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Old 02-24-12, 01:26 AM
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GCL South All Stars - First & Second Team -LOL

I guess the GCL doesn't abide by their own decisions. A few of their choices are an amazing slap in the face to far more deserving bowlers.

Taken from the GCL website, History tab.

2002-2003
In Bowling it is felt that the 'League' format is working out quite well. It was agreed by all Athletic Directors that the athletes with the top-ten averages in Division would be honored as All-Stars. The top five being designated as First-Team, the next five as Second Team.

I will cut them a bit of a break. The history page has not been updated since 2006. So maybe they have come up with some super secret formula for determining who is on which team.

Red hi-lights are 1st team GCL South.

Blue hi-lights are 2nd team GCL South.

Individual Leaders - All Games
NAME SCHOOL G AVG SERIES HIGH
1 Daniel Oehler Moeller 40 211.5 502
2 Brandon Merz LaSalle 38 210.3 524
3 Ben Brauch Elder 39 207.2 558
4 Joey Bruns St. Xavier 45 205 491
5 Matt Huber St. Xavier 40 200 472
6 Matt Nichols LaSalle 36 199.2 449
7 A.J. Harrell Badin 41 199 500
8 Baylen Shoemaker Carroll 45 197.4 502
9 Austin Tebelman LaSalle 44 197.2 510
10 Ben Weinberger St. Xavier 41 196.9 454
11 Jonny McQuitty St. Xavier 14 196.3 410
12 Edward Runkel St. Xavier 23 196.2 439
13 D'Angelo Thompson Chaminade Julienne 39 196.2 490
14 Patrick Sullivan Elder 35 196 467
15 Pat Goddard Moeller 25 195.7 436
16 Mark Adkins Elder 37 193.8 445
17 Will Mullen LaSalle 26 193.5 408
18 Joe Giovannetti Elder 28 193.2 423
19 Chris Hecht St. Xavier 28 192.8 404
20 Nate Frock Roger Bacon 39 192.3 447
21 Philip Cleves Moeller 31 192 438
22 Jarrett Cooper Carroll 43 191.7 542
23 Chris Wilhelm Roger Bacon 41 191.1 437
24 Jeff Nader LaSalle 31 190.7 445
25 Austin Ross Purcell Marian 28 189.4 449
26 Jason Hinson McNicholas 32 189.2 444
27 Tyler Mercurio Moeller 24 188.6 444
28 Nick Kadon Moeller 13 187.6 403
29 Michael Kulifay Badin 38 186.9 444
30 Tim Boyd Moeller 20 186.9 398
31 Stewart Barnes Roger Bacon 42 186.8 434
32 Nick Roth Elder 33 186.5 435

What a joke.

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Old 02-24-12, 04:36 PM
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The scores you posted are total scores from the year. All team gcl is based on conference games only. For a better idea, click conference games only on te gcl site and then click gcl south only. The all gcl teams should make more sense. This was decided to keep teams who bowl in tournaments on tough shots and bowl non conference games at tougher houses from being at a disadvantage.

Coaches do vote and have final discretion. This comes into play mostly when bowlers do not complete the minimum amount of conference games to qualify.
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Old 02-24-12, 10:33 PM
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The scores you posted are total scores from the year. All team gcl is based on conference games only. For a better idea, click conference games only on te gcl site and then click gcl south only. The all gcl teams should make more sense. This was decided to keep teams who bowl in tournaments on tough shots and bowl non conference games at tougher houses from being at a disadvantage.

Coaches do vote and have final discretion. This comes into play mostly when bowlers do not complete the minimum amount of conference games to qualify.
Thanks for the info. I now understand why and what they are doing. I don't believe it provides a good reflection of who are the best bowlers. Take tournaments out of the equation and you would have a better reflection of who is better. As for the tougher house, by whose standards are they measured. Most bowlers have a house they feel the best at and it occasionally, if not often, is different from their peers.
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Old 02-25-12, 12:46 PM
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All city teams take into account all matches and tournaments. I think the all conference teams should have the bowlers that bowl best in conference. If coaches have any say at all, I think it should be based on matches where other gcl coaches are present. I can see where you are coming from though. Are all conference teams in sports like basketball based on nonconfernce games?

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Old 02-26-12, 12:24 AM
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All city teams take into account all matches and tournaments. I think the all conference teams should have the bowlers that bowl best in conference. If coaches have any say at all, I think it should be based on matches where other gcl coaches are present. I can see where you are coming from though. Are all conference teams in sports like basketball based on nonconfernce games?
I don't know. Interesting question.

On an unrelated issue, there is something that I find interesting in the use of subs. Its not so much that they are allowed it is how it effects the bowlers average. It is as if you can throw out your low scores and recompute your average. The number of guys that bowl a full complement of games is next to 0. You have guys that bowl there 25 games and boast a 195 average. What it doesn't show is that there were 10 games the bowler was on his way to bowling a 150 and was subbed for. Another guy bowls 40 games and carries a 195 average and they are viewed as equals. --- I think something along these lines needs to be instituted. If a sub is introduced in the game in the 4th or later frame the original bowler is credited with the lesser of his average going into the match or the score of the game. An exception can be made for injury.

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