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Old 10-21-17, 12:36 PM
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6th grade can practice with jh? Jh with hs too?

I heard this week that Ohio has allowed 6th graders to practice with the middle school teams and that middle schoolers can practice with high schoolers in season as well. Is this true?
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Old 10-21-17, 12:56 PM
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They can practice on the same mat. Some schools donít have capacity to do it otherwise. They are just no contact. Example. Hs can only contact 9-12. Jh can only have 7-8 contact. 6 only 6th contact


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Old 10-21-17, 05:58 PM
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sounds good for small schools, not happening with the big boys
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Old 10-21-17, 11:36 PM
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sounds good for small schools, not happening with the big boys
Unless the big boys have a stud on the way and want to take a closer look and see what he's all abaout.
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Old 10-22-17, 01:32 AM
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Meanwhile in Kentucky we have second graders wrestling for middle school teams and 6th graders wrestling high school varsity.
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Old 10-22-17, 02:30 PM
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Meanwhile in Kentucky we have second graders wrestling for middle school teams and 6th graders wrestling high school varsity.
Your close 4th and 7th.

No reason to hold a kid back. If he can roll with the upper class men why not let him?
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Old 10-22-17, 03:53 PM
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If David Carr wins the state title this season, will they say 4 time or 5 time state champ( winning it as an 8th grader in KY)?
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Old 10-22-17, 07:25 PM
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If David Carr wins the state title this season, will they say 4 time or 5 time state champ( winning it as an 8th grader in KY)?
I believe he would be a 5 timer. That is what "they" will call him.
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Old 10-23-17, 05:58 AM
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Actually, didn't he win KY as a seventh grader before moving to OH? I believe he competed in the Ohio JH OAC's his 8th grade year but could be wrong.
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Old 10-23-17, 06:54 AM
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Actually, didn't he win KY as a seventh grader before moving to OH? I believe he competed in the Ohio JH OAC's his 8th grade year but could be wrong.
Mark Hall was runner up his 1st seventh grade year. Carr won as an 8th grader.
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Old 10-23-17, 06:50 PM
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Here is what the 2017-18 Jh Wrestling Manual says:
No one below the 7th grade shall practice/participate with or against 7th & 8th grade
wrestlers. 7th & 8th grade wrestlers shall not practice/participate with or against
9th-12th grade wrestlers.

Does this mean not able to practice on the same mat at all? Because it says "with" or do they just mean no drilling with them?
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Old 10-23-17, 08:01 PM
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Here is what the 2017-18 Jh Wrestling Manual says:
No one below the 7th grade shall practice/participate with or against 7th & 8th grade
wrestlers. 7th & 8th grade wrestlers shall not practice/participate with or against
9th-12th grade wrestlers.

Does this mean not able to practice on the same mat at all? Because it says "with" or do they just mean no drilling with them?


I posed the same question via email to the ohsaa. No touching. They donít want to keep kids from being able to wrestle due to lack of time and space in small schools. They just donít want them touching.


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Old 10-23-17, 08:58 PM
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Your close 4th and 7th.

No reason to hold a kid back. If he can roll with the upper class men why not let him?
The only reason you need to hold a kid back in Ohio is that it will give 20 yr old Johnny a better chance to win a state title.
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Old 10-25-17, 07:07 PM
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Your close 4th and 7th.

No reason to hold a kid back. If he can roll with the upper class men why not let him?
No, I’m right on the middle school part. Just take a look at the lower weight classes. Plenty of 2d graders. Tons of 12 year olds (7th graders) wrestling high school varsity in Kentucky.

What’s wrong with it? Maybe it’s part of the burnout problem and why in Ky we have 40 wrestlers state wide in some weight classes in high school. Kentucky is where a kid goes 65-0 in a single season and pins the same kid 10 times.
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Old 10-25-17, 08:12 PM
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No, Iím right on the middle school part. Just take a look at the lower weight classes. Plenty of 2d graders. Tons of 12 year olds (7th graders) wrestling high school varsity in Kentucky.

Whatís wrong with it? Maybe itís part of the burnout problem and why in Ky we have 40 wrestlers state wide in some weight classes in high school. Kentucky is where a kid goes 65-0 in a single season and pins the same kid 10 times.

They do allow 4th graders to wrestle middle school in Kentucky. Kentucky also starts at 70 pounds, not 80 like in Ohio. There isn't many 70 pound 8th graders. In Kentucky it's about building numbers.

Kentucky also allows 7th graders to wrestle high school usually in the lower weights. Out of the tons of 7th graders wrestling high school 4 made the state tournament with 1 placing.

Back on topic. If you have a kid that can wrestle and there isn't anyone in the room his grade that can push him why not let him wrestle with upper classmen?
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Old 10-25-17, 08:53 PM
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The why would be mostly a legal issue for the coach


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Old 10-26-17, 07:59 AM
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The why would be mostly a legal issue for the coach


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and you my client are now on the clock
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Old 10-26-17, 02:28 PM
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I posed the same question via email to the ohsaa. No touching. They donít want to keep kids from being able to wrestle due to lack of time and space in small schools. They just donít want them touching.


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That was my understanding of,it as well. I emailed Rugg last year with multiple questions on this same,topic. The CPS middle school programs always practiced at one central location 2 days a week. I now have the aiken middle school kids in my building practicing 5 days a week same schedule as the HS just by them selves.
CPS then wrestles middle,school as a "club"
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Old 10-29-17, 09:37 PM
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What about an advanced 5th grader practicing with a 6th grader during a middle school practice would that be allowed? They can wrestle each other at youth practice.
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Old 10-30-17, 03:51 AM
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They do allow 4th graders to wrestle middle school in Kentucky. Kentucky also starts at 70 pounds, not 80 like in Ohio. There isn't many 70 pound 8th graders. In Kentucky it's about building numbers.

Kentucky also allows 7th graders to wrestle high school usually in the lower weights. Out of the tons of 7th graders wrestling high school 4 made the state tournament with 1 placing.

Back on topic. If you have a kid that can wrestle and there isn't anyone in the room his grade that can push him why not let him wrestle with upper classmen?

Because overall itís bad for the sport to have 2d through 4th graders wrestling middle school and 6th through 8th graders wrestling high school. But, hey, it makes dad feel good to hold his kid back and stomp everyone and have 400 high school wins.
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Old 10-31-17, 10:09 PM
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From OHSAA

Here is what I've heard from OHSAA:

No one under the 7th grade. The middle school wrestlers may be in the same area but no drilling with the 9-12 graders. 6th graders may not wrestle on the same mat as 7/8th graders. This makes sense because youth wrestling is usually not affiliated with the school district and most certainly not associated with the OHSAA. I think this rule is pretty clearly understood now:

"No one below the 7th grade shall practice/participate with or against 7th & 8th grade wrestlers. 7th & 8th grade wrestlers shall not practice/participate with or against 9th-12th grade wrestlers."
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