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Old 02-15-17, 11:26 PM
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Best youth club coaches in the area

Let's open an honest discussion about who are the best coaches in the area at developing players.
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Old 02-16-17, 12:20 PM
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YEAH! Harmless enough
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Old 02-16-17, 01:42 PM
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I thought the way OE did their college info this year was pretty neat. It indicated years at OE, other clubs, let the players give shout outs to past coaches, etc.

http://www.ohioelite.com/home/930644.html
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Old 02-17-17, 11:19 AM
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I'd put Janelle Fritschie, formerly of CUSA, now with DPA and NWA up there with anybody in terms of technical development for the ages U10-U14. For a small club (CUSA) she developed a lot of girls who went to National League and ECNL rosters, and several girls who went on to college (Really have no clue what level, that was before our time).

I know there can be a lot of OE vs CUP vitriol on here but what Doug Bracken and Tim Lesiak do with the girls at OE has been impressive.
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Old 02-17-17, 12:05 PM
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I thought the way OE did their college info this year was pretty neat. It indicated years at OE, other clubs, let the players give shout outs to past coaches, etc.

http://www.ohioelite.com/home/930644.html
Completely agree.
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Old 02-17-17, 12:21 PM
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There are good coaches at a lot of the clubs in Cincinnati specifically. I would put these clubs near the top of the list when it comes to "Development Focus":

OE - Love them or hate them, they focus on development
WCSA - A few great coaches at this club, and a few not so great. Girls side better than boys from a coaching standpoint
Alliance - A few really good coaches here, depending on age and gender
CUP - This is VERY hit or miss. Definitely some top notch coaches, but also some very average coaches that have very talented kids (ie. they win despite the coaching, but aren't being "developed") on both boys and girls side.
KHA - Same thing - Depends on gender and age. Some that are great, but others that aren't so good.
TFA - Still a couple of very good trainers at TFA
FOSC - Same as TFA

Beyond that, it goes from average to really bad in a hurry. There are a ton of small clubs that frankly are really just rec teams that pay a lot of money to wear nice uniforms and play with the same group of friends every season. There are some good coaches sprinkled in at the smaller/niche clubs, but a whole lot of bad ones too.
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Old 02-17-17, 01:08 PM
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In order

Lesiak, Bracken, Fisher, Tiff Roberts, Sievering.

The above posts assessment of CUP is spot on. 2 CUP Coaches in particular are way overrated simply because of W-L record. I believe Fisher is way under utilized at CUP. He's fantastic. Really an amazing coach.
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Old 02-17-17, 01:28 PM
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In order

Lesiak, Bracken, Fisher, Tiff Roberts, Sievering.

The above posts assessment of CUP is spot on. 2 CUP Coaches in particular are way overrated simply because of W-L record. I believe Fisher is way under utilized at CUP. He's fantastic. Really an amazing coach.
I tried to avoid naming names (good or bad) as it seems to bring out the worst in this crowd, and I am not trying to disparage anyone. I agree on Kurt being a great coach/trainer. Missing quite a few good coaches though, if that is your full list. If that is your top 5, who else cracks your top 10 and why?
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Old 02-17-17, 01:56 PM
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I know names will bring out the haters, but those to me from what I've seen are the top. I think we have a great pool of coaching talent in the area. But if someone asked me (and they do) who the best coaches around are, those 5 are on the top of my list. I'll refrain from naming the low quality or over rated ones. I really think you would have to be a short sighted jack a** not to recognize the 5 I listed as exceptionally high caliber trainers/coaches maybe not everyone's top 5 but to dismiss their quality would be suspect.

But clearly that's just my opinion. Though I really try and stay objective.
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Old 02-17-17, 01:59 PM
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Best youth club coaches in the area

I think it all depends on your own personal experience. I think some of the top coaches at CUP have done an awesome job developing players. Look at the whole U15 Gold team this year. BP has had them for most of their lives and that team has had 4 National Team players on it. Have to give him some credit. I think if you talk to the girls they also each have their own opinion about what is good and what is not and a lot of it is what they are used to. Most of the girls coming up through the CUP program now at the U13 and above are really good all around developed players. I don't know that much about OE but don't see how you can say they develop players. Those coaches you list get the kids at the oldest ages and then it is mostly refining their skills and learning the game better. Most of the developing occurs between 8-14.
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Old 02-17-17, 02:13 PM
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I think it all depends on your own personal experience. I think some of the top coaches at CUP have done an awesome job developing players. Look at the whole U15 Gold team this year. BP has had them for most of their lives and that team has had 4 National Team players on it. Have to give him some credit. I think if you talk to the girls they also each have their own opinion about what is good and what is not and a lot of it is what they are used to. Most of the girls coming up through the CUP program now at the U13 and above are really good all around developed players. I don't know that much about OE but don't see how you can say they develop players. Those coaches you list get the kids at the oldest ages and then it is mostly refining their skills and learning the game better. Most of the developing occurs between 8-14.
Well, remember, I didn't name names...

Those coaches aren't the only ones at OE. They have others, they have a solid curriculum for their youth teams, so I do think they develop players. Also, development doesn't stop at 14 (or start at 8), so the ones ECup mentioned are very good at developing talent from 15-19 and I agree they are good coaches. I would put Bobby P on my list of top coaches, and he clearly has other talents he uses to bring talent to their club. Some of those around him, not so much. For me, as a parent, I want my coach to have my kids best interests in mind in every decision they make. If they make decisions based on what is best for the "team" first, players second, then I question their commitment to development of players. That might mean that they should be on a lower team, or maybe move to another club. A quality coach is willing to give that advice for the betterment of a player and their future.
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Old 02-17-17, 04:38 PM
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I think it all depends on your own personal experience. I think some of the top coaches at CUP have done an awesome job developing players. Look at the whole U15 Gold team this year. BP has had them for most of their lives and that team has had 4 National Team players on it. Have to give him some credit. I think if you talk to the girls they also each have their own opinion about what is good and what is not and a lot of it is what they are used to. Most of the girls coming up through the CUP program now at the U13 and above are really good all around developed players. I don't know that much about OE but don't see how you can say they develop players. Those coaches you list get the kids at the oldest ages and then it is mostly refining their skills and learning the game better. Most of the developing occurs between 8-14.
Don't want to disparage any coaches at CUP. I know 3 girls on the 01 team that are former CUSA girls. I know most of the girls from OE 2001 ECNL originated from other clubs.

I don't think I can credit or discredit Bracken or Lesiak for the development of the girls from 8-14 (DOn't know what ages they coach), but the development I've seen in the girls I know from the beginning of the year are pretty impressive.

As far as development from ages 8-14, I think you big club guys are blowing smoke out your @$$es. There are lots of great coaches at smaller clubs that don't get recognized. Take a poll of any National League or ECNL team and I bet more played U12 and under at another club.
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Old 02-17-17, 05:07 PM
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I have been around a long time. I have seen a lot of coaches, good and bad. Just telling you what my experience has been. There are good coaches in some smaller clubs, but not many.
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Old 02-18-17, 09:12 AM
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I think it all depends on your own personal experience. I think some of the top coaches at CUP have done an awesome job developing players. Look at the whole U15 Gold team this year. BP has had them for most of their lives and that team has had 4 National Team players on it. Have to give him some credit. I think if you talk to the girls they also each have their own opinion about what is good and what is not and a lot of it is what they are used to. Most of the girls coming up through the CUP program now at the U13 and above are really good all around developed players. I don't know that much about OE but don't see how you can say they develop players. Those coaches you list get the kids at the oldest ages and then it is mostly refining their skills and learning the game better. Most of the developing occurs between 8-14.
CUP has an instant advantage because we have the largest talent pool to pull players from. I've always been impressed with what OE can do with so few teams, at the younger ages. At the old U12 and below, it has been 8-12+ teams at CU, the same at Hammer and usually just 2, sometimes just 1 at OE. Numbers alone say they are going to have to add more kids from other clubs as they get older to stay competitive. Chances of getting 14-18 high caliber kids out of a pool of 20-25 is pretty low. They keep the top kids they have developed on the ECNL and add better players from around the city or neighboring states.

As for what those older age coaches have done, if you don't think they are making drastic improvements to already solid players at U14 and up,you're not paying attention. There is a reason at ID camps coaches tell girls if they are not on one, to find an ECNL team to hone their skill. Same reason Rossi left her club up North and is playing for an ECNL team her last year of Club. Direct Coaching, and playing against the best coached.
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