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Old 05-28-18, 09:16 AM
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Yes long careers aren’t going to be perfect . To be sure thousands and thousands of people dint share your tribes thoughts on Trump. Not one businessman praised Trump or endorsed him during the campaign . Most people even those who are in his circle think he’s a sheet stain as a person .

Muellers life and reputation dwarfs Trumps except for people like you who think
More of Trump. That’s a good look for you Lotty suits you and your ondpuraby crap
Harry, Harry, do you eat with that same foul mouth?
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Old 05-28-18, 10:44 AM
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Yes long careers aren’t going to be perfect . To be sure thousands and thousands of people dint share your tribes thoughts on Trump. Not one businessman praised Trump or endorsed him during the campaign . Most people even those who are in his circle think he’s a sheet stain as a person .

Muellers life and reputation dwarfs Trumps except for people like you who think
More of Trump. That’s a good look for you Lotty suits you and your ondpuraby crap
Oh please, Mueller has a track record of botched investigations and chasing after innocent folks.

And are you certain that "not ONE businessman praised Trump"?

And for the record, Trump's life and behavior is far more laudable then Mueller's. While having a big mouth, cheating on his wives and acting crassly may upset your tender sensitivities I am bothered a whole lot more by a man who appears to have ruined peoples lives in his history of overzealous prosecutions.
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Old 05-28-18, 10:53 AM
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Saw something on TV yesterday where Dick Thornburg was doing a presser at a podium and lo and behold there was Mueller standing behind to the left, now Thornburg was the AG 1988-1991 30 years ago. Tell me Mueller isn't a swamp old timer.
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Old 05-28-18, 03:59 PM
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Happy Memorial Day! Those who died for our great country would be very happy and proud at how well our country is doing today. Best economy in decades, lowest unemployment numbers for Blacks and Hispanics EVER (& women in 18years), rebuilding our Military and so much more. Nice!


Trump tweet of course even on this day making it all about him as if he is most responsible for how this country is doing .

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Old 05-28-18, 04:06 PM
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OK you can side with Trump and his character , you've made that clear .

Have you always been so bothered about overzealous prosecutions as you say BEOFRE this investigation of Trump? It remarkable the loyalty that a complete scumbag emits from his flock .

Again you really think Trump's character is on par with war veterans FBI directors and people who actually have spent their whole lives SERVING others as opposed to themselves ? Include Trump even to this day basically caring most about himself ?


You are a Trumpet poster boy for being ridiculously blind to this guy's act . Anymore out here who think Donald's ethics morality integrity and who he is and what he has done being superior in every way to the people who are doing their job investigating obvious Russian meddling?
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Old 05-28-18, 04:11 PM
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OK you can side with Trump and his character , you've made that clear .

Have you always been so bothered about overzealous prosecutions as you say BEOFRE this investigation of Trump? It remarkable the loyalty that a complete scumbag emits from his flock .

Again you really think Trump's character is on par with war veterans FBI directors and people who actually have spent their whole lives SERVING others as opposed to themselves ? Include Trump even to this day basically caring most about himself ?


You are a Trumpet poster boy for being ridiculously blind to this guy's act . Anymore out here who think Donald's ethics morality integrity and who he is and what he has done being superior in every way to the people who are doing their job investigating obvious Russian meddling?
So even you admit no collusion?
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Old 05-28-18, 04:25 PM
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Trump is a babe in the woods, has never done business with Russia despite both his sons contentions and other tangible proof and evidence, never asked the Russians to find Hillary's emails never praised Putin as a strong good leader and has yet to personally attack the man oh that's right he HAS many times lol .

OK , You guys have the whole transcript of the investigation all the information that is important. Only You Trump guys know the details of what's been found or not found and how it fits in with any possible wrongdoing and or crimes . The indictments and plea deals are bogus and the people will be cleared. How do I know? You have told me . I don't have the access to the Mueller investigation that you have so I can choose to believe Donald Trump's assertions and daily attacks and attempts at undermining or I can wait for a while until the investigation is done and the charged people and people being investigated are done speaking to the authorities and weighing their options .

You can conclude what you want to and believe Don Drumph and Rudy G and the rest of the truth tellers and ethical superiors , I'll wait a bit thanks
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Old 05-28-18, 05:20 PM
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President Trump is merging his national security and trade goals in a blur of tactical improvisation that risks alienating U.S. allies and opening American businesses to costly retaliation, according to several Republican lawmakers, business executives and former U.S. officials.
The president last week initiated a Commerce Department investigation that could lead to tariffs of up to 25 percent on foreign cars, arguing that a flood of imports had eroded the nation’s manufacturing base and threatened the nation’s security.
The potential auto tariffs — which would hit Mexico, Canada, Japan and Germany hardest — are the latest sign of the president’s fluid approach to national and economic security that has left allies and adversaries baffled over U.S. intentions, according to foreign diplomats.

The proposal has irritated close allies like Germany and the United Kingdom while inviting demands for similar protection from an ever-expanding list of U.S. industries.
The president holds an expansive view of national security, describing imported products like steel or passenger sedans as worrisome threats to the United States. Yet he also engages in freewheeling bargaining that treats vital strategic considerations as the equivalent of commercial factors, leaving negotiating partners unsure of his true priorities.

Past presidents generally tried to keep national security issues in one lane and trade policy in another lane,” said Peter Harrell, a former official in the State Department’s bureau of economic and business affairs. “Trump is just more willing to make trade-offs between the two.”
The auto tariffs are the second time in less than three months that the president has cited national security as a justification for protectionism.
Chinese leaders had demanded an easing of ZTE’s punishment in return for progress in trade talks that are scheduled to continue June 2 in Beijing with the arrival of Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross.
On Friday, Trump announced on Twitter that he was allowing ZTE to “reopen” in return for management changes, payment of a $1.3 billion fine and a promise to buy American parts. The reversal on U.S. policy toward a company that had equipped two avowed U.S. enemies prompted bipartisan opposition in Congress.


“The striking feature of Trump’s use of national security is the inconsistent and haphazard use of the term, so as to render it meaningless,” said George Magnus, an associate at Oxford University’s China Center. “. . . What I see is Trump using national security as a blanket to obfuscate simple trade protectionism.”
Given Trump’s dealmaker persona, many analysts saw the proposed auto tariffs as a bargaining chip in talks aimed at a new North American trade deal. Higher import levies on foreign cars could push Mexico to accept U.S. proposals to require more auto content from American factories, they said.
But the experience from an earlier round of tariffs on steel and aluminum has dulled the threat. The metals tariffs were also billed as an essential measure to cope with a national security threat, only for Trump days later to grant waivers affecting almost two-thirds of imported steel.
The autos proposal reflected Trump’s “America First” philosophy, which cheers heartland voters with promises to reclaim lost manufacturing jobs and represents a sharp break from the party’s Reaganite orthodoxy on trade.
Administration officials believe a flood of foreign auto imports has crushed the U.S. manufacturing sector, leaving the U.S. unable to produce material needed for national defense.


“National security is broadly defined to include the economy, to include the impact on employment, to include a very big variety of things,” Ross told CNBC on Thursday. “Economic security is military security. And without economic security, you can’t have military security.”
Ross said the low 2.5 percent tariff on automobiles entering the United States is a primary reason so many foreign cars are imported.
Trump’s attempt to stretch a 1962 trade law — which permits higher tariffs when imports “threaten to impair the national security” — to cover routine sales of foreign-made cars drew strong opposition from within his own party.

“Raising taxes on Americans who choose to buy imported cars or trucks is a bad idea. Doing it under the false pretense of national security — Section 232 — is an even worse idea, as it invites retaliation and weakens our credibility on actual trade disputes,” said Sen. Patrick J. Toomey (R-Pa.).
Sen. Bob Corker of Tennessee, the Republican chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, called the proposal “dangerous and destabilizing” and said it should be withdrawn.
Republican allies in the business community also objected. “This isn’t about national security,” said Thomas Donohue, president of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

“The administration has already signaled its true objective is to leverage this tariff threat in trade negotiations with Mexico, Canada, Japan, the European Union, and South Korea.”
The opposition may have little practical effect, since Trump doesn’t need congressional approval. The authority to impose tariffs in the name of national security without congressional interference has made these Section 232 reviews a favorite tool for the Trump administration.
Even if the tariffs are challenged in court or at the World Trade Organization, that process can take months or years, providing ample short-term leverage to seek unrelated concessions
from trading partners like the European Union, Mexico, and Japan.
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Old 05-28-18, 07:38 PM
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"Past presidents generally tried to keep national security issues in one lane and trade policy in another lane,”
Lie.
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Old 05-28-18, 07:50 PM
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you have no idea what you are talking about, about anything, a total waste of space even if only three letters. LOL

Everything is a lie, aren't you supposed to bellow WRONG like lard boy does the 71 year old petulant boy?


Commander 'Bone spurs" [iS THAT A LIE} PUSSES OUT of service because he is a pansy and a fake tough guy , but tells us that the Dead real tough guys would be happy with how Donny has saved our country?

You have to be kidding me. You admire this soft dough boy KFC eating serial liar? a draft dodging pus? My heels hurt THEY ARE TENDER THEY are sore , I can't serve? But you prefer him over real service members ? real character guys .

Hey LOTR , sorry you're sensitive to overzealous prosecutions of people and cases you care nothing about or know nothing about . overzealous ? what a joke , that's the reason you prefer the pilsbury rich fat dough boy who lies cheats and has zero character?
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Old 05-28-18, 08:20 PM
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you have no idea what you are talking about, about anything, a total waste of space even if only three letters. LOL

Everything is a lie, aren't you supposed to bellow WRONG like lard boy does the 71 year old petulant boy?


Commander 'Bone spurs" [iS THAT A LIE} PUSSES OUT of service because he is a pansy and a fake tough guy , but tells us that the Dead real tough guys would be happy with how Donny has saved our country?

You have to be kidding me. You admire this soft dough boy KFC eating serial liar? a draft dodging pus? My heels hurt THEY ARE TENDER THEY are sore , I can't serve? But you prefer him over real service members ? real character guys .

Hey LOTR , sorry you're sensitive to overzealous prosecutions of people and cases you care nothing about or know nothing about . overzealous ? what a joke , that's the reason you prefer the pilsbury rich fat dough boy who lies cheats and has zero character?
Country is in great shape! Its finger licking good that the electric negro and shrillary are gone. It’s a new day in America!
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Old 05-28-18, 08:52 PM
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Hey LOTR , sorry you're sensitive to overzealous prosecutions of people and cases you care nothing about or know nothing about . overzealous ? what a joke , that's the reason you prefer the pilsbury rich fat dough boy who lies cheats and has zero character?
Actually back in the late 1980's I first became aware of the terrible damage that an overzealous prosecutor could do to innocent people by following the Wall Street Journals amazing story's about the McMartin pre-school sex abuse witch hunts.

I was repulsed by the fact that these men & women could hide behind their prosecutor status and destroy lives through what often seemed to me to be pure spite. Way to many prosecutors use their positions of power and responsibility to advance their own political ambitions. Their often stubborn refusal to acknowledge mistakes often leaves innocent folks languishing in prison for years.

How many times do you have to witness an overzealous prosecutor like the creature that prosecuted the Duke Lacrosse team before you admit we have a problem in this country with prosecutors who are more interested in their own political ambitions or pursuit of power then they are in justice?

Mueller is among the worst of these snakes because he is among the most powerful and in his single minded pursuit of Trump, among the most destructive.
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Old 05-28-18, 09:14 PM
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I like KFC. It's not my favorite, but it's OK.
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I like KFC. It's not my favorite, but it's OK.
I hear you. Now that they built a Popeye's close to us, Mrs. Z and I go there when we need a fix - but there's always something inviting and familiar about that secret blend of 11 herbs and spices that still makes us stop by the Colonel's once in a while.

That, and the gravy.
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Old 05-29-18, 07:35 AM
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OK you can side with Trump and his character , you've made that clear .

Have you always been so bothered about overzealous prosecutions as you say BEOFRE this investigation of Trump? It remarkable the loyalty that a complete scumbag emits from his flock .

Again you really think Trump's character is on par with war veterans FBI directors and people who actually have spent their whole lives SERVING others as opposed to themselves ? Include Trump even to this day basically caring most about himself ?


You are a Trumpet poster boy for being ridiculously blind to this guy's act . Anymore out here who think Donald's ethics morality integrity and who he is and what he has done being superior in every way to the people who are doing their job investigating obvious Russian meddling?
What does being a Marine or the number of wives the guy has had have to do with his ability as a prosecutor?
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Old 05-29-18, 07:43 AM
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What does being a Marine or the number of wives the guy has had have to do with his ability as a prosecutor?
General character traits and a willingness to sacrifice for (reasons other than) personal gain.

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Old 05-29-18, 09:38 AM
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General character traits and a willingness to sacrifice for personal gain.
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General character traits and a willingness to sacrifice for (reasons other than) personal gain.
Like Charles Whitman?
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Old 05-29-18, 04:18 PM
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Did you have any opinions Bout what kind of FBI director or prosecutor Mueller was until Trump started bashing him and everyone else who are involved in this matter. ??

Many Republicans had no problem with Mueller when this started? What changed? Trump has put out countless conspiracy theories deep state stuff with basically no evidence .

Go back 20 plus years and look at all of Donald Trumps conspiracy theories and tell me how many were proven true ? It’s done to avoid personal
Responsibility or advance an agenda . Not because they are credible or true.
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Did you have any opinions Bout what kind of FBI director or prosecutor Mueller was until Trump started bashing him and everyone else who are involved in this matter. ??

Many Republicans had no problem with Mueller when this started? What changed? Trump has put out countless conspiracy theories deep state stuff with basically no evidence .

Go back 20 plus years and look at all of Donald Trumps conspiracy theories and tell me how many were proven true ? It’s done to avoid personal
Responsibility or advance an agenda . Not because they are credible or true.
Mueller is the epitome of a swamp creature. Just because he’s a Republican doesn’t make him any less so. If you had the IQ of a turnip you would know this
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Mueller is the epitome of a swamp creature. Just because he’s a Republican doesn’t make him any less so. If you had the IQ of a turnip you would know this
But did you think that before you fell under the spell of Trump?

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Old 05-29-18, 04:56 PM
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But did you think that before you fell under the spell of Trump?

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If you’ve ever read my posts you would know I have very little regard for any politicos, whatever side of the aisle they may be on. Trumps not a politico, will you nitwits ever realize that’s his appeal?
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Old 05-29-18, 05:10 PM
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He appeals to you and your kind, that doesn’t make him appealing . I always thought law and order was a conservative mantra , was formerly in the FBI”s corner and much bigger supporter than Dems were. Now? Donald Trump is trashing every institution and person involved and you guys follow him in kind.

This makes you smart ? This kind of unhinged conspiracy theory touting manic tweeting and repetitive obvious desperate play to his pathetic base makes him
Appealing?

Again he is to you . To many others ? He is the type of person we would be horrified to have our kids resemble in any way shape or form .
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He appeals to you and your kind, that doesn’t make him appealing . I always thought law and order was a conservative mantra , was formerly in the FBI”s corner and much bigger supporter than Dems were. Now? Donald Trump is trashing every institution and person involved and you guys follow him in kind.

This makes you smart ? This kind of unhinged conspiracy theory touting manic tweeting and repetitive obvious desperate play to his pathetic base makes him
Appealing?

Again he is to you . To many others ? He is the type of person we would be horrified to have our kids resemble in any way shape or form .
He is appealing enough to be POTUS so there’s that
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But did you think that before you fell under the spell of Trump?
Dude's a witch, so it's absolutely understandable.
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Old 05-29-18, 06:26 PM
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As a candidate, Donald J. Trump claimed that the United States government had known in advance about the Sept. 11 attacks. He hinted that Antonin Scalia, a Supreme Court justice who died in his sleep two years ago, had been murdered. And for years, Mr. Trump pushed the notion that President Barack Obama had been born in Kenya rather than Honolulu, making him ineligible for the presidency.
None of that was true.
Last week, President Trump promoted new, unconfirmed accusations to suit his political narrative: that a “criminal deep state” element within Mr. Obama’s government planted a spy deep inside his presidential campaign to help his rival, Hillary Clinton, win — a scheme he branded “Spygate.

” It was the latest indication that a president who has for decades trafficked in conspiracy theories has brought them from the fringes of public discourse to the Oval Office.
Now that he is president, Mr. Trump’s baseless stories of secret plots by powerful interests appear to be having a distinct effect. Among critics, they have fanned fears that he is eroding public trust in institutions, undermining the idea of objective truth and sowing widespread suspicions about the government and news media that mirror his own.


“The effect on the life of the nation of a president inventing conspiracy theories in order to distract attention from legitimate investigations or other things he dislikes is corrosive,” said Jon Meacham, a presidential historian and biographer. “The diabolical brilliance of the Trump strategy of disinformation is that many people are simply going to hear the charges and countercharges, and decide that there must be something to them because the president of the United States is saying them.”

The effects were evident in Washington on Thursday, when the Justice Department held a pair of unusual briefings with lawmakers to share sensitive information about the special counsel investigation into Russia’s meddling in the 2016 election and whether the Trump campaign worked with Moscow to sway the contest. Those sessions came about because the president publicly hectored the department to cough up information about an F.B.I. informant he branded a political spy against him.
But Mr. Trump’s willingness to peddle suspicion as fact has implications beyond the Russia inquiry. It is a vital ingredient in the president’s communications arsenal, a social media-fueled, brashly expressed narrative of dubious accusations and dark insinuations that allows him to promote his own version of reality.

Students of Mr. Trump’s life and communication style argue that the idea of conspiracies is a vital part of his strategy to avoid accountability and punch back at detractors, real or perceived, including the news media.
“He’s the blame shifter in chief,” said Gwenda Blair, a Trump biographer. “Conspiracies, by definition, are things that others do to you. You’re being duped; you’re being fooled; the world is laughing at us. It goes to this idea that you can’t believe anything that you read or see. He has sold us a whole way of accepting a narrative that has so many layers of unaccountable, unsubstantiated content that you can’t possibly peel it all back.”
Like most conspiracy theories, Mr. Trump’s latest has a kernel of truth many Republicans have latched on to. Several news organizations, including The New York Times, have reported that an F.B.I. informant contacted Trump campaign aides who evidence suggested had had suspicious contacts with Russians in 2016 as part of a counterintelligence investigation into possible efforts by Moscow to meddle in the election.

In Mr. Trump’s telling, however, the informant was a spy sent by Mr. Obama and a cabal inside his Justice Department and the intelligence community who were bent on stopping his candidacy.
Former aides to the president, speaking privately because they did not want to embarrass him, said paranoia predisposed him to believe in nefarious, hidden forces driving events. But they also said political opportunism informed his promotion of conspiracy theories. For instance, two former aides said Mr. Trump had resisted using the term “deep state” for months, partly because he believed it made him look too much like a crank.


But Mr. Trump saw that it played well in the conservative news media, and so in November, he began using it, the two aides said. The strategy appears to have yielded results. Several polls have shown a dip in public approval of the special counsel investigation over the past several months, as the president has repeatedly attacked it. And a Monmouth Poll released in March found that a bipartisan majority believes an unelected “deep state” is manipulating national policy.


Sam Nunberg, a former Trump aide who worked for him when he began championing false claims about Mr. Obama’s birthplace, said the president was reflecting the media that fueled his core supporters.
“In the new media landscape, InfoWars and Fox News are where the president’s getting his support, and these theories are promulgated there,” said Mr. Nunberg, who disputed that “Spygate” qualified as a conspiracy theory.

Mr. Trump’s talk of conspiracies has also gained currency within a Republican Party establishment that once shunned it.
During the 2016 campaign, Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, denounced Mr. Trump’s talk of the government hiding the real story about Sept. 11. “That’s something that really only comes from the kook part of America,” Mr. Graham said at the time.
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Old 05-29-18, 06:28 PM
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I suppose you guys believe these conspiracy's Trump has perpetuated over the years as well including his ridiculous ones now? Of course you do , because Donny knows what his peeps will believe, which is Whatever he says. lol
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Old 05-29-18, 06:36 PM
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Mr. Graham said he had also been highly skeptical when Mr. Trump insisted last year that Mr. Obama had tapped his phones in Trump Tower, a stunning assertion for which he offered no proof.
“I thought, ‘Well, that doesn’t seem right to me,’” Mr. Graham said last week. But, he noted, it was later revealed that one of Mr. Trump’s former campaign associates, Carter Page, had in fact been under surveillance. And on “Spygate,” the senator added, “There seems to be something to this one. I want to find out: Did it happen? Is there a good reason?”
Senator John Cornyn, Republican of Texas, distanced himself from the president’s sinister language, but not necessarily the questions he had raised about the informant. “I wouldn’t describe it the way he described it,” Mr. Cornyn said. “Confidential informant? Spy? I guess he can use his own words.”
Then, like many lawmakers who once denounced the president’s assaults on law enforcement agencies, Mr. Cornyn gave the president a level of validation, saying it was worth knowing what the F.B.I.’s “motivation” was in the inquiry into the Trump campaign.
Mr. Trump is not the first public figure to charge that he is the subject of a shadowy plot. Mrs. Clinton memorably declared during impeachment proceedings against her husband, Bill Clinton, that they were the victims of a “vast, right-wing conspiracy,” although the president himself never used the word at the time.
Mr. Meacham pointed to an 1866 speech at a tumultuous moment of post-Civil War Reconstruction, in which President Andrew Johnson said that his political enemies were plotting to assassinate him.

President Richard M. Nixon believed that an elitist cabal led by Ivy League-educated denizens of Georgetown and Washington Post journalists was working secretly to bring him down. Both presidents, Mr. Meacham noted, were self-made men who harbored deep insecurities, not unlike the current Oval Office occupant.

Erick Erickson, the founder of the conservative website RedState, who once described Mr. Trump as a “walking, talking National Enquirer,” said the president’s invented stories also speak to the public’s desire to have an easy explanation for events it cannot control.


“A lot of people really want to believe a conspiracy because it’s a lot easier to think a malevolent force is in charge than that our government is run by idiots,” Mr. Erickson said in an interview.
Representative Peter T. King, a New York Republican who is sometimes a critic of Mr. Trump, said one need not believe in conspiracies to recognize that the president was onto something with his seemingly far-fetched charges.
“I do believe that people like Clapper, to some extent Comey, they had this bias against him,” Mr. King said, naming James R. Clapper Jr., the former director of national intelligence, and James B. Comey, the former F.B.I. director, both viewed by Mr. Trump as enemies bent on his destruction. “I don’t think it’s a grand conspiracy. I just think they were living in an echo chamber and believed the worst.”
But even as he took issue with the president’s framing, Mr. King marveled at how the president has bent the discourse to his own views, transforming the term “deep state” into “almost a metaphor for a group in society that doesn’t understand real people, forgotten people, and are willing to use their power to stop Trump.”
“He has a talent for getting a point across using hyperbole,” Mr. King said, adding, “There’s no doubt he has changed the debate.”
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I suppose you guys believe these conspiracy's Trump has perpetuated over the years as well including his ridiculous ones now? Of course you do , because Donny knows what his peeps will believe, which is Whatever he says. lol
Absolutely.

I'm more convinced of President Trump's divinity every day.

People like you aren't long for this world, and we'll have a big time as we crush you. In the end, you'll still be a stain...and we'll be standing over you with a grin.

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