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Old 01-28-17, 11:38 PM
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Cincy D-1 Sectional Records--Draw on 2/12

As of 1/28/17:

# of wins for the 31 D1 teams in the Cincinnati Sectional--Draw on February 12th seeding teams 1 thru 31 to fill 5 sectional brackets:

17--Moeller
16--
15--
14-- Amelia, LaSalle
13- Mason, Oak Hills
12-- Edgewood
11-- Lakota East, Northwest
10-- Little Miami, Walnut Hills, Withrow
9-- Wilmington, Loveland, Princeton, Glen Este
8-- Kings, Hamilton

7-- Fairfield, Elder, St. Xavier
6-- Anderson, Middletown
5-- Milford, Sycamore, Turpin
4-- Lakota West, Western Hills,
3-- Talawanda, Colerain, Harrison
2-- Winton Woods

Who are the top 5 seeds with two weeks before the draw?
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Old 01-29-17, 08:01 AM
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Moe, LaSalle, Mason, OaK Hills, East

I would imagine the GMC would vote their trio in some order above LaSalle so maybe Mason or the Highlanders sneak in behind Moe. Two weeks to go and I believe LaSalle and Moeller play each other again during that time.

What the heck has happened at Winton Woods? Did not know they were struggling like that. Also bodes well for the Clermont Co. school as it appears both Amelia and Glen Este are having nice seasons.
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Old 01-29-17, 09:04 AM
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Where Moeller goes will be very interesting. If they go into one of the sectionals that plays another Cincy Sectional in the district they could affect 2 sectionals assuming everyone runs away from them. Is that a sound strategy or do they go into sectional against Dayton and make their path really light and give other good teams in Cincy more room to run?
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Old 01-29-17, 09:58 AM
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Where Moeller goes will be very interesting. If they go into one of the sectionals that plays another Cincy Sectional in the district they could affect 2 sectionals assuming everyone runs away from them. Is that a sound strategy or do they go into sectional against Dayton and make their path really light and give other good teams in Cincy more room to run?
Why would their path be really light in a Dayton sectional? Dayton is stronger than Cincinnati. Regardless of where moeller goes they aren't going to see decent competition until at least the district final. No reason for them to overthink anything.

Micketty has the "actual" rankings right, but if it's coaches voting Mason will move to the 2 seed based on GMC votes, plus Flemming being out for so long.

Personally I'm still not a fan of this choosing of where you place yourself. I think you should be placed based on your seed, period. I also think the state playoff should be expanded to 16 teams (the final 4 or district champs from each region), but I know that ain't happening either. I'd also like to see true district placements. Where each district has the same set of teams in it each year (with 1 or 2 moving around for balance from time to time).
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Old 01-29-17, 12:18 PM
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Here are the D-1 District Match-ups for March 11th--only one of the 4 games has a Cincy vs. Cincy District match-up (Cincy 1 at Lakota West vs. Cincy 4 at Hamilton)--I could see Moeller at #1 seed going into that Cincy 1 or 4 bracket and then watch the other top seeds go into Cincy 2,3, and 5--which forces those teams to play a Dayton team at the District game--Moeller has beaten Centerville by 6 and Springfield by 3 who are likely teams to have a shot of being teams coming out of Dayton this year.

http://www.swdab.org/Boys%20Basketball/bbb_dis_i.htm
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Old 01-29-17, 12:35 PM
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Here are the D-1 District Match-ups for March 11th--only one of the 4 games has a Cincy vs. Cincy District match-up (Cincy 1 at Lakota West vs. Cincy 4 at Hamilton)--I could see Moeller at #1 seed going into that Cincy 1 or 4 bracket and then watch the other top seeds go into Cincy 2,3, and 5--which forces those teams to play a Dayton team at the District game--Moeller has beaten Centerville by 6 and Springfield by 3 who are likely teams to have a shot of being teams coming out of Dayton this year.

http://www.swdab.org/Boys%20Basketball/bbb_dis_i.htm
Maybe East will do what they did last year again. Instead of running away from the top team (Wayne last year) like everyone else, they instead jump in with the top team and take their chances on having to beat them for a district title. Makes for an arguably easier path to districts, but obviously you then have to beat the monster on top to advance.
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Old 02-01-17, 09:54 AM
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As of 2/1/17:

# of wins for the 31 D1 teams in the Cincinnati Sectional--Draw on February 12th

17-- Moeller (17-0)
16--
15-- LaSalle (15-2)
14-- Amelia (14-2), Oak Hills (14-3)
13- Mason (13-2)
12-- Edgewood (12-5), Lakota East (12-5), Northwest (12-4)
11--
10-- Little Miami (10-8), Walnut Hills (10-6), Withrow (10-7), Princeton (10-7)
9-- Wilmington (9-7), Loveland (9-8), Glen Este (9-8), Hamilton (9-7)

8-- Kings (8-8), Fairfield (8-9), Elder (8-8)
7-- Anderson (7-9), St. Xavier (7-9)
6-- Middletown (6-11), Turpin (6-11)
5-- Milford (5-12), Sycamore (5-12), Western Hills (5-11)
4-- Lakota West (4-12)
3-- Talawanda (3-14), Colerain (3-14), Harrison (3-13)
2-- Winton Woods (2-15)
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Old 02-01-17, 02:17 PM
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Mason losing solidly moves Lasalle into the #2 spot.
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Old 02-01-17, 03:48 PM
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Mason losing solidly moves Lasalle into the #2 spot.
Why? Lasalle has played the softest D1 schedule in the city. They will finish second in a terrible GCL South league this year. The GCL South has Moeller and that's it.
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Old 02-01-17, 03:50 PM
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Why? Lasalle has played the softest D1 schedule in the city. They will finish second in a terrible GCL South league this year. The GCL South has Moeller and that's it.
And who should be at 2 instead of them?
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Old 02-01-17, 03:55 PM
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The GMC coaches will still vote a GMC school second. It will still be OH or Mason unless either of them lose a few in a row. LaSalle went to OT last night against McNick and the Lancers square off against Moe on Friday.
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Old 02-01-17, 04:00 PM
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Mason losing solidly moves Lasalle into the #2 spot.
LaSalle will probably be #2 with that overtime win last night over Division 2 McNicholas (9-8, 1-5 in the GCL) while Mason played without Puisis vs. Princeton. If Mason could've won for the second time this season playing without Puisis they'd likely still be in the hunt for #2.

At this point I don't see much difference between spots 2 and 3--who gets seeded 4 and 5 will have interesting decisions where to go on the bracket.
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Old 02-01-17, 05:11 PM
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LaSalle will probably be #2 with that overtime win last night over Division 2 McNicholas (9-8, 1-5 in the GCL) while Mason played without Puisis vs. Princeton. If Mason could've won for the second time this season playing without Puisis they'd likely still be in the hunt for #2.

At this point I don't see much difference between spots 2 and 3--who gets seeded 4 and 5 will have interesting decisions where to go on the bracket.
So hold on. Oak Hills, that leads your team in the league and split the season series with them as well, is not only not in question for you as a lower team than your team, but it's clouded in your mind if they are better than other teams as well? Very interesting. Man, your Mason blinders are freakin huge.
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Old 02-01-17, 05:36 PM
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So hold on. Oak Hills, that leads your team in the league and split the season series with them as well, is not only not in question for you as a lower team than your team, but it's clouded in your mind if they are better than other teams as well? Very interesting. Man, your Mason blinders are freakin huge.
Didn't say that Philly--please read closely--I said LaSalle is likely #2 and I don't see much diffeence betwen 2 and 3--never said Mason was #3--you assumed that and you know what happens when you assume? Bballjim questioned you on LaSalle ahead of Mason. I said whoever gets 4 and 5 will be interesting. Man you have some serious butt-hurt about Mason.
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Old 02-01-17, 07:39 PM
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Didn't say that Philly--please read closely--I said LaSalle is likely #2 and I don't see much diffeence betwen 2 and 3--never said Mason was #3--you assumed that and you know what happens when you assume? Bballjim questioned you on LaSalle ahead of Mason. I said whoever gets 4 and 5 will be interesting. Man you have some serious butt-hurt about Mason.
Then oh please explain away. Who do YOU have at 3 that YOU said is basically the same as 2, which YOU said is Lasalle?
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Old 02-01-17, 08:00 PM
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Pretty obviously it will be either Oak Hills (14 wins), Mason (13 wins) or East (12 wins)--and how those teams do Friday and next Tuesday--the winner of Mason at East on Tuesday will likely say alot about how the voting goes beginning Wednesday.

In essence the #2 and #3 seeds will be able to select wide-open sectional brackets--the #4 and #5 seeds will have to decide to play a Dayton team in the District or go in a sectional that will face Moeller in the District level game--that is why being the #4 or #5 seed will be interesting.

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Old 02-01-17, 08:09 PM
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Pretty obviously it will be either Oak Hills (13 wins), Mason (13 wins) or East 12 wins)--and how those teams do Friday and next Tuesday--the winner of Mason at East on Tuesday will likely say alot about how the voting goes beginning Wednesday.

In essence the #2 and #3 seeds will be able to select wide-open sectional brackets--the #4 and #5 seeds will have to decide to play a Dayton team in the District or go in a sectional that will face Moeller in the District level game--that is why being the #4 or #5 seed will be interesting.
Right now I have

Moeller
Lasalle
Oak Hills or Mason

After those 4 it's anyone's guess. Probably East but I know nothing about Amelia who apparently is having a good year. But honestly, from that point on the teams are almost interchangeable in their level of play for probably the next 10 teams at least. So if East does get the 5 do they take a spot with Moeller to help stay away from all those other teams of similar caliber that will be running from Moeller? Similar to what they did last year with Wayne. Or does someone else jump on that strategy before them?
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Old 02-01-17, 08:17 PM
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Right now I have

Moeller
Lasalle
Oak Hills or Mason

After those 4 it's anyone's guess. Probably East but I know nothing about Amelia who apparently is having a good year. But honestly, from that point on the teams are almost interchangeable in their level of play for probably the next 10 teams at least. So if East does get the 5 do they take a spot with Moeller to help stay away from all those other teams of similar caliber that will be running from Moeller? Similar to what they did last year with Wayne. Or does someone else jump on that strategy before them?
I think you are exactly right on 1-5--Amelia is 14-2 but doesn't play the level of competition in racking up those 14 wins as the schools in the GCL or GMC. If East is #5 they may do exactly what they did last year. Right now I'd say Moeller this year is the Wayne of last year--worked out pretty good for East last year. Now that sectional will have a high # of higher seeds who think they can beat East and get to the District game.
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Old 02-01-17, 10:08 PM
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Isn't the big question where the Anderson coach will vote Wilmington?
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Old 02-02-17, 11:39 AM
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Wilmington at 9-7 probably around the 13-16 spot--
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Old 02-02-17, 12:19 PM
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#6 through #16 could probably be a tossup and any of them could beat each other on a given night.
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Old 02-02-17, 12:51 PM
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Here is my take on who I see as Seeds 1-10.

1 Moeller - Guard play sets this team apart from other Moe squads of late
2 LaSalle - Experienced, well coached team with a proven go to guy
3 Mason - Run the flex to perfection. Will lean heavily of Puisis and King
4 Oak Hills - Seasoned team led by Batte and Rudy will be a tough out
5 East - Two proven scorers lead this team
6 Walnut - Impressed by them vs LS until a flagrant foul doomed them
7 Princeton - Athletic team led by a true star player (Bazeley)
8 Withrow - Athletic big men make Withrow tough to beat
9 Amelia - Excellent record, not sure about their level of competition
10 Kings - Veteran squad that needs to get Tyler Mitchell back to be a factor
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Old 02-04-17, 03:13 PM
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Princeton just beat East and Amelia lost yesterday, hows that change things?
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Old 02-04-17, 05:04 PM
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Kings lost yesterday also. Can't see them being in top 10. They are struggling right now.
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Old 02-04-17, 05:05 PM
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I think the top 7 up above could be correct.
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Old 02-04-17, 11:08 PM
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Update of Records for the past week

As of 2/5/17:

Records of the 31 D1 teams in the Cincinnati Sectional--Draw on February 12th--

18-- Moeller (18-0)
17--
16--
15-- LaSalle (15-3), Oak Hills (15-3)
14-- Mason (14-2), Amelia (14-3), Northwest (14-4)
13- Edgewood (13-5)
12-- Lakota East (12-6)
11-- Walnut Hills (11-6), Withrow (11-7), Princeton (11-7), Little Miami (11-10)
10-- Glen Este (10-8), Wilmington (10-8), Hamilton (10-8)

9-- Loveland (9-10),Elder (9-8)
8-- Kings (8-9), Fairfield (8-10)
7-- Anderson (7-10), St. Xavier (7-11)
6-- Middletown (6-12), Turpin (6-12), Milford (6-12), Sycamore (6-12)
5-- Western Hills (5-12), Lakota West (5-12)
4-- Harrison (4-14)
3-- Talawanda (3-16), Colerain (3-15)
2-- Winton Woods (2-15)
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Top 6 heading into Tuesday night games:

1. Moeller--undefeated and deserve it
2. LaSalle--only 2 local losses are to Moe
3. Oak Hills--lead GMC by a game and split with Mason
4. Mason--trail OH by a game and split with Oak Hills
5. Princeton--They are 5-2 since Bazely eligible--beat Mason and East-lost to Colerain?
6. Take your pick--East, Northwest, Walnut Hills or Withrow--all have a case!
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If I was voting my poll would look like this: If Princeton beats Oak Hills I will give serious consideration moving them to 3.

1 - Moe
2 - LaSalle
3 - Oak Hills
4 - Mason
5 - Princeton
6 - East
7 - Withrow
8 - Walnut
9 - Amelia
10 - Northwest
11 - Elder
12 - Edgewood
13 - Hamilton
14 - Little Miami
15 - Fairfield
16 - Wilmington
17 - Glen Este
18 - Middletown
19 - St. X
20- Loveland
21 - Kings
22 - Anderson
23 - Sycamore
24 - Turpin
25 - Milford
26 - West High
27 - West
28 - Colerain
29 - Harrison
30 - Talawanda
31 - Winton Woods

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Old 02-06-17, 01:29 PM
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If I was voting my poll would look like this: If Princeton beats Oak Hills I will give serious consideration moving them to 3.

1 - Moe
2 - LaSalle
3 - Oak Hills
4 - Mason
5 - Princeton
6 - East
7 - Walnut
8 - Amelia
9 - Northwest
10 - Walnut
11 - Withrow
12 - Elder
13 - Edgewood
14 - Hamilton
15 - Little Miami
16 - Fairfield
17 - Wilmington
18 - Glen Este
19 - Middletown
20 - St. X
21- Loveland
22 - Kings
23 - Anderson
24 - Sycamore
25 - Turpin
26 - Milford
27 - West High
28 - West
29 - Colerain
30 - Harrison
31 - Talawanda
32 - Winton Woods
Pretty solid full list--one problem you have is Walnut at 7 and 10--gotta adjust that. Also I think Amelia a bit too high with only 3 losses but one of those to Anderson--Withrow owns 2 wins over Walnut Hlls and Anderson, and also over Elder.

Voting starts before Friday night games are played, so if Princeton beats OH many coaches may already will have voted. Hopefully this year most coaches wait until after Friday's games are complete.
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Old 02-06-17, 01:43 PM
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Pretty solid full list--one problem you have is Walnut at 7 and 10--gotta adjust that. Also I think Amelia a bit too high with only 3 losses but one of those to Anderson--Withrow owns 2 wins over Walnut Hlls and Anderson, and also over Elder.

Voting starts before Friday night games are played, so if Princeton beats OH many coaches may already will have voted. Hopefully this year most coaches wait until after Friday's games are complete.
Good catch, I meant to place Withrow ahead of Walnut. I have Amelia and Northwest ahead of others because they won their league.
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