00 AM
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Absolutely makes no sense! Especially for public schools!


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Old 01-11-17, 10:33 AM
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No but perhaps a move up could be optional
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Old 01-11-17, 10:43 AM
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Catholic schools, who win a majority of title, would have no problem moving up. Hartley could play any division. DeSales could play any division. Newark Catholic could play a lot bigger schools.movimg them up just takes away from a public school in the higher division to have to play a catholic school. IT would put Fesales and Hartley in the same division in Sao,e cases. If they are in the same division let it be by enrollment.
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Old 01-11-17, 10:47 AM
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Should State Champions have to move up one division the following season?

This is one rule that I would like to see put into place.

Since the enrollment cutoff numbers are so arbitrary, if you are able to win in a division, I feel the next year you should have to move up to the next highest division (with the exception of DI obviously).

Thoughts?
and move up the D1 champ where?
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Old 01-11-17, 12:15 PM
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Old 01-11-17, 12:29 PM
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Catholic schools, who win a majority of title, would have no problem moving up. Hartley could play any division. DeSales could play any division. Newark Catholic could play a lot bigger schools.movimg them up just takes away from a public school in the higher division to have to play a catholic school. IT would put Fesales and Hartley in the same division in Sao,e cases. If they are in the same division let it be by enrollment.
Except for the two seasons they dropped down to D5 and couldnt get passed some small podunk cow town........
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Old 01-11-17, 12:29 PM
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No but perhaps a move up could be optional
PA does that and I like it.
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Old 01-11-17, 01:59 PM
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Catholic schools, who win a majority of title, would have no problem moving up. Hartley could play any division. DeSales could play any division. Newark Catholic could play a lot bigger schools.movimg them up just takes away from a public school in the higher division to have to play a catholic school. IT would put Fesales and Hartley in the same division in Sao,e cases. If they are in the same division let it be by enrollment.
Newark Catholic in the 1980's maybe but not now

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Old 01-11-17, 03:52 PM
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should state champions have to move up one division the following season?

This is one rule that i would like to see put into place.

Since the enrollment cutoff numbers are so arbitrary, if you are able to win in a division, i feel the next year you should have to move up to the next highest division (with the exception of di obviously).

Thoughts?
no!
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Old 01-11-17, 04:02 PM
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Catholic schools, who win a majority of title, would have no problem moving up. Hartley could play any division. DeSales could play any division. Newark Catholic could play a lot bigger schools.movimg them up just takes away from a public school in the higher division to have to play a catholic school. IT would put Fesales and Hartley in the same division in Sao,e cases. If they are in the same division let it be by enrollment.
Where do you send St X?
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Old 01-11-17, 04:07 PM
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Where do you send St X?
D 1 schools are obvious exception.
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Old 01-11-17, 04:11 PM
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D 1 schools are obvious exception.
That's stupid
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