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Old 01-09-19, 11:36 AM
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From someone I talked to previously about Waterloo and them in their move to MVAC, it was more about what was in best interest of them going forward. The conversation I had was over 15 months ago, so it may be off a little, but this is essentially what I was told from the Waterloo perspective.

1) What someone mentioned above about moving D4 Field to County if Metro adds a team is exactly one of the reasons why Waterloo was looking to move to the MVAC. Crestwood was D4 at the time, Southeast D4, Garfield D5, and so on. They didn't want to be in a conference where they were with several D4/D5 schools while they're getting smaller and they have a league around their size that they had the chance to join at the time.

2) Schedule. There isn't many options to fill a game in Weeks 4-10 and with Lake Center Christian not having football, no guarantee of expansion to get 8 schools with football in the County, and the talks of forcing crossover games? It made the move to the MVAC more enticing to them.

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Below are my thoughts and not what was said to me in the conversation about Waterloo/MVAC.

Also, from what I interpreted, it's easy to see that the PTC will cater to the Metro more than the County. So why wouldn't Waterloo look somewhere that would benefit them? Again, benefit them. They should only do what they feel is in the best interest of their student-athletes, not the conference they're leaving or the schools in that conference. In my opinion, they were trying to get ahead of a potential bad situation in the PTC County.


I don't see Waterloo coming back to the PTC and leaving the MVAC any time soon; however, I wouldn't be shocked to see the MVAC and EOAC have a little shakeup with Toronto already leaving the EOAC and Leetonia, according to this thread, possibly on the way out as well.

I could very well see Sebring and another MVAC school going to the EOAC and then Valley Christian and possibly another PTC school joining the MVAC. Again, not anything I heard. Just taking an educated guess from what I've seen in the past with these conference alignments and also who needs a conference, etc.
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Old 01-09-19, 12:22 PM
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Well Waterloo is either D5 or 6. Now the PTC is made up of only one D 4, Southeast and they only barely. The rest are D5,6,7. Waterloo is much larger than most of MVAC. The majority of their sports teams competed competitively in the PTC except football which has never had a winning tradition. I would think that now the experiment is so costly and has not reaped the benefits, they need to reenter PTC. Think of the positive public relations they get by saving the taxpayers unnecessary transportation costs..makes too much sense.
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Old 01-09-19, 01:30 PM
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Letting STA in would be a huge mistake IMO. They are either down (like they are now) and worth almost nothing to the league, or they have a bubble class of recruits like a couple years ago, and they would steam roll. There is no in between. No middle of the road years where they would be good competition. Plus STA always seems like their existence is in a perpetual state of unknown and there is always talk about combining the school into other diocese (who knows if that will ever happen). The County is just way to volatile to be attractive to anyone worth letting in IMO and will always be second fiddle to the metro. You have perennial power small schooling and anemic "bigger" schools like SE, the league just isn't attractive and seems to constantly be in flux. If you dropped Field that would be going the opposite direction the league seems to be moving toward. They want to get smaller not bigger. Bigger and you would want to drop field down and try to steal schools like West Branch or Alliance / Marlington/ Louisville, not STA.
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Old 01-09-19, 03:51 PM
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Letting STA in would be a huge mistake IMO. They are either down (like they are now) and worth almost nothing to the league, or they have a bubble class of recruits like a couple years ago, and they would steam roll. There is no in between. No middle of the road years where they would be good competition. Plus STA always seems like their existence is in a perpetual state of unknown and there is always talk about combining the school into other diocese (who knows if that will ever happen). The County is just way to volatile to be attractive to anyone worth letting in IMO and will always be second fiddle to the metro. You have perennial power small schooling and anemic "bigger" schools like SE, the league just isn't attractive and seems to constantly be in flux. If you dropped Field that would be going the opposite direction the league seems to be moving toward. They want to get smaller not bigger. Bigger and you would want to drop field down and try to steal schools like West Branch or Alliance / Marlington/ Louisville, not STA.

I don't share all of your same thoughts but I think you are right about the ebb and flow of the football program from now until they stop fielding a team. I think it will be famine for a couple more seasons and then I think they will have a serious uptick of nontraditional (for Aquinas) talent. I think they could become much like Chanel in the 2000s . . . an extremely small school with 15-20 athletes that can flat out play football. That would be a great combination as the D6 and D7 level does not require much more if you have decent coaching (and I think Aquinas does). I think you could see the same thing happen in basketball and, in fact, I think the new coach is planning for and building toward just that scenario. So, while that may be great news for Aquinas fans (if it comes to be -- they would still need to become attractive to quality players in Alliance and Canton -- which is no guarantee), it would make them a very frustrating league member for any small school, rural assemblage of schools.

Just my two cents, maybe three.
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Old 01-09-19, 04:13 PM
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Letting STA in would be a huge mistake IMO. They are either down (like they are now) and worth almost nothing to the league, or they have a bubble class of recruits like a couple years ago, and they would steam roll. There is no in between. No middle of the road years where they would be good competition. Plus STA always seems like their existence is in a perpetual state of unknown and there is always talk about combining the school into other diocese (who knows if that will ever happen). The County is just way to volatile to be attractive to anyone worth letting in IMO and will always be second fiddle to the metro. You have perennial power small schooling and anemic "bigger" schools like SE, the league just isn't attractive and seems to constantly be in flux. If you dropped Field that would be going the opposite direction the league seems to be moving toward. They want to get smaller not bigger. Bigger and you would want to drop field down and try to steal schools like West Branch or Alliance / Marlington/ Louisville, not STA.
Isnít that how all Small school athletics are? Sometimes they are bad, sometimes they have a great 2 classes that make them the class of the league? Very few schools around have sustained programs that just keep winning no matter who is in the school. I would agree with the exsistance always being in question for Aquinas, but I think they are a good solution for a few years until another team decides to leave, which happens in every league.
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Old 01-09-19, 06:37 PM
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Sebring named a head coach a few weeks ago - Matt Siedel, a former player
Thanks, I see itís finally being reported by local news. I wish him luck and hopefully they can get some type of revitalization as unlikely as it may be.
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Old 01-09-19, 06:46 PM
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Agree, McDonald would be good right off the 76,80 freeway.
Would love it from a McDonald standpoint, but no way theyíd ever go themselves. McDonald/Reserve/Ridge are pretty lockstep and will stick together. If there is instability within the MVAC, Iíd rather they look to the PTC schools than try itcl 2.0
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Old 01-09-19, 06:55 PM
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Isnít that how all Small school athletics are? Sometimes they are bad, sometimes they have a great 2 classes that make them the class of the league? Very few schools around have sustained programs that just keep winning no matter who is in the school. I would agree with the exsistance always being in question for Aquinas, but I think they are a good solution for a few years until another team decides to leave, which happens in every league.
If thats the way you want to take the league in a smaller direction sure. Adding STA would certainly accomplish that. You also add more instability and questions to your league. Or you drop Field down and try to bulk up the larger side of the league. You cant have it bith ways imo and both have their issues. I don't know what those areas of portage look like population wise, but i cant imagine people are flocking to these communities, so maybe the trend down is the way to go. I just tend to lean more towards size and stability.

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Old 01-13-19, 10:56 PM
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NAC will be looking for two schools, with Grand Valley leaving and Newbury schools combining with West G. No way they stay in the NAC. Ashtabula St. John would be one for some reason the NAC likes them, Leetonia is okay but I think they could do better I would prefer Newton Falls a lot closer to the teams. Newton Falls in the MVAC makes sense, I could see Newton Falls and Rootstown joining MVAC
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Old 01-14-19, 07:44 AM
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NAC will be looking for two schools, with Grand Valley leaving and Newbury schools combining with West G. No way they stay in the NAC. Ashtabula St. John would be one for some reason the NAC likes them, Leetonia is okay but I think they could do better I would prefer Newton Falls a lot closer to the teams. Newton Falls in the MVAC makes sense, I could see Newton Falls and Rootstown joining MVAC
Leetonia is going to the NAC. Rootstown is staying in the PTC. Newton Falls will have less travel in the PTC, will be able to compete in the PTC. PTC teams will bring fans. MAC does not bring fans/
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Old 01-14-19, 06:32 PM
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Leetonia is going to the NAC. Rootstown is staying in the PTC. Newton Falls will have less travel in the PTC, will be able to compete in the PTC. PTC teams will bring fans. MAC does not bring fans/
Competition wise itís a good fit for Leetonia, but those will be some long drives, especially Monday night girls basketball games instead of staying in the county in the EOAC. Add those extra travel cost to likely less ticket sales due to the travel and less rivalries.
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Old 01-14-19, 07:32 PM
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Well according to the Record Courier, Waterloo will cut busing for all high school students starting in February. Gee wonder if they considered the transportation cost they could save by rejoining the local athletic league! Maybe save enough to bus students to school, save some other educational items from being cut. Can't believe the communities of Atwater and Randolph aren't furious over this...
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Old 01-14-19, 11:00 PM
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Competition wise itís a good fit for Leetonia, but those will be some long drives, especially Monday night girls basketball games instead of staying in the county in the EOAC. Add those extra travel cost to likely less ticket sales due to the travel and less rivalries.
Thank Heaven for Route 11, I guess.
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Old 01-14-19, 11:39 PM
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That is a long jog to the north for Leetonia... So I am scratching my head here... but if it happens I won't complain, as the NAC needs members... I just wasn't expecting this one... I had circled Ashtabula St. John's... but maybe that still happens....
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Old 01-15-19, 02:24 PM
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Is any of this actually happening or just speculation/hoping?
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