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Old 11-22-18, 11:35 AM
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1. There are less than a million people total who live within the Arctic Circle. When compared to places with high suicide rates (ex. Baltic nations; non-Arctic Scandinavia), rates at those latitudes are twice as high. The conditions found in these places will be NOTHING compared to Mars, where people will not be able venture outside without a suit! Cabin fever will get those who don't succumb to depression! ...... These things are EXTREMELY important to the human psyche, and Mars missions look to be completely devoid of them! The closet environment we have on Earth is Antarctica and even that is more mild!!
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5. Astronauts who spend just a few months in space at near-zero gravity report damage to their eyesight. Mars has 38% the gravity of Earth. Consider astronauts, presumably people in their mid-to-late 30s or early 40s, spending the REST OF THEIR LIVES at 38% Earth's gravity!! The harsh reality is colonists are likely to go BLIND after a few years!! We will not send ANYONE to Mars until we remedy this problem!
Seriously, this is a very interesting aspect, and definitely will have to be researched and solutions created. As lotr10 suggests, a micro-gravity environment will help for short-term flight, but something more comprehensive needs to be developed to create a near 1G environment for flights anything more than, say 30 days.

A few years ago I was at a conference where astronaut Mark Kelley spoke, he talked about his record time aboard the ISS, especially the weird physical challenges he faced on his return. Along with changes in eyesight, blood pressure, muscle mass, etc, he said his skin and sensory nerves, particularly in the soles of his feet, had a very difficult time. He could not wear shoes for several weeks, and his earth clothing felt very irritating.
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Old 11-23-18, 08:18 AM
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Here's a nice review from NASA of all the physiological issues people might face in space travel:

https://www.nasa.gov/hrp/bodyinspace

It's a great review with dozens of links to more in depth articles on specific topics.

A couple of things to take away are:

* Many of these problems are associated with prolonged exposure to ZERO gravity. The issue for colonizing Mars, such as a deterioration in eyesight for some people, would be the long space flight at zero-G to move people to Mars. This could be alleviated by building faster space craft and/or providing spin gravity.

* Importantly there isn't strong evidence that living in a reduced gravity environment like Mars (1/3 earth G) would cause this problem.
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Old 11-26-18, 09:52 AM
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Here's a nice article on humanity's fascination with Mars and some of the cool things, including today's landing of the InSight probe, we're doing in exploring the Red Planet.

https://www.space.com/42518-why-we-k...t-landing.html
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Old 11-26-18, 09:56 AM
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We've had some spectacular naked-eye views of Mars this year. I don't recall the last time it was this noticeable, but I'm certainly savoring it.
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Old 11-26-18, 05:00 PM
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And it's safely landed on Mars:

https://www.businessinsider.com/nasa...ission-2018-11

InSight is on the ground!
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Old 11-27-18, 02:52 AM
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Twitter reactions to NASA Mars landing are out of this world

The first gritty photo, a NASA employee's hat and that elaborate handshake all come in for comment.

https://www.cnet.com/news/twitter-re...of-this-world/



From the article, also be sure to check out CNET's video: NASA's InSight sticks its Martian landing.
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Old 11-27-18, 07:13 AM
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Twitter reactions to NASA Mars landing are out of this world

The first gritty photo, a NASA employee's hat and that elaborate handshake all come in for comment.



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LOL. Gene Kranz would've confiscated that hat so fast .....

Best comment to the photos: "My office is like that when I bring in donuts."
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Old 11-27-18, 06:36 PM
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Here's a nice review from NASA of all the physiological issues people might face in space travel:

https://www.nasa.gov/hrp/bodyinspace

It's a great review with dozens of links to more in depth articles on specific topics.

A couple of things to take away are:

* Many of these problems are associated with prolonged exposure to ZERO gravity. The issue for colonizing Mars, such as a deterioration in eyesight for some people, would be the long space flight at zero-G to move people to Mars. This could be alleviated by building faster space craft and/or providing spin gravity.

* Importantly there isn't strong evidence that living in a reduced gravity environment like Mars (1/3 earth G) would cause this problem.
Come on, lotr10! You are smarter than this!! The problems with eyesight are related to long term exposure to a <1g living environment. Damage will be done at both near-0 g and .38 g!

I think we will find space much more accommodating to our colonization efforts. Our ships' living environments can be tailor-made to us and constructed in a relatively short time-span. Bringing a planet into a similar alignment may take millennia and run a cost several degrees of magnitude higher!

I am envisioning an artificial g space-station that would remain in orbit for the duration of a mission. The crew would take shuttles to a land-base and remain for a few months before returning to the station to recover. This could be done repeatedly for years and the crew would remain relatively healthy!
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Old 11-28-18, 09:50 AM
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Come on, lotr10! You are smarter than this!! The problems with eyesight are related to long term exposure to a <1g living environment. Damage will be done at both near-0 g and .38 g!

I think we will find space much more accommodating to our colonization efforts. Our ships' living environments can be tailor-made to us and constructed in a relatively short time-span. Bringing a planet into a similar alignment may take millennia and run a cost several degrees of magnitude higher!

I am envisioning an artificial g space-station that would remain in orbit for the duration of a mission. The crew would take shuttles to a land-base and remain for a few months before returning to the station to recover. This could be done repeatedly for years and the crew would remain relatively healthy!
Well have to agree to disagree about the planet/moon based colonization potential but I do agree that space based habitats using spin gravity can almost mimic earth like G conditions. Hollow out an asteroid and set it spinning and you would have a very nice living space inside.

Here's a nice look at space colonization, it's a bit retro but offers a decent summary of the riches to be found off earth:

https://theweek.com/articles/808840/...2stk1CZwXS7d_w
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Old 11-28-18, 02:50 PM
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Progress launch timelapse seen from space

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Old 11-28-18, 03:44 PM
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Progress launch timelapse seen from space

Awesome video, Yappi!
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Old 11-28-18, 03:49 PM
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Waiting for an official response from the flat earth congregation
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Old 11-29-18, 01:37 PM
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NASA Administrator to Announce New Moon to Mars Partnerships with US Companies

https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/n...h-us-companies

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NASA invites media to its headquarters in Washington for the announcement of new Moon partnerships with American companies at 2 p.m. EST Thursday, Nov. 29. NASA Administrator Jim Bridenstine will make the announcement, which will air live on NASA Television and the agency's website.
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Old 11-29-18, 04:00 PM
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I'm fine with the Moon we got, I don't think we need a new one.
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Old 11-30-18, 01:31 PM
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NASA Administrator to Announce New Moon to Mars Partnerships with US Companies

https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/n...h-us-companies
Here's more on NASA's plans for a moon base and Mars expedition:

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/41...anned-presence

NASA Administrator Jim Bridenstine says the U.S. is within 10 years of having a continuous manned presence on the moon, which will lay the groundwork for expanding space exploration to Mars.

“Right now we’re building a space station, we call it ‘Gateway,’ that’s going to be in orbit around the moon — think of it as a reusable command module where we can have human presence in orbit around the moon. From there we want reusable landers that go back and forth to the surface of the moon,” Bridenstine told Hill.TV’s Jamal Simmons and Buck Sexton on “Rising.”

“We think we can achieve this in about 10 years, the idea being prove the capability, retire the risk, prove the human physiology and then go on to Mars,” he continued.


In addition to the items listed in the article the importance of a sustained human presence on the Moon will be that it will help us answer whether the medical issues Max brought up really will limit colonization of lower gravity moons/planets.
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Old 12-02-18, 10:17 AM
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Okay it's the Sun - not exactly a prestigious scientific publication - but damn they do have great pictures & videos in their articles!

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/787361...y-golden-rock/

And no, the "shiny golden rock" is probably not real gold!
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Old 12-04-18, 09:15 AM
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Some more good stuff from the Sun:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/788569...ufo-sightings/

Though how they know the aliens were "tiny" is beyond me. Still once you get by the Sun's entertaining title this article is a good summary of how any assumptions on alien technology & physiology are likely to be way off.
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Old 12-05-18, 04:53 AM
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And what a year it's been!

The top space stories of 2018: Mars, new moons and a mystery asteroid

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/05/world...018/index.html

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This year was full of discovery throughout the cosmos.

We were dazzled by beautiful images from space telescopes; marveled at the discovery of planets, stars and objects; were intrigued by a lunar mystery solved by missing Apollo mission data; and saw the first confirmed image of the birth of a planet.

Things were just waiting to be found in our own corner of the universe, like 12 new moons around Jupiter, Earth-like characteristics on Pluto and a possible super-Earth orbiting a neighboring star. More studies suggested water on Mars and the moon. And astronomers found the fastest-growing black hole ever.

Of course, speculation abounded over where signs of life may be found outside Earth...
Includes cool video clips, too.
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Old 12-05-18, 08:38 PM
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Well have to agree to disagree about the planet/moon based colonization potential but I do agree that space based habitats using spin gravity can almost mimic earth like G conditions. Hollow out an asteroid and set it spinning and you would have a very nice living space inside.

Here's a nice look at space colonization, it's a bit retro but offers a decent summary of the riches to be found off earth:

https://theweek.com/articles/808840/...2stk1CZwXS7d_w
I suppose, but wanting to agree to disagree on a fact of science is odd!

A hollowed out asteroid would be a trip!
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Old 12-06-18, 09:10 AM
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And what a year it's been!

The top space stories of 2018: Mars, new moons and a mystery asteroid

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/05/world...018/index.html



Includes cool video clips, too.
Great article! Now that's a best of the year story folks can enjoy.
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Old 12-06-18, 09:17 AM
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I suppose, but wanting to agree to disagree on a fact of science is odd!

A hollowed out asteroid would be a trip!
Here's a couple of fanciful articles laying out how a hollowed out asteroid might work:

https://worldbuilding.stackexchange....-out-asteroids


This article covers a broad range of potential space/moon/planet based colony's but has a nice section on hollowed out asteroids:

https://bigthink.com/paul-ratner/her...colonize-space
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Old 12-08-18, 08:32 AM
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Here's an informative article on how we're probing the solar system:

https://www.popularmechanics.com/spa...age-of-probes/


Alien conspiracy theorists have certainly ruined the word “probe.” But there's really only one kind of extraterrestrial probing happening in our solar system, and it’s us Earthlings who are doing it.

On Monday an intrepid spacecraft called OSIRIS-REx officially rendezvoused with a 500-meter-wide asteroid. The spacecraft will spend months at the asteroid, then descend to gather samples and return them to Earth.

Humanity witnessed another casual miracle of engineering just the week before—the landing of InSight on Mars. This probe will measure seismic Marsquakes and drill into the surface measure the thermal flux under the surface. This is a geology mission, one meant to gather never-before-seen data on the internal structure of the Red Planet.
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Old 12-12-18, 09:54 AM
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Check these pictures of Mars out:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...le-detail.html


Never has dirt looked so cool.
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Old 12-12-18, 09:56 AM
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A second human space ship has now entered Interstellar space:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/voyager...stellar-space/


Eleven billion miles from Earth, NASA's long-lived Voyager 2 probe, still beaming back data 41 years after its launch in 1977, has finally moved into interstellar space, scientists revealed Monday, joining its sister ship Voyager 1 in the vast, uncharted realm between the stars.

Voyager 2 moved past the boundary of the heliosphere, the protective bubble defined by the sun's magnetic field and electrically charged solar wind, on Nov. 5. The transition was marked by a sharp decline in the number of charged particles detected by the spacecraft's plasma science experiment, or PLS.

The instrument has not detected any signs of the solar wind since then.



Frankly, this is beyond awesome!
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Old 12-12-18, 04:58 PM
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Voyager 2 gains sentience. First words, "crap it's lonely."


hmmm, that might actually make a good short story.
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Old 12-13-18, 04:11 AM
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Virgin Galactic ready for milestone SpaceShipTwo flight



https://spacenews.com/virgin-galacti...hiptwo-flight/

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A test flight more than a decade in the making is scheduled to take place Dec. 13 as Virgin Galactic’s SpaceShipTwo suborbital vehicle is set to make its highest and fastest flight to date, one that, if all goes well, will take it beyond one boundary of space.

The test flight is scheduled to begin at around 10 a.m. Eastern when the WhiteKnightTwo aircraft carrying the SpaceShipTwo vehicle named VSS Unity takes off from Mojave Air and Space Port here. The aircraft will fly to an altitude of about 13,100 meters before releasing SpaceShipTwo about 45 to 60 minutes after takeoff.

SpaceShipTwo, flown by pilots Mark Stucky and C.J. Sturckow, will then fire its hybrid rocket motor for a planned duration of about 50 seconds or so, longer than any previous powered flight by this vehicle or the original SpaceShipOne, VSS Enterprise.
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That altitude goal is approximately 80 kilometers, or 50 miles. “I think what we’ll see is something not far over 50 [miles],” said George Whitesides, chief executive of Virgin Galactic, if the flight goes as expected. The company has identified 50 miles as the altitude for reaching space, as NASA and the U.S. Air Force award astronaut wings to those who exceed that altitude.
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Old 12-13-18, 11:34 AM
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Old 12-14-18, 01:43 AM
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Pack your suitcase!

Pretty cool videos of today's launch! The first video is an NBC news brief, and the second provides more audio and video from space:

Virgin Galactic Rocket Test Flight Marks Major Step Toward Space Tourism | NBC Nightly News



Virgin Galactic First Space Flight - SpaceShipTwo, VSS Unity

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Old 12-14-18, 09:46 AM
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Imagine where we'll be in 10 years! There is an explosion of private enterprise exploring space.

Forget about the so called "tech" giants, the company's that develop permanent space colonies and exploit off earth resources will become more powerful then entire nations.
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