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Old 11-15-18, 09:13 AM
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This is just such a sad situation, and all mainly because people can't get along with custody of a child.
The really sad part is now we'll have all these trials to convict each one of them separately, costing taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars.
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Old 11-15-18, 10:40 AM
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The rumors were they took the old man to each killing spot so they could get past the dogs and to have him watch his family get massacred. Not sure if true but the torture of him and then dumping his body off the road makes sense
Unfortunately, I didn't get near a Holiday Inn last night.

Other than sheer pathological cruelty, what would have been the purpose in that? I understand killing all of them so there would be no witnesses, but why inflict that on the old man?

If they have clear evidence that's what happened, I'd think it wipes out any conceivable mitigating factor against the death penalty.
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Old 11-15-18, 11:20 AM
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Unfortunately, I didn't get near a Holiday Inn last night.

Other than sheer pathological cruelty, what would have been the purpose in that? I understand killing all of them so there would be no witnesses, but why inflict that on the old man?

If they have clear evidence that's what happened, I'd think it wipes out any conceivable mitigating factor against the death penalty.
I am not saying this is actually what happened. I sent a few PMs to people a while back about what the locals thought had happened. If you heard the whole "rumored story" it would make sense as to why they brought him around. However the cops said he died first. As I said I dont know what to believe, I am not stating any of this as fact, just repeating some of the crazy rumors the locals passed around.


I am not sure if I believe the "stories" as to who killed them and why but it is without a doubt they were moving lots of weed and they were involved with some sketchy people. I dont feel bad for any of the people killed who were involved in the drug dealing. Now the kids and anyone who is innocent I feel bad for.

This is what i believe:

I think the Wagner's made up/started a lot of the rumors to throw the cops of their trail. Sounds like they may have tried to make the murders seem "cartel related" bc of who the Rhodens allegedly did business with.

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Old 11-15-18, 11:37 AM
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I will say this, when my father was leasing land out there for hunting purposes, the man taking him around the property told him two things: if you see a timber rattle snake dont kill them, they have been reintroduced. The 2nd if you stumble upon any marijuana fields on the ATV trails keep driving, you are being watched by Mexicans.

To me it makes sense as to why they probably tried to frame the Mexicans.
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Old 11-15-18, 11:47 AM
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.chi.../amp/702914002

Is this murder connected to the Wagner's or is it a totally separate issue?
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Old 11-15-18, 02:22 PM
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I just found the website for the family's Flying W Farm. Has info for horse sales and other stuff and is listed to George and Fredericka Wagner. You could probably get a pretty decent price on a horse right about now. Contact George Washington Wagner III at the Pike County Jail, or go to 7486 Camp Creek Road in Lucasville and talk to Fredericka while she is there on house arrest, if you dare.


http://www.flyingwfarms.com/
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Old 11-15-18, 02:30 PM
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Is this murder connected to the Wagner's or is it a totally separate issue?
Interesting. Maybe we will find out.
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Old 11-15-18, 07:39 PM
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I just found the website for the family's Flying W Farm. Has info for horse sales and other stuff and is listed to George and Fredericka Wagner. You could probably get a pretty decent price on a horse right about now. Contact George Washington Wagner III at the Pike County Jail, or go to 7486 Camp Creek Road in Lucasville and talk to Fredericka while she is there on house arrest, if you dare.


http://www.flyingwfarms.com/
yeah that operation makes money for sure!!!

Thanks for that Sig, that site is awesome. Gonna spend some time looking through it more on my next trip to the bathroom
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Old 11-15-18, 07:46 PM
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Fredericka may have mind control over her brood.
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Old 11-15-18, 07:52 PM
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Their photoshop game is on point
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Old 11-15-18, 08:01 PM
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Turpin how do you become a USEF Leading Breeder for 2016 ?
Did the order the trophy from Crown Awards ? I think they still have same day shipping.
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Old 11-15-18, 08:14 PM
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https://www.usef.org/compete/ranking...?standtype=LB7

Apparently be the best of 27 registered breeders for that specific breed

For comparisons sake Dressage has over 1400 registered breeders.

The organization that USEF recognizes for Friesans and Half Friesans has been around since 2001. Just not a popular breed and easy to rack up trophies/awards against that type of competition. Be willing to bet a lot of shows maybe only have a couple of horses entered for that breed.

Show horse stuff is such a scam
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Old 11-15-18, 08:51 PM
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https://www.usef.org/compete/ranking...?standtype=LB7

Apparently be the best of 27 registered breeders for that specific breed

For comparisons sake Dressage has over 1400 registered breeders.

The organization that USEF recognizes for Friesans and Half Friesans has been around since 2001. Just not a popular breed and easy to rack up trophies/awards against that type of competition. Be willing to bet a lot of shows maybe only have a couple of horses entered for that breed.

Show horse stuff is such a scam
Were they making any money with those Friesans ?
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Old 11-15-18, 09:21 PM
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yeah that operation makes money for sure!!!

Thanks for that Sig, that site is awesome. Gonna spend some time looking through it more on my next trip to the bathroom
I thought you'd enjoy it. I'm tempted to call the phone numbers listed on there. Weird to hear the voice of a murderer
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Old 11-15-18, 09:45 PM
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I thought you'd enjoy it. I'm tempted to call the phone numbers listed on there. Weird to hear the voice of a murderer
I dont know if you would get an answer. The longer you wait the more likely they change their number from others finding out
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Old 11-15-18, 10:03 PM
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This is just such a sad situation, and all mainly because people can't get along with custody of a child.
The really sad part is now we'll have all these trials to convict each one of them separately, costing taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Will probably be a few Million after all Appeals. Still hope Iím alive the day the folks that killed that many people are Executed!
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Old 11-16-18, 11:00 AM
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I spoke too soon based on a radio news story. I now see they are claiming that it was over a child custody case.
It just doesn't make sense to kill off a family over a custody battle. I wonder if there was competition between the two families with all the marijuana being grown out there.
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Old 11-16-18, 11:19 AM
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Were they making any money with those Friesans ?
Not a chance, I doubt anyone in the show horse game is actually making money. It is very tough to make money in racing so I couldnt imagine anyone is really making money as a breeder, owner, etc in the show business where there is far less money up for grabs.

I mean with 27 registered breeders of Friesans there is no chance they made any money. Id bet my first born on it.
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Old 11-21-18, 06:24 PM
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Arraignment dates are set. Everybody but Billy will be in court next week

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...ty/2078310002/
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