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Old 03-27-16, 11:59 AM
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No, I didn't That's your assumption. My premise is that the radical Islamic reaction to US' ME policies have lead to state of affairs today. If you cannot discern the difference, that's on you.

Your judgments are completely flawed and devoid of logic and reason. You can claim mine are flawed but I've displayed a greater understanding of it all than you. With that in mind, I think it's safe to say you are ignorant of this topic and thus, completely wrong.
I see that you half edited this at 2am. Let me finish the job.

It's^ still the friggin' mess I've come to expect from you, but at least I inserted the truth and corrected the grammar.
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Old 03-27-16, 12:36 PM
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The blame game that you play in trying to pin the responsibility solely on US policies and to justify terrorists' motivation is what is devoid of reason here.

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It's that twisted " Islamism / Socialism / Leftism " correlation that is meshing together.
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Old 03-27-16, 02:40 PM
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I see that you half edited this at 2am. Let me finish the job.

It's^ still the friggin' mess I've come to expect from you, but at least I inserted the truth and corrected the grammar.
You realise it's not just the radical Muslims that have a negative opinion of America now, right? No, of course not. That doesn't fit your ridiculous narrative. In fact, we can go anywhere where in the world where the US has behaved the same way and find similar opinions, Mexico, Caribbean, C. America, S. America, etc.

I think its funny that my post got our knickers in such a twist you had to quote it twice

Grammar police

I think we can all consider this the three-count for you.

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Old 03-27-16, 02:47 PM
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What is safe to say is that this author understands the real source of the problems emanating from the Middle East:



http://thefederalist.com/2016/03/24/...slamic-terror/

The blame game that you play in trying to pin the responsibility solely on US policies and to justify terrorists' motivation is what is devoid of reason here.

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The "real" source according to you and others who are nothing more than babies, refusijg to acknowledge responsibility for your own actions. And again, you fail to concede your line of thinking in compatible with the point you want to make. If Muslims are truly the way you want them to be, they would have always hated the US. That simply is not the case. The Middle East did not have a negative view of the US until we became hostile in the ME. That's the fact, Jack.
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Old 03-27-16, 02:52 PM
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The "real" source according to you and others who are nothing more than babies, refusijg to acknowledge responsibility for your own actions. And again, you fail to concede your line of thinking in compatible with the point you want to make. If Muslims are truly the way you want them to be, they would have always hated the US. That simply is not the case. The Middle East did not have a negative view of the US until we became hostile in the ME. That's the fact, Jack.
They've always had issues with the US's support of Israel.
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Old 03-27-16, 03:53 PM
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It definitely was one of the early instigations for the shift but things didn't get bad for awhile
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Old 03-27-16, 04:27 PM
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you realise it's not just the radical muslims that have a negative opinion of america now, right? No, of course not. That doesn't fit your ridiculous narrative. In fact, we can go anywhere where in the world where the us has behaved the same way and find similar opinions, mexico, caribbean, c. America, s. America, etc.

I think its funny that my post got our knickers in such a twist you had to quote it twice

Grammar police

I think we can all consider this the three-count for you.
omg bahahahaha
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Old 03-27-16, 04:42 PM
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It definitely was one of the early instigations for the shift but things didn't get bad for awhile
And the powder keg over there wasn't nearly as lit as it's become over the past 50 years. Are you familiar with St. Thomas Aquinas philosophy of cause & effect?
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Old 03-27-16, 04:58 PM
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Indeed, it didn't become heated until the US and Soviets began making serious moves.

I was never a fan of St. Thomas. I think his philosophies were attempts to prove God's existence but while doing attempting to that, he made God immune to his reasoning.
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Old 03-27-16, 05:30 PM
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Indeed, it didn't become heated until the US and Soviets began making serious moves.

I was never a fan of St. Thomas. I think his philosophies were attempts to prove God's existence but while doing attempting to that, he made God immune to his reasoning.
Then you'd understand Correlation does not equal causation. Regardless, this is a war of ideology not based on territory or resources. ISIS wants the entire world governed under Shariah Law as do many non-radical Muslims that were pointed out in Sig's Video.

The expansion of US media to the west would have set this chain of event in motion at some point. Even the worst, most awful part of the world isn't isolated anymore.
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Old 03-27-16, 06:52 PM
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Correlation not equaling causation in a non-argument, as direct causation is almost impossible to prove. It's more of an excuse to ignore inconvenient facts than it is an appeal to reason.

I don't believe what we're experiencing today was inevitable. People in the Middle East do not hate the West because of cultural differences, like the clothes we wear, the food we eat, the TV we watch, or any of that trivial stuff. If this were really the fuel, we would see equal attempts by the extremist groups to target Asia, Australia, and S. America. That's not the case. The hate in the Middle East is fueled by other other things, mostly political in nature: government support of Israel, invasions of and wars in Muslim lands , the occupation of holy land in Saudi Arabia, perceived fleecing of the Middle East (Muslims) for economic gain, etc.

ISIS believes their strictness is an asset for recruitment, that they'll gain more followers by behaving this way. But it's not working. Muslims are fleeing from them. Their numbers really aren't growing significantly, and neither are Al Qaeda's. No matter what picture anyone wants to paint, the fact that these groups represent an extreme minority cannot be forgotten or dismissed. Even amongst those countries where the population supports Sharia Law, their favorability is extremely low.
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Old 03-27-16, 06:54 PM
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If us meddling in the ME caused the hatred and terrorist, why isn't there other religions creating terrorism? Islam is not the only religion in the ME.
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Old 03-27-16, 06:59 PM
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It's the religion of like 98% of the people there
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Old 03-27-16, 07:13 PM
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So.....?
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Old 03-27-16, 07:23 PM
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So other religions are extremely marginalized. Fighting between them is not uncommon, though.
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Old 03-27-16, 08:18 PM
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If our MEern policies caused terrorism, then non religious people along with religious people would join the fight against us. It's only radical Islamist.
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Old 03-27-16, 08:36 PM
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That's simply not true. The tiny minorities within the Muslim countries in the Middle East are marginalized. If they're going to be fighting, it's going to be against an oppressive majority, not some foreign body.
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Old 03-27-16, 09:06 PM
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..... as direct causation is almost impossible to prove......
Yet you have repeatedly denied the truths that myself and others have introduced as your reality check, while you have continually held up the notion that the US's policies in the ME are directly causative of the current extreme radicalization of Islam.

SWMCinci is correct. I think that you are a crazy person.
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Old 03-27-16, 09:08 PM
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That's simply not true. The tiny minorities within the Muslim countries in the Middle East are marginalized. If they're going to be fighting, it's going to be against an oppressive majority, not some foreign body.
No it is true, you just wish to live in a fantasy world.
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Old 03-27-16, 09:22 PM
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The "real" source according to you and others who are nothing more than babies, refusijg to acknowledge responsibility for your own actions. And again, you fail to concede your line of thinking in compatible with the point you want to make. If Muslims are truly the way you want them to be, they would have always hated the US. That simply is not the case. The Middle East did not have a negative view of the US until we became hostile in the ME. That's the fact, Jack.
What point are you attempting to make here ?
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Old 03-27-16, 09:27 PM
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The idea that Muslims inherently hate the West and are out to destroy it is not compatible with the fact that the Middle East generally held a favorable attitude toward the US until the middle of the 20th century. The reasons stated for why they now have a negative attitude are not the same that you state, the reasons are primarily political and a response to the US' continued involvement in Middle Eastern affairs.
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Old 03-27-16, 09:27 PM
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No it is true, you just wish to live in a fantasy world.
It's easier to find reasons to hate than to actually understand the truth.
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Old 03-27-16, 09:29 PM
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Yet you have repeatedly denied the truths that myself and others have introduced as your reality check, while you have continually held up the notion that the US's policies in the ME are directly causative of the current extreme radicalization of Islam.

SWMCinci is correct. I think that you are a crazy person.
You've provided nothing but ignorance.

Considering you're the one who often goes off on loony tune tangents and rants of irrelevancies, I think you'd be pegged as the crazy person around here.
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Old 03-27-16, 09:30 PM
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It's easier to find reasons to hate than to actually understand the truth.
What is the truth in your mind ?
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Old 03-27-16, 09:39 PM
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You've provided nothing but ignorance.

Considering you're the one who often goes off on loony tune tangents and rants of irrelevancies, I think you'd be pegged as the crazy person around here.
The fact that you try to deny the scope of the larger "picture" because the larger overview proves you wrong does not render my statements tangential or irrelevant.

I guess it's possible that you are unable to follow, but it seems far more likely that you are merely being disingenuous. Again.
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Old 03-27-16, 09:43 PM
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So other religions are extremely marginalized. Fighting between them is not uncommon, though.
Not at all. It's what they did for centuries. Duh
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Old 03-27-16, 09:44 PM
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It's easier to find reasons to hate than to actually understand the truth.
Not expecting you to ever understand the truth at this point.
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Old 03-27-16, 09:45 PM
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US ME policy paved the way for anti-US sentiment and has allowed the small sects of religious fanatics with political goals to gain the power and influence they have today.
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Old 03-27-16, 09:58 PM
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That's simply not true. The tiny minorities within the Muslim countries in the Middle East are marginalized. If they're going to be fighting, it's going to be against an oppressive majority, not some foreign body.
is this how you define "marginalized"?

http://www.breitbart.com/national-se...r-beyond-isis/ ; http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ca-middle-east ; http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/11...an-decade.html ; http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/17/world/...secution-2015/

Whose fault is this situation, anyway ? Ours ?

Darn oppressive Christian majorities over there
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Old 03-27-16, 10:04 PM
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US ME policy paved the way for anti-US sentiment and has allowed the small sects of religious fanatics with political goals to gain the power and influence they have today.
So, it would then be your claim that these extreme elements would never have risen to prominence without outside involvement ? Do I have that correct ?
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