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Old 05-05-19, 11:41 AM
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Old 05-05-19, 11:50 AM
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Turpin, are you this that well to be up at 8:30, or have you been drinking all night ? Didn't expect an 8:31am post from you
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Old 05-05-19, 12:06 PM
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Work every day but Monday. I went to sleep right after.
My wife was probably more upset than I was bc I showed her how much I was going to make
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Old 05-05-19, 12:34 PM
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"....drink or 50" had me worried
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Old 05-05-19, 03:44 PM
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4 of us invested 150$ each played lots of combos between Oaks day and Derby day , we had the 50 cent tri in the derby yesterday for $5700 8 horses boxed . got cut off at the bar shortly after race .damn Mardi grasi casino in west virgina
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Old 05-05-19, 03:58 PM
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I'm not giving up on the sport due to one batch of questionable officials/stewards. Hell, if I did that I'd have thrown in the towel on boxing long ago or given up on the NFL.
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Old 05-05-19, 06:40 PM
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My favorite is the people on twitter that i follow who said they were done and today are complaining about their picks for sundays card
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Old 05-05-19, 11:39 PM
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I wonder if "Let it Ride" is on Netflix....
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Old 05-06-19, 05:47 AM
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Someone explain to me that in a competitive "sport" (and that's in quotes after this bullsh1t), can someone be penalize for trying to win? This sh1t happens in NASCAR all the time (not that I'm a fan of that garbage).......never really watch horse racing, and don't care that much, other than I picked the 7 horse out of a hat and thought I won. One more reason to never tune into a race again.....thanks instant replay.
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Old 05-06-19, 07:07 AM
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Took a $5 bet and turned it into $70 because of that DQ. I'm for it.
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Old 05-06-19, 02:42 PM
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Gary Stevens jumping into the fray on Twitter...

Still think this is a good thing for racing. As a wise man once told me there is no such thing as bad publicity.
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Old 05-06-19, 09:59 PM
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He blocked me on twitter but did you see his tweet about the water and glare? Then the tweet about the camera man?

LOL horse was switching leads, veered out, jockey corrected.
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Old 05-06-19, 10:03 PM
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The U.S. rules are called Category 2 rules by the International Federation of Horseracing Authorities (IFHA). Basically, under Category 2 rules, a horse will be taken down if it interferes with another horse and/or does something that causes another horse in the race to finish further back than it would have otherwise.

Under the Category 1 system, a horse is only taken down if the horse it bothered clearly would have finished ahead of the offending horse if not for the incident. That was not the case in the Derby.

http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com...stem-is-wrong/


This controversy of the Derby hopefully is a catalyst for change. This is what needs to change for all future decisions regarding fouls. It helps protect gamblers IMO who are the most important part of horse racing. Yes even above the horse. We need to protect gamblers
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Old 05-06-19, 10:14 PM
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Someone explain to me that in a competitive "sport" (and that's in quotes after this bullsh1t), can someone be penalize for trying to win? This sh1t happens in NASCAR all the time (not that I'm a fan of that garbage).......never really watch horse racing, and don't care that much, other than I picked the 7 horse out of a hat and thought I won. One more reason to never tune into a race again.....thanks instant replay.
they are two completely different endeavors with different rules. Can't compare the two.
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Old 05-07-19, 08:10 AM
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The U.S. rules are called Category 2 rules by the International Federation of Horseracing Authorities (IFHA). Basically, under Category 2 rules, a horse will be taken down if it interferes with another horse and/or does something that causes another horse in the race to finish further back than it would have otherwise.

Under the Category 1 system, a horse is only taken down if the horse it bothered clearly would have finished ahead of the offending horse if not for the incident. That was not the case in the Derby.

http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com...stem-is-wrong/


This controversy of the Derby hopefully is a catalyst for change. This is what needs to change for all future decisions regarding fouls. It helps protect gamblers IMO who are the most important part of horse racing. Yes even above the horse. We need to protect gamblers
That's the issue I had. The horse impacted actually came back to get nearly even then had its doors blown off down the stretch. Also, the owner/trainer of the impacted horse did not submit the challenge.
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Old 05-07-19, 10:29 AM
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Also the jockey, Flavien Prat, didnt want to launch an objection. Bill Mott, who somehow the media thinks is good guy (he isnt), made him do it. Then Mott goes to the media and says I dont want to win this way. Speaking out of both sides of his mouth, he wanted to win that way or else he wouldn't have made Prat lodge an objection.

Jockeys typically dont lobby objections in big races, unless they hate the other jockey. They dont do this bc they dont want to burn any bridges with other big time owners and risk being black balled. It happens but you typically dont see it bc of this.

Under category 1 the horse stays up but they are likely fined (with a stiffer punishment than they get under current rules) for example Dettori getting 30 days in the melbourne cup.
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Old 05-07-19, 07:00 PM
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How about those two horses skipping the Preakness ? Is that bad for the sport ?
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Old 05-08-19, 07:25 AM
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Dont think it matters much to be honest. Sure it would be nice to capitalize on the controversy but in reality none or very little of those "fans" would turn into gamblers and that is what really matters.

Country House is skipping bc of a cough.

The real issue with racing has nothing to do with developing "fans". Has everything to do with developing gamblers. The biggest detriments to racing are that takeout is too high and access to data isnt free. I am not necessarily talking about the program/form but the raw data from each race. Equibase, which is owned by The Jockey Club, owns all the raw data and if you want to access it in anything that isnt a pdf file, you have to pay through the roof. It really hurt any type of innovation.

https://amp.courier-journal.com/amp/3436965002
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Maloney doesn’t bet as much as he did in past years, noting in his book that the amount he bet dipped from around $12 million in 2007 to around $4 million in 2016. These days, “It’s more than a million, but it’s way off of what I bet (in 2007),” Maloney said.

The reason for the drop has been the changing horse-racing industry. And that is a major concern for Maloney, who fears a dicey future for horse racing in a landscape where tracks’ takeouts on bets have increased as widespread competition looks to be coming from legalized sports betting.

“Racing is not geared up for this,” Maloney said. “… We are overpriced versus other forms of gambling, and now we’re going to face the biggest increase in competition that we have ever faced.”
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Old 05-08-19, 09:05 AM
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Dont think it matters much to be honest. Sure it would be nice to capitalize on the controversy but in reality none or very little of those "fans" would turn into gamblers and that is what really matters.

Country House is skipping bc of a cough.

The real issue with racing has nothing to do with developing "fans". Has everything to do with developing gamblers. The biggest detriments to racing are that takeout is too high and access to data isnt free. I am not necessarily talking about the program/form but the raw data from each race. Equibase, which is owned by The Jockey Club, owns all the raw data and if you want to access it in anything that isnt a pdf file, you have to pay through the roof. It really hurt any type of innovation.

https://amp.courier-journal.com/amp/3436965002
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Maloney doesn’t bet as much as he did in past years, noting in his book that the amount he bet dipped from around $12 million in 2007 to around $4 million in 2016. These days, “It’s more than a million, but it’s way off of what I bet (in 2007),” Maloney said.

The reason for the drop has been the changing horse-racing industry. And that is a major concern for Maloney, who fears a dicey future for horse racing in a landscape where tracks’ takeouts on bets have increased as widespread competition looks to be coming from legalized sports betting.

“Racing is not geared up for this,” Maloney said. “… We are overpriced versus other forms of gambling, and now we’re going to face the biggest increase in competition that we have ever faced.”
Interesting points about the raw data.

A couple years back, a huge online community developed around scrapping NFL data. The NFL has really locked down access to the raw data for NextGen stats but with a lot of work you can get some quality data (not anywhere near team level but quality for gambling purposes). I’d imagine there’s a profit to be made in horse racing by scrapping/cleaning data. I’m assuming the PDFs are not just annoying formatting but also incomplete data?
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Old 05-08-19, 09:51 AM
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NBA has been at the forefront of releasing raw data to fans/bettors. I honestly believe that is a big reason we have seen it become more popular and gambling is a big reason bc of that
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Old 05-08-19, 09:56 AM
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Interesting points about the raw data.

A couple years back, a huge online community developed around scrapping NFL data. The NFL has really locked down access to the raw data for NextGen stats but with a lot of work you can get some quality data (not anywhere near team level but quality for gambling purposes). I’d imagine there’s a profit to be made in horse racing by scrapping/cleaning data. I’m assuming the PDFs are not just annoying formatting but also incomplete data?
The pdf's are more annoying than anything else. Lot of time and your big figure makers, developers etc with deep pockets have found it more economically viable to just pay. However there are people like Robin Howlett who dont have deep pockets and have tried to do some interesting things. They have been stymied along the way with cease and desist letters


Another big issue is my idea, sportsplays.com model was stymied bc i would have to pay Equibase a lot of money to just post entries. For something that was more altruistic than trying to make money, it just didnt seem feasible.
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Old 05-08-19, 10:04 AM
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Some of the data is flawed as well. For example there are timing errors galore from the tracks either handtiming or just flat out mistiming electronically. Beyer , equibase, and brisnet speed figures dont fact check the times at each call/final times and therefore their speed figures are somewhat faulty bc of this. I use TimeformUS because the figure maker, Craig Milkowski goes back and retimes the races posts the adjustments.

Equibase complies the data from tracks but dont do any fact checking of the times.

One of my favorite angles is finding differences in Beyer figs and TF figs bc of timing errors and then hammering those horses with big discrepancies. Has been a very good angle over the years

Basically those errors have not been priced into the market and the price is innacurate bc of it
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Old 05-13-19, 11:55 AM
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Saez gets 15 days. Wow! The insanity continues and this is what we get with peta at the table. Some really really bad dq's in the aftermath of this as well.
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Old 05-13-19, 12:13 PM
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Saez gets 15 days. Wow! The insanity continues and this is what we get with peta at the table. Some really really bad dq's in the aftermath of this as well.
Sounds like a commission trying to substantiate its initial ruling. Kind of weak.
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Old 05-13-19, 04:46 PM
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Pretty much knew this would happen after the lawsuit was filed and subsequent media tour.

We have now seen a complete change of course to the way the game is "officiated" and it has bled over to some terrible DQs this weekend. Gamblers are mad for the most part bc of this new change.

There is more politics in this than anyone on the outside really knows. Look no further than the hatred for suspected juicer (no proof or even one med violation) Jason Servis
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Old 05-18-19, 06:43 AM
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At work today for the PREAKNESS did the whole card last night 1$ tri box 1-4-7 1$ ex box 1-4-7 156$ IN Total bets , group bet 8 people put up 100$ each rolling with a 40$ double first leg in need 1-2-4-5-8 in Preakness also got a .50 tri box 1-2-4-6-7-8-13. for Preakness, had 135 to show on 6 horse race 10 yesterday .
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Old 05-18-19, 08:23 AM
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Good luck.
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Old 05-18-19, 08:28 AM
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Cordmaker (your 6 horse) got a terrible ride in that race. That horse and You're to Blame ran the best race IMO

Speed always kills at Pimlico. Those tight turns make it hard to close.

Did you see that Covfefe race? That was a freak show by her
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Old 05-18-19, 10:20 AM
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Additional bet on race 13 150$ show on 8 and .50 tri box 1-2-3-4-5-7-8-13.. new track record for Pilmco with COVFEFE
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Old 05-18-19, 10:34 AM
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I think I saw someone tweet out that was the fastest 6F time for any filly
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