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Old 05-20-14, 01:54 PM
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I think it's because Mogadore is the equivalent of Akron's east side private when SVSM consolidated and set up shop NW of downtown. The only other schools competing in the smallest division with that type of population density surrounding it and right around the state average for median household income are private schools.

Number of families with income < $10k:
Mogadore: 3.3% (38)
Ohio: 5.5% (163,365)
Number of families with income $10-20k:
Mogadore: 5.7% (65)
State: 7.7% (227,506)
Number of families with income $20-30k:
Mogadore: 6.8% (77)
State: 9.7% (285,704)
Number of families with income $30-40k:
Mogadore: 15.1% (172)
State: 10.1% (299,110)
Number of families with income $40-50k:
Mogadore: 17.7% (202)
State: 10.1% (297,728)
Number of families with income $50-60k:
Mogadore: 10.7% (121)
Ohio: 9.2% (270,877)
Number of families with income $60-75k:
Mogadore: 12.9% (147)
Ohio: 12.4% (366,469)

Read more: http://www.city-data.com/income/inco...#ixzz32HZvq19R

D6 (7) has by and large been rural, and poor, I'd guess much lower than the mean. Aside from small communities that are right next to or carved out of bigger metro areas (ex. Kirtland),

Plus open enrollment really can benefit a magnet school with the right geography, I don't know but I'd bet Mogadore is open enrollment, and there's been plenty of student athletes throughout the years that thought they'd be a better fit at Mogadore than say Akron Ellet.

63.0% of homes were married couples,
31.9% of homes had children under the age of 18,

But the big one that's a huge indicator for success is this-
The population density was 1,860.8 people per square mile (719.2/kmē). There were 1,521 housing units at an average density of 727.0 per square mile (281.0/kmē).

Show me another school competing in the smallest division with that type of population density and I will guarantee you they are either a private or wealthy suburban district. Now you still need a chef (coach) to cook it but those are absolutely the ingredients for a successful football program.
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Old 05-20-14, 02:05 PM
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^^^ Yes, population density is exactly how Marion Local cooked up a juggernaut!
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Old 05-20-14, 02:39 PM
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Yeah look at all them private juggernauts in small ball! Saw TCC's playoff game, it looked like a different sport.
And Mentor, aside from being one of the biggest schools and wealthiest areas of the state, some of the deepest traditions in the state (Lee Tressel established a dynasty there in the 50s), having multiple NFL alumni, still has 0 state titles and a losing record against privates in the playoffs.

Thank you come again
If you think Mentor is one of the wealthiest areas in the state then you are truly clueless and don't get out of Tuscarawas County very often. Mentor is not poor by any means but it is nowhere near one of the wealthiest areas in the state. You may want to venture out of backwoods Tuscarawas County once in a while.
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Old 05-20-14, 02:49 PM
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^^^ Yes, population density is exactly how Marion Local cooked up a juggernaut!
I was thinking the exact same thing. Journey....off base as usual.
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Old 05-20-14, 02:59 PM
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Your right but publics come and go based on the talent pool in the district.

One of the best explanation i heard is a pick up game of basketball. Choose teams public has 10 kids to choose from the non-public has 400 to choose from. Who will win?? Most of the time.


Hey journey I'll take a 30 pack of bush. I'm a thirsty juice boxer guy.
....what if the 400 were dwarves? Or nerds?
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Old 05-20-14, 03:03 PM
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Lots of brain surgery go on.
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Old 05-20-14, 03:04 PM
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Lots of brain surgery go on.
Uh.....what?
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Old 05-20-14, 03:22 PM
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....what if the 400 were dwarves? Or nerds?
A brain surgeon.
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Old 05-20-14, 04:19 PM
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If you think Mentor is one of the wealthiest areas in the state then you are truly clueless and don't get out of Tuscarawas County very often. Mentor is not poor by any means but it is nowhere near one of the wealthiest areas in the state. You may want to venture out of backwoods Tuscarawas County once in a while.
I was just in Mentor last weekend, Lake County is 8th of 88 for income, municipality wise they are 147 out of 1065.

How high do you have to go before you're considered wealthy? Kirtland is 3 btw.
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Old 05-20-14, 04:35 PM
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I was just in Mentor last weekend, Lake County is 8th of 88 for income, municipality wise they are 147 out of 1065.

How high do you have to go before you're considered wealthy? Kirtland is 3 btw.
Where does Mercer County rank? Are all those wealthy folks in Maria Stein, Coldwater and St. Henry pumping out super-human football players? How about Kenton? How about Steubenville?
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Old 05-20-14, 07:00 PM
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How about Steubenville?
Everyone knows that half of Stebenville's team comes from WV. And the other half only plays because they get released from juvey on Friday nights.
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Old 05-20-14, 07:52 PM
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I was just in Mentor last weekend, Lake County is 8th of 88 for income, municipality wise they are 147 out of 1065.

How high do you have to go before you're considered wealthy? Kirtland is 3 btw.
Where does Mentor-on-the-Lake rank, which is also in the district?



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Old 05-20-14, 08:32 PM
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Everyone knows that half of Stebenville's team comes from WV. And the other half only plays because they get released from juvey on Friday nights.
Another ignorant comment. But coming from you, it's no surprise.
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Old 05-20-14, 09:08 PM
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I think it's because Mogadore is the equivalent of Akron's east side private when SVSM consolidated and set up shop NW of downtown. The only other schools competing in the smallest division with that type of population density surrounding it and right around the state average for median household income are private schools.

Number of families with income < $10k:
Mogadore: 3.3% (38)
Ohio: 5.5% (163,365)
Number of families with income $10-20k:
Mogadore: 5.7% (65)
State: 7.7% (227,506)
Number of families with income $20-30k:
Mogadore: 6.8% (77)
State: 9.7% (285,704)
Number of families with income $30-40k:
Mogadore: 15.1% (172)
State: 10.1% (299,110)
Number of families with income $40-50k:
Mogadore: 17.7% (202)
State: 10.1% (297,728)
Number of families with income $50-60k:
Mogadore: 10.7% (121)
Ohio: 9.2% (270,877)
Number of families with income $60-75k:
Mogadore: 12.9% (147)
Ohio: 12.4% (366,469)

Read more: http://www.city-data.com/income/inco...#ixzz32HZvq19R

D6 (7) has by and large been rural, and poor, I'd guess much lower than the mean. Aside from small communities that are right next to or carved out of bigger metro areas (ex. Kirtland),

Plus open enrollment really can benefit a magnet school with the right geography, I don't know but I'd bet Mogadore is open enrollment, and there's been plenty of student athletes throughout the years that thought they'd be a better fit at Mogadore than say Akron Ellet.

63.0% of homes were married couples,
31.9% of homes had children under the age of 18,

But the big one that's a huge indicator for success is this-
The population density was 1,860.8 people per square mile (719.2/kmē). There were 1,521 housing units at an average density of 727.0 per square mile (281.0/kmē).

Show me another school competing in the smallest division with that type of population density and I will guarantee you they are either a private or wealthy suburban district. Now you still need a chef (coach) to cook it but those are absolutely the ingredients for a successful football program.
Mogadore is full open enrollment now, but it hasn't always been that way. I can't remember ever having a guy on the team from within the Akron city limits. The 5 or so kids that were open enrollment when I was in school were from the Akron Springfield district and the Field district.

Mogadore is as blue collar and middle-class as they come. It is by no means a wealthy community. The kids grow up loving football and the community always supports the program. Winning breads winning. It's as simple as that.

So are you proposing a multiplier based on population density now? It couldn't just be that Mogadore has established a winning program the right way. There has to always be an explanation. I don't get it.

Nice work on the statistics though. That had to take some time.
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Old 05-20-14, 09:12 PM
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^^^ Yes, population density is exactly how Marion Local cooked up a juggernaut!
These types always try explain away why some programs are successful. Instead they should focus on what deficiencies their own program has and correct them. Look in more mirrors and less windows. That's about the best advice I can give these guys.

Great post Serpico!
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Old 05-20-14, 09:30 PM
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These types always try explain away why some programs are successful. Instead they should focus on what deficiencies their own program has and correct them. Look in more mirrors and less windows. That's about the best advice I can give these guys.

Great post Serpico!
They aren't good at accepting the best advice. But they can cry and whine until they get their way. Unfortunately for them, that doesn't win ball games.
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Old 05-20-14, 10:19 PM
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They aren't good at accepting the best advice. But they can cry and whine until they get their way. Unfortunately for them, that doesn't win ball games.
Absolutely. The kids, the coaches, the parents, and the community have to make a substantial commitment in order to win football games. When this happens that's when the bottom dwellers will rise up and start winning titles. No legislation of any kind has ever created a champion!
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Old 05-20-14, 10:19 PM
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These types always try explain away why some programs are successful. Instead they should focus on what deficiencies their own program has and correct them. Look in more mirrors and less windows. That's about the best advice I can give these guys.

Great post Serpico!
Mogadore Wildcats
Playoff losses 2003-2013
2004 St Paul 28-32
2005 Catholic Central 13-35
2006 Shadyside 7-45
2007 Hopewell-Loudon 16-40
2008 Hopewell-Loudon 0-30
2009 St Paul 7-48
2010 Shadyside 13-28
2011 Youngstown Christian 17-20
2012 Newark Catholic 21-38
2013 Kirtland 7-45
In the playoffs 50% of Mogadore losses came from non-publics. Non-publics make up only 10% of all high school football teams.
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Old 05-20-14, 10:23 PM
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Mogadore Wildcats
Playoff losses 2003-2013
2004 St Paul 28-32
2005 Catholic Central 13-35
2006 Shadyside 7-45
2007 Hopewell-Loudon 16-40
2008 Hopewell-Loudon 0-30
2009 St Paul 7-48
2010 Shadyside 13-28
2011 Youngstown Christian 17-20
2012 Newark Catholic 21-38
2013 Kirtland 7-45
In the playoffs 50% of Mogadore losses came from non-publics. Non-publics make up only 10% of all high school football teams.
Mogadore fans aren't crying about it, though.
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Old 05-20-14, 10:26 PM
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Mogadore fans aren't crying about it, though.
Lol.
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Old 05-20-14, 10:47 PM
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Another ignorant comment. But coming from you, it's no surprise.
The quiddities of bucolic humor are often a trifle obscure to the uninitiated.
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Old 05-20-14, 11:37 PM
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Mogadore fans aren't crying about it, though.
That's because we like playing the best, even if that means we are probably going to get beat. That is why we were able to beat VASJ last year. VASJ was faster and more athletic than Mogadore, but our kids responded by playing a a hard-fought and inspired football game. As a former Mogadore player, and now a fan, I know that Mogadore will probably lose around half of the time to private schools. But my mentality has always been that when you play the best it provides a measuring stick. Not only in terms of skill, but also intestinal fortitude.
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Old 05-21-14, 06:46 AM
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Mogadore Wildcats
Playoff losses 2003-2013
2004 St Paul 28-32
2005 Catholic Central 13-35
2006 Shadyside 7-45
2007 Hopewell-Loudon 16-40
2008 Hopewell-Loudon 0-30
2009 St Paul 7-48
2010 Shadyside 13-28
2011 Youngstown Christian 17-20
2012 Newark Catholic 21-38
2013 Kirtland 7-45
In the playoffs 50% of Mogadore losses came from non-publics. Non-publics make up only 10% of all high school football teams.
Wolfie posting a list if games with no context? Color me surprised.

2004 A 6-4 team that lost by 4 to the eventual state runner-up (who lost to a public school btw)

Not mentioning wins over Steu Catholic, Youngstown Christian, VASJ? What's the matter wolf, those don't jive with your bias?

And go back 3 more seasons and you can add wins over Sandusky St. Marys, Tiffin Calvert, and lo and behold Newark Catholic. Isn't Newark Catholic one of those schools you and hose-boy win titles year after year after year? Oops...guess not.
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Old 05-21-14, 07:52 AM
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http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown...104T00&p0=2275

897 days

Non publics have played with an advantage for 41 years, 6 months, 14 days
http://www.timeanddate.com/date/dura...&d2=18&y2=2014
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Old 05-21-14, 08:30 AM
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Wolfie posting a list if games with no context? Color me surprised.

2004 A 6-4 team that lost by 4 to the eventual state runner-up (who lost to a public school btw)

Not mentioning wins over Steu Catholic, Youngstown Christian, VASJ? What's the matter wolf, those don't jive with your bias?

And go back 3 more seasons and you can add wins over Sandusky St. Marys, Tiffin Calvert, and lo and behold Newark Catholic. Isn't Newark Catholic one of those schools you and hose-boy win titles year after year after year? Oops...guess not.
Mogadore beat NC two times in three years actually (2000 and 2002). Mogadore also went 1-1 in a home and home series against Newark Catholic in I believe 2005/2006. A few years back Mogadore also beat Linsly Academy from WV and Holy Trinity from Canada. Linsly was a very good football team that year. And don't forgot Mogadore beat Warren JFK in 2009. And if you want to throw 1996 in there, Mogadore beat Norwalk St. Paul in the Semi-final game. Mogadore is actually 27-17-1 all time versus privates. So if a small public like Mogadore can hang with the privates, why is it impossible to think others can too?

P.S. - Mogadore's freshman team beat Hoban's freshman team in 1998. Lol
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Old 05-21-14, 08:38 AM
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I think it's because Mogadore is the equivalent of Akron's east side private when SVSM consolidated and set up shop NW of downtown. The only other schools competing in the smallest division with that type of population density surrounding it and right around the state average for median household income are private schools..
Pretty sure Hoban is Akron's east side private. Lol
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Kirtland is not 3rd, BTW. You're thinking of Kirtland Hills, which is a small village of about 400 people, and is split between the Kirtland and Mentor School Districts. It's an old money enclave with very few families with students who attend public schools. The few households with school aged children are more the Hawken/University crowd. Kind of like Waite Hill.

Lake County's ranking as 8th is somewhat misleading. There's a lot more concentrated wealth in Cuyahoga County but their numbers are pulled down by the City of Cleveland and some of the inner ring suburbs. Lake County doesn't even have the old industrial legacy cities like Lorain County does (Lorain and Elyria) or any smaller, poorer rural districts. Basically, Lake County scores so well by this metric by the lack of low outliers to pull the numbers down.

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I was just in Mentor last weekend, Lake County is 8th of 88 for income, municipality wise they are 147 out of 1065.

How high do you have to go before you're considered wealthy? Kirtland is 3 btw.
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Old 05-21-14, 08:40 AM
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Mogadore beat NC two times in three years actually (2000 and 2002). Mogadore also went 1-1 in a home and home series against Newark Catholic in I believe 2005/2006. A few years back Mogadore also beat Linsly Academy from WV and Holy Trinity from Canada. Linsly was a very good football team that year. And don't forgot Mogadore beat Warren JFK in 2009. And if you want to throw 1996 in there, Mogadore beat Norwalk St. Paul in the Semi-final game. Mogadore is actually 27-17-1 all time versus privates. So if a small public like Mogadore can hang with the privates, why is it impossible to think others can too?

P.S. - Mogadore's freshman team beat Hoban's freshman team in 1998. Lol

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Old 05-21-14, 08:41 AM
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http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown...104T00&p0=2275

897 days

Non publics have played with an advantage for 41 years, 6 months, 14 days
http://www.timeanddate.com/date/dura...&d2=18&y2=2014


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Old 05-21-14, 09:01 AM
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Lets get this right non-pubic's got juice and most public's drank the kool-aid.
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