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Old 05-18-18, 03:12 PM
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That's because anti-gun laws would not have prevented a single one of these attacks. We need to punish criminals and hold them accountable for their deeds.
I want to know the exact % of shootings done with legally purchased and registered weapons. Iíd venture to say itís a very small amount.
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Old 05-18-18, 03:26 PM
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Ahh yes, the old tired and true "nothing can prevent all fill in the blank" argument.

Couldn't we say that about anything? Why build a border wall? Why try to ban abortion? Drugs? How about stops signs and speed limits? Those don't work either.
What prevents you from running a stop sign?
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Old 05-18-18, 03:36 PM
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I think heís partially right. Being a single parent has become normalized, and itís too much to ask of any one person to keep the bills paid, put food on the table and raise kids. It can be done, but itís a Herculean task. I would say, we need to stop pushing marriage and kids as a social goal, not everyoneís equipped to be monogamous or raise kids. Itís bettef they donít procreate, get divorced, and leave society to deal with their angry, weirdo kid.
Not disagreeing, just pointing out that 14Red easily could have done a Google search to find out that not all gunmen have the same background. "Godless" is just a buzzword always thrown out there by morons who are looking for simple answers.
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Old 05-18-18, 04:16 PM
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Bad parenting, media coverage, and poor mental healthcare are probably the biggest factors.

What isn't? Guns.
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Old 05-18-18, 04:27 PM
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ďNothing can prevent this!Ē We are the ONLY place this happens. There is a problem. Children are being slaughtered at school and we do NOTHING about it.
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Old 05-18-18, 04:39 PM
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What is the suggestion? Melt down all guns? We'd have to make exceptions for police, or theirs too? If we don't do all this things could still happen. Would they switch to bombs anyway? Not sure. Mental health seems like bigger issue, but efforts to fix Crazy have always met with mixed results.
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Old 05-18-18, 04:49 PM
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Guns are not the problem it is OUR society to blame.
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Old 05-18-18, 04:52 PM
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ďNothing can prevent this!Ē We are the ONLY place this happens. There is a problem. Children are being slaughtered at school and we do NOTHING about it.
Not so fast and furious there BJF we are not the only ones and there are many countries with much stricter gun laws that have higher murder by gun rates.

We are much safer with guns than without. Especially when you consider what often happens to the people when the guns get taken away.

Also if you take away the obvious government sponsored shootings you take care of much of the problem.
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Old 05-18-18, 04:53 PM
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Also if you take away the obvious government sponsored shootings you take care of much of the problem.
explain yourself
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Old 05-18-18, 05:13 PM
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Seems like personal accountabilty is lacking. If you own an AR-15 and your child has free access....you should be accountable.
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Old 05-18-18, 05:14 PM
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Harris, Klebold, Lanza, and Cho all had pretty good home lives. None of them are known to have been abused or neglected. Cruz was adopted but both of his adopted parents died of health issues. If bad home lives and single parents were the issue, you'd expect a way higher % of school shooters to be black(no racist.)

The reality is, school shootings are so incredibly rare in the grand scheme of things I think any attempts to find a pattern are pretty useless. A sample size of a couple kids a year isn't going to give you any worthwhile trends.

But the sample sizes are also small enough that you can basically build whatever narrative you want to fit your agenda. Single parents. Too many guns. Political affiliations. Music they listened to. Etc.

As has been mentioned, far more kids die every day due to preventable things than will die in the next decade in school shootings. At some point, there has to be an acceptable level of risk to certain activities. I'd say the chance of your kid dying in a school shooting certainly falls below that threshold personally, and if a parent disagrees, that's fine, but you sure as hell shouldn't be letting them drive if that's your standard.
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Old 05-18-18, 05:22 PM
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I agree. Like terrorism, school shootings are way overblown. Both are blatant fearmongering.

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Old 05-18-18, 05:33 PM
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Please don't ask him to do that
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Old 05-18-18, 05:57 PM
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Seems like personal accountabilty is lacking. If you own an AR-15 and your child has free access....you should be accountable.
I think it was a shotgun and 38 revolver in the shooting today. But nice try inserting the "scary" AR-15 into the discussion.
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Old 05-18-18, 05:58 PM
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ďWe are with you! Weíre praying*!Ē


* as we continue to vote down stricter gun laws and line our pockets with money from the NRA
Who lined their pockets with NRA money? And how much?
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Old 05-18-18, 06:00 PM
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Seems like personal accountabilty is lacking. If you own an AR-15 and your child has free access....you should be accountable.
What if your child has one and the parents have free access?
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Old 05-18-18, 06:02 PM
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ďNothing can prevent this!Ē We are the ONLY place this happens. There is a problem. Children are being slaughtered at school and we do NOTHING about it.
We can do something about it, but you pansies don't want teachers arming themselves. This is on you guys. Thanks puzzles.
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Old 05-18-18, 07:21 PM
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Please don't ask him to do that
oh. my bad.
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Old 05-18-18, 08:00 PM
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I agree. Like terrorism, school shootings are way overblown. Both are blatant fearmongering.
Overblown in what way ?
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Old 05-18-18, 08:23 PM
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Overblown in what way ?
"Here’s the thing: It’s really not all that comforting to think about, but the reality is that all manner of horrible things are more likely — in many cases, substantially more likely — to befall kids than being shot in school. Car accidents, bike accidents, and drowning are among the preventable causes of death much more likely to claim a child than a shooting in school. Cancer is a far greater killer. Suicide, a silent crisis that is now the second leading cause of death for teens, claims thousands of young lives each year, especially among vulnerable populations such as gay or transgender students.

To give an idea of how rare school shootings are in a country with more than 55 million school-age children, consider that girls are much more likely to be child brides than be shot in school. When did you last worry about that, let alone protest the arcane laws that allow it? The Pew survey, though, found that more than 1 in 4 teen girls are very worried about a shooting at their school (an additional 35 percent said they were somewhat worried)."

https://www.the74million.org/article...ns-in-society/
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Old 05-18-18, 09:06 PM
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USA Today has determined that the weapons used at Santa Fe HS were "less lethal" than in other shootings ...... say what??

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ves/623202002/
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Old 05-18-18, 09:18 PM
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Let's take 1950 (post WW2-ish) as an arbitrary date of what I will refer to as modern American history. Over the years we've had people...including children, guns, alcohol, drugs, stress, schools...among other things. So what's changed over that time that led to the increase in mass murders, school shootings, etc., over the past several decades? There are many factors at play, I'm sure, but what...especially...has sparked this relatively new (pretty much since the 1990's) school shooting phenomenon?
Violent video games
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Old 05-18-18, 09:25 PM
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This interview with the Madison High school (Southwest Ohio) shooter is a must read “I didn’t feel wanted”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cin.../amp/360102002
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Old 05-18-18, 09:29 PM
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Violent video games
I suspect the opposite: video games actual decrease the likelihood of violence.
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Old 05-18-18, 09:35 PM
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It is a debate without answers, unfortunately. Many factors I suspect- question was what was a new “factor” since the 1990s- the violent video games definitely came fully on the scene about that time. Cruz (stonington shooter) spent 15 hours a day playing violent video games- cause or effect of his mental state? Who knows, but irresponsible to ignore.
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Old 05-18-18, 09:53 PM
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The studies done on it have found no evidence of increased aggressiveness after playing violent video games.
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Old 05-18-18, 10:03 PM
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The studies done on it have found no evidence of increased aggressiveness after playing violent video games.
The studies have been contradicted by other studies also- common sense would say it has to be considered. I would give my life if it would ensure that my kids never had to even hear about a school shooting let alone be a victim. I wish with all that I am that banning all guns would do this because that is something which seems better than nothing - I donít believe it would. It is so much more than the weapon- itís mental health, itís a loss of a sense of community, itís not caring about one another, its medication and drug abuse, itís being desensitized to violence, itís being bullied 24 hours a day thanks to social media, itís the breakdown of family- itís so many things. We have truly lost our way and I am heartbroken for my children and all of yours.
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I haven't seen any studies that contradict that.

Thankfully, we don't rely on "common sense" to make laws.
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Old 05-18-18, 10:46 PM
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I haven't seen any studies that contradict that.

Thankfully, we don't rely on "common sense" to make laws.
Clearly we donít, I am less ďthankfulĒ.
American Association of Pediatricians commissioned a study that showed a link between violent video games and aggression, for one...
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Old 05-18-18, 11:17 PM
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Violent video games
Japan consumes much more violent video games than we do. Why dont they have this problem?
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