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Old 01-04-19, 10:03 AM
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The argument revolves around this statement:



I believe this is wrong because a.) if the committee's job is to identify the 4 best teams, it's to identify the 4 best teams and let them decide on the field, not to identify who the single best team is. Whether #1 or #4 wins is irrelevant. And b.) if their job is to identify the 4 most deserving teams, then it's irrelevant whether or not they can identify the best team(s).

That's why I think it's wrong to say they've consistently proven they aren't able to identify the best teams when you even said yourself no one knows what they are trying to accomplish.
They rank the teams. 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3 play each other. Those rankings mean something. The committee changes their narrative every year to justify their picks.
When they rank teams that jump 3 spots during the playoff, why would you blindly trust that 5 couldn’t jump to 2, or 6 to 3, or 7 to 4?
Just because one of the selected teams wins doesn’t mean that one of the non-selected couldn’t win it all.
As I’ve said before (perhaps in another thread), they have not improved the process. What they’ve done is take the big group of biased voters voting after all the bowl games and transferred the vote to a smaller, more biased (university affiliated), voting group before the playoffs.
The issue isn’t the outcome, it’s the inconsistent, biased process.

Interesting read.

https://collegefootballplayoff.com/s...-protocol.aspx
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Old 01-04-19, 10:21 AM
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I agree with you. I want subjectivity gone. The main reason I want expansion, among other things, is so that we can get rid of the subjectivity of a group where there are clear conflicts of interest. With expansion we can get clear-cut criteria and a path to the playoffs that everyone is aware of, ie win your conference and you're in. Would there be more blowouts? Possibly, but to me it's worth it if we can rid ourselves of the current process.
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Old 01-04-19, 11:26 AM
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You will always have subjectivity as long as it is decided by people.

Whether you keep the format, raise it to 8 teams, or go back to the bowl series and have a plus one someone will always complain that team X got screwed.

Regardless, as I have suggested for years and some blowhard on this site picked up on, allow Vegas to make the odds on the top 8, top 4, or plus 1. With Vegas making odds it takes that degree of subjectivity away.
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Old 01-04-19, 11:33 AM
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There's a better case that 5 and 6 got screwed than 7 or 9. In 2015, for example, the Big XII got screwed pretty badly. The system is obviously broken when a conference that plays a round-robin season has to play an additional game to crown their champion just to avoid getting screwed.
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Old 01-04-19, 01:12 PM
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They rank the teams. 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3 play each other. Those rankings mean something. The committee changes their narrative every year to justify their picks.
When they rank teams that jump 3 spots during the playoff, why would you blindly trust that 5 couldn’t jump to 2, or 6 to 3, or 7 to 4?
Just because one of the selected teams wins doesn’t mean that one of the non-selected couldn’t win it all.
As I’ve said before (perhaps in another thread), they have not improved the process. What they’ve done is take the big group of biased voters voting after all the bowl games and transferred the vote to a smaller, more biased (university affiliated), voting group before the playoffs.
The issue isn’t the outcome, it’s the inconsistent, biased process.

Interesting read.

https://collegefootballplayoff.com/s...-protocol.aspx
Sure does - which team gets to wear the home colors and which team gets to wear their away whites.
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Old 01-04-19, 01:24 PM
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Sure does - which team gets to wear the home colors and which team gets to wear their away whites.
The #1 team also gets to choose what location of the 2 semi-final bowls they want to be in
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Old 01-04-19, 01:30 PM
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There's a better case that 5 and 6 got screwed than 7 or 9. In 2015, for example, the Big XII got screwed pretty badly. The system is obviously broken when a conference that plays a round-robin season has to play an additional game to crown their champion just to avoid getting screwed.
Looked even worse when Ohio State ran the table from that #4 spot. The Big XII screwed up that year by trying to back both Baylor and TCU though. They thought if there were two viable options there's no way both get overlooked. They should have put all their eggs in one basket - probably Baylor since they beat TCU, albeit earlier in the year. Ohio State blowing out and blanking Wisconsin obviously hurt too. If Wisky scores 21 and OSU tacked on a couple scores to make it 59-21 at the end maybe they don't get in. That's the point most are trying to make though - too subject and we're splitting hairs on the final team(s) in.
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Old 01-04-19, 01:35 PM
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The #1 team also gets to choose what location of the 2 semi-final bowls they want to be in
Not so sure they get to choose - think they automatically get the better geographic edge. Since Bama was playing Oklahoma, the Orange Bowl was close for them than it was for OU as opposed to the Cotton Bowl.
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Old 01-04-19, 10:30 PM
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Looked even worse when Ohio State ran the table from that #4 spot. The Big XII screwed up that year by trying to back both Baylor and TCU though. They thought if there were two viable options there's no way both get overlooked. They should have put all their eggs in one basket - probably Baylor since they beat TCU, albeit earlier in the year. Ohio State blowing out and blanking Wisconsin obviously hurt too. If Wisky scores 21 and OSU tacked on a couple scores to make it 59-21 at the end maybe they don't get in. That's the point most are trying to make though - too subject and we're splitting hairs on the final team(s) in.

If TCU and Baylor were Oklahoma and Texas, with the exact same resumes, Ohio State would have been left out.

The committee wants national brands with large fanbases, and they will do whatever double talk is necessary to meet that agenda.

The same thing happened with Ohio State over Penn State a few years back, and Alabama ahead of Ohio State last year.

Not saying Ohio State isn't a national brand, just that Alabama has more brand currently than anyone else.
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Old 01-04-19, 11:17 PM
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If TCU and Baylor were Oklahoma and Texas, with the exact same resumes, Ohio State would have been left out.

The committee wants national brands with large fanbases, and they will do whatever double talk is necessary to meet that agenda.

The same thing happened with Ohio State over Penn State a few years back, and Alabama ahead of Ohio State last year.

Not saying Ohio State isn't a national brand, just that Alabama has more brand currently than anyone else.
If Meat-chicken ever was a top-tier achiever, with that fan base, they'd be a shoe-in, huh ?
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Old 01-05-19, 07:18 AM
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Tv ratings say otherwise, Tom
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Old 01-05-19, 09:57 AM
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Levi's Stadium is an awful location. The traffic is horrendous and playing this game at 5 pm on a Monday will make it that much worse. Nothing to worry about. College football just needs to stick with their moneymaker locations. Atlanta, Miami, New Orleans, etc.
put it in Indy
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Old 01-05-19, 12:20 PM
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put it in Indy
Indianapolis gets the Title Game in 2021-22.
Goes to NOLA next year, Miami the following and then Indy. Then they're back out west to Los Angeles in the Rams new stadium and Houston.
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Old 01-05-19, 12:22 PM
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put it in Indy
It is going to be in Indy in 2022. They’ve already announced the locations up to 2024:

20: New Orleans
21: Miami
22: Indy
23: LA
24: Houston
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Old 01-07-19, 10:03 PM
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Alabama is just so dominant they make the whole thing boring. They're going to pants Clemson and win another NC. Simple as that.
Lol Nostradamus
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Old 01-07-19, 10:35 PM
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Alabama is just so dominant they make the whole thing boring. They're going to pants Clemson and win another NC. Simple as that.
Boy did you blow this! I'm loving Clemson throttling Alabama.
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Old 01-07-19, 11:09 PM
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Boy did you blow this! I'm loving Clemson throttling Alabama.
It's not like he was alone in that prediction. Plenty of "experts" were picking Bama by two scores.
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Old 01-07-19, 11:20 PM
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Yeah that was pretty surprising. Dabo knows how to play Saban. Excellent performance by his team
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Old 01-08-19, 03:45 PM
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Less than a full day after this "upset" in the supposedly biggest game in college football and ESPN's headline is about a fired coach whose year was mediocre getting a job at an NFL team whose year was... less than mediocre.


What a dis.
 

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