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Old 05-18-18, 11:08 AM
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At least 10 killed in shooting at Texas' Santa Fe High School

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At least eight people -- and as many as 10 -- have died as a result of a shooting Friday morning at a high school in the southeastern Texas city of Santa Fe, Harris County Sheriff Ed Gonzalez said.

This is the third school shooting in eight days, and the 22nd since the beginning of the year in the United States.

A male suspect, believed to be a student, has been arrested in the shooting at Santa Fe High School, about 20 miles outside Galveston, Gonzalez said.
A second person -- also believed to be a student -- has been detained as well, Gonzalez said.

Most of the dead are students, the sheriff said.
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Old 05-18-18, 11:11 AM
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Thoughts and prayers.
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Old 05-18-18, 11:13 AM
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Thoughts and prayers.
That's funny, in the other thread you already laid it at Trump's feet
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Old 05-18-18, 11:44 AM
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say it's a disgruntled student or former student but guns get blamed.
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Old 05-18-18, 11:47 AM
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Waiting to hear from David Hogg before forming any opinions.
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Old 05-18-18, 12:22 PM
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At least David Hogg stands up for the students. What other person does that
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Old 05-18-18, 12:31 PM
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At least David Hogg stands up for the students. What other person does that
The other students, parents, anyone who is anti-gun......
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Old 05-18-18, 12:31 PM
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Let's take 1950 (post WW2-ish) as an arbitrary date of what I will refer to as modern American history. Over the years we've had people...including children, guns, alcohol, drugs, stress, schools...among other things. So what's changed over that time that led to the increase in mass murders, school shootings, etc., over the past several decades? There are many factors at play, I'm sure, but what...especially...has sparked this relatively new (pretty much since the 1990's) school shooting phenomenon?
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Old 05-18-18, 12:53 PM
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Let's take 1950 (post WW2-ish) as an arbitrary date of what I will refer to as modern American history. Over the years we've had people...including children, guns, alcohol, drugs, stress, schools...among other things. So what's changed over that time that led to the increase in mass murders, school shootings, etc., over the past several decades? There are many factors at play, I'm sure, but what...especially...has sparked this relatively new (pretty much since the 1990's) school shooting phenomenon?
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Old 05-18-18, 12:59 PM
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Let's take 1950 (post WW2-ish) as an arbitrary date of what I will refer to as modern American history. Over the years we've had people...including children, guns, alcohol, drugs, stress, schools...among other things. So what's changed over that time that led to the increase in mass murders, school shootings, etc., over the past several decades? There are many factors at play, I'm sure, but what...especially...has sparked this relatively new (pretty much since the 1990's) school shooting phenomenon?
I have heard from at least two sources that we have fewer school shootings today than in decades past. Just seems like there are more due to media reporting on them today vs going undisclosed years ago.
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Old 05-18-18, 01:03 PM
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I have heard from at least two sources that we have fewer school shootings today than in decades past. Just seems like there are more due to media reporting on them today vs going undisclosed years ago.
Studies have shown that the media's coverage actually perpetuates these shootings to a certain extent.
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Old 05-18-18, 01:04 PM
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I have heard from at least two sources that we have fewer school shootings today than in decades past. Just seems like there are more due to media reporting on them today vs going undisclosed years ago.
Which decades? Not many mass school shootings in the 1950’s-1980’s. A notable one I recall were the shootings at the U of Texas in the late 1960’s.
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Old 05-18-18, 01:20 PM
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Let's take 1950 (post WW2-ish) as an arbitrary date of what I will refer to as modern American history. Over the years we've had people...including children, guns, alcohol, drugs, stress, schools...among other things. So what's changed over that time that led to the increase in mass murders, school shootings, etc., over the past several decades? There are many factors at play, I'm sure, but what...especially...has sparked this relatively new (pretty much since the 1990's) school shooting phenomenon?
simple, breakdown of the family.

I have no yet seen a kid who's shot up a school, or did anything nutty come from a good, two parent, married family who have God in their lives. Guys we can't just keep blaming everything else on these incidents.

We know, just by reports afterwards, that these kids come from either single parent homes, or split homes, or have some mental issues, or get picked on and can't cope with it because they feel trapped and feel they need to lash out.

At some point, we can just put bans on things or try to fix the problem from the outside. The problem can be fixed from the inside. Teachers know, principals know, coaches know who their high risk kids are. They know who they see on a daily basis has a horrible home life, or has no one that cares about them.
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Old 05-18-18, 01:24 PM
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That's funny, in the other thread you already laid it at Trump's feet
Flew over your head didn't it?

Of course he offered thoughts and prayers...before turning to the size of his electoral victory and No Collusion!
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Old 05-18-18, 01:36 PM
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“We are with you! We’re praying*!”


* as we continue to vote down stricter gun laws and line our pockets with money from the NRA
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Old 05-18-18, 01:39 PM
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At least David Hogg stands up for the students. What other person does that
I think just about 100% of all Americans stand up for the students.
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Old 05-18-18, 01:47 PM
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Studies have shown that the media's coverage actually perpetuates these shootings to a certain extent.
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A. We make them famous. The Boston Bomber was on the cover of the Rolling Stone like some kind of rock star.
B. We report every gory detail about how it went down. The Parkland shooter was the first one I recall that pulled the fire alarm to get people out of the building. Early reports I saw today said this shooter used the same tactic. We're just giving future killers ideas and inspiring them to perfect them.
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Old 05-18-18, 01:58 PM
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“We are with you! We’re praying*!”


* as we continue to vote down stricter gun laws and line our pockets with money from the NRA
So was Bammie in bed with the NRA during Sandy Hook or Aurora?
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Old 05-18-18, 01:59 PM
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Flew over your head didn't it?

Of course he offered thoughts and prayers...before turning to the size of his electoral victory and No Collusion!
Yep, that's what happened
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Old 05-18-18, 02:04 PM
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“We are with you! We’re praying*!”


* as we continue to vote down stricter gun laws and line our pockets with money from the NRA
How about trying to crackdown harder on the sale of illegal weapons first? The majority of crimes/killings are committed with illegal/unregistered weapons. How about the mass murders in Chicago? You think all of the gang bangers obtained their guns legally?
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Old 05-18-18, 02:05 PM
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* as we continue to vote down stricter gun laws and line our pockets with money from the NRA
Gun laws don't keep guns away from criminals. Not sure why this is tough to understand.
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Old 05-18-18, 02:09 PM
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I have no yet seen a kid who's shot up a school, or did anything nutty come from a good, two parent, married family who have God in their lives. Guys we can't just keep blaming everything else on these incidents.
Were you not around for Columbine? Although it wasn't a kid, it was two.
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Old 05-18-18, 02:15 PM
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At least David Hogg stands up for the students. What other person does that
David Hogg's a media whore, not the same as someone that is actually doing anything.
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Old 05-18-18, 02:17 PM
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Were you not around for Columbine? Although it wasn't a kid, it was two.
Why do have to always be such a crap bag?
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Old 05-18-18, 02:17 PM
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* as we continue to vote down stricter gun laws and line our pockets with money from the NRA
That's because anti-gun laws would not have prevented a single one of these attacks. We need to punish criminals and hold them accountable for their deeds.
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Old 05-18-18, 02:32 PM
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Ahh yes, the old tired and true "nothing can prevent all fill in the blank" argument.

Couldn't we say that about anything? Why build a border wall? Why try to ban abortion? Drugs? How about stops signs and speed limits? Those don't work either.
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Old 05-18-18, 02:41 PM
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Ahh yes, the old tired and true "nothing can prevent all fill in the blank" argument.

Couldn't we say that about anything? Why build a border wall? Why try to ban abortion? Drugs? How about stops signs and speed limits? Those don't work either.
You're right, we can build a garden of Eden if we would just pass more laws
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Old 05-18-18, 02:41 PM
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Ahh yes, the old tired and true "nothing can prevent all fill in the blank" argument.

Couldn't we say that about anything? Why build a border wall? Why try to ban abortion? Drugs? How about stops signs and speed limits? Those don't work either.
The border wall would actually stop several hundred thousand criminals from entering the country every year. It would also mean that we could reduce the manpower at the border.

Let's go back to a previous argument you've made, we shouldn't ask for papers because that's not "American"...…. but you think we SHOULD ban firearms because.... why? You want to protect one "right" from weakening that would benefit all citizens, but are willing to give another one up for no gain for the vast majority of people.

You are worried about appearing like Nazis for one issue to a few people (who actually happen to be criminals), but for the other you want Americans to give up their rights to defend themselves against criminals and possibly over-reach by their government...….
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Old 05-18-18, 02:42 PM
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Ahh yes, the old tired and true "nothing can prevent all fill in the blank" argument.

Couldn't we say that about anything? Why build a border wall? Why try to ban abortion? Drugs? How about stops signs and speed limits? Those don't work either.
I don't think that is the real argument.

The real argument is will getting rid of guns make the United States a better place to live? Some people say yes and others say no.

While the shooting at this HS is a tragedy, the odds are pretty good that more American HS kids will lose their life today in a car accident than will die from this school shooting. Most are in agreement that driving privileges should remain for 16 to 18 years old but that comes at the cost of knowing that HS kids will die everyday.
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Were you not around for Columbine? Although it wasn't a kid, it was two.
I think he’s partially right. Being a single parent has become normalized, and it’s too much to ask of any one person to keep the bills paid, put food on the table and raise kids. It can be done, but it’s a Herculean task. I would say, we need to stop pushing marriage and kids as a social goal, not everyone’s equipped to be monogamous or raise kids. It’s bettef they don’t procreate, get divorced, and leave society to deal with their angry, weirdo kid.
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