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Old 07-11-18, 08:21 PM
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Let me get this straight, Democrats aren't for tariffs because they are hurting the farmers....but want to get rid of farm subsidies??
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Old 07-11-18, 08:43 PM
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Let me get this straight, Democrats aren't for tariffs because they are hurting the farmers....but want to get rid of farm subsidies??
You are a dim bulb. Just watch hannity and stop posting. Others can articulate Hannity better than you.
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Old 07-11-18, 09:02 PM
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I haven't watch Fox in a few days, did I strike a nerve?
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Old 07-11-18, 09:33 PM
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that would be very sad but i believe in free trade and fair trade. We should not allow untariffed goods into our country from countries which impose tariffs on our goods. It is as simple as that. Add to that the criminal theft of intellectual property and technologies by china and you find us where we are today.

The nation and its farmers and industrial workers will be better off in the long run.
bingo!!!!!
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Old 07-11-18, 09:35 PM
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Seems Trump's tariff war might be bringing in positive results. German Chancellor Merkel has indicated she is willing to lower tariffs on US auto imports. Right now the EU tariff is 10% on all US cars. The US tariff on imported European cars is 2.5%. My question: How and why did we allow this imbalance of tariffs to happen in the first place? It seems we have done this time and time again.
because MOST Politicians never HAVE run a business..... they don't have a CLUE on how it works
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Old 07-11-18, 09:40 PM
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It would probably be more effective to have someone educate the President. He is batship crazy and half the time not using facts. Blowing up Germany and destroying NATO and all of our trade alliances is going to be devastating.
so you are for the pipeline that runs from Russia to Germany and will give the Germans 70% of their natural gas?

and you are for 24 of the 29 Nato (?) countries not paying their FAIR (LIBERAL TERM) Share? so that the American Tax payers can cover them?
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Old 07-11-18, 10:13 PM
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so you are for the pipeline that runs from Russia to Germany and will give the Germans 70% of their natural gas?

and you are for 24 of the 29 Nato (?) countries not paying their FAIR (LIBERAL TERM) Share? so that the American Tax payers can cover them?
Come on, you know the answer to that. He is for anything that is anti-Trump. It doesn't get any more complicated than that. He is willing to have his life ruined over anything that makes Trump look like a successful President...
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Old 07-11-18, 11:25 PM
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so you are for the pipeline that runs from Russia to Germany and will give the Germans 70% of their natural gas?
I'm against it but I'm pretty sure this is one of those business decisions you mentioned a couple posts back,


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and you are for 24 of the 29 Nato (?) countries not paying their FAIR (LIBERAL TERM) Share? so that the American Tax payers can cover them?
If those 24 countries were to increase their defense spending to 2% of their GDP would the US be able to decrease our NATO spending and put the savings towards the deficit? I'll give you a hint: the answer to that rhymes with know.
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Old 07-12-18, 02:46 AM
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Especially read where 1 in 3 soybeans grown in the US are sold to China.

If you don't think tariffs are going to effect farm prices in a negative way, you're either an idiot or you have your head so far up Trumps a** you can't smell what he is cooking.
So where will China go to replace all of those soybeans that you're convinced they won't buy from the U.S. at a premium? The hit to U.S. soybean prices will be short-lived as soon as China decides how they will fulfill their need for soybeans. Either China will pay us the premium and prices will recover, or we will get good prices into South America to replace the beans China pays a premium for there.
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Old 07-12-18, 06:07 AM
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Blowing up Germany and destroying NATO and all of our trade alliances is going to be devastating.
When no one is devastated will you feel a little bit stupid?
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Old 07-12-18, 06:25 AM
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happy,
Breathlessly awaiting your spin on the NATO meeting.
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Old 07-12-18, 06:48 AM
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happy,
Breathlessly awaiting your spin on the NATO meeting.
It is a TV show. He creates a bunch of waves, tells a bunch of lies and declares he solved the issue. Meanwhile he denigrates the Alliance and embarrasses the US (did you see Kelly...and yes it had nothing to do with breakfast...how humiliating it must be to be Trumps SoS)

Watch now he will go to Russia and fawn over Putin. It undermines our allies, EU and democracy....although I do want to see him look up at the Baby Blimp in the sky.
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Old 07-12-18, 07:26 AM
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When no one is devastated will you feel a little bit stupid?
please ADD the word LESS to that sentence
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Old 07-12-18, 07:28 AM
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It is a TV show. He creates a bunch of waves, tells a bunch of lies and declares he solved the issue. Meanwhile he denigrates the Alliance and embarrasses the US (did you see Kelly...and yes it had nothing to do with breakfast...how humiliating it must be to be Trumps SoS)

Watch now he will go to Russia and fawn over Putin. It undermines our allies, EU and democracy....although I do want to see him look up at the Baby Blimp in the sky.
so him getting into the GERMANS face for excepting all that Natural Gas was a GOOD THING for his relationship with Putin?
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Old 07-12-18, 07:30 AM
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I'm against it but I'm pretty sure this is one of those business decisions you mentioned a couple posts back,




If those 24 countries were to increase their defense spending to 2% of their GDP would the US be able to decrease our NATO spending and put the savings towards the deficit? I'll give you a hint: the answer to that rhymes with know.
no , each country is set up to GIVE to NATO, while the USA has done their FAIR share...other countries have NOT been giving their FAIR share
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Old 07-12-18, 07:30 AM
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These tariffs are making for great buying opportunity for the end user here in America. Who knew there would be a 20% off sale on grains this summer?

I am sure this downturn will cause many farmers to throw in the towel, but many others will get the opportunity to expand their operation and better utilize technology. A bad stretch for all farmers has always meant a stronger breed emerges from the stress and goes on to enjoy several years of good times until the next obstacle , rinse and repeat.

For farmers who hedged this years production on the CBOT , they are doing just fine.
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Old 07-12-18, 07:39 AM
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it is a tv show. He creates a bunch of waves, tells a bunch of lies and declares he solved the issue. Meanwhile he denigrates the alliance and embarrasses the us ...
maga
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Old 07-12-18, 08:49 AM
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Let me get this straight, Democrats aren't for tariffs because they are hurting the farmers....but want to get rid of farm subsidies??
Funny right?

Hypocrisy everywhere these days. People try to put folks in boxes with labels when in fact politics is an every changing flow.

Watch all the lap dog Dems who were for all this when Bernie was preaching it are now against it since it is Trump's move. Same can be said for all the free market capitalists that preach about competition being great when it comes to all things all of sudden praising Trump's move. It sure is fun watching all the media automatons flip-flop their stance the one they were against several years ago.
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Old 07-12-18, 10:37 AM
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flip-flop their stance the one they were against several years ago.
Several years ago? More like several minutes ago.

We've always been at war with EastAsia.
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Old 07-12-18, 11:57 AM
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(did you see Kelly...and yes it had nothing to do with breakfast...how humiliating it must be to be Trumps SoS)
Did I miss something? Is Kelly now the Secretary of State (SoS)?

I feel like this would have made the news or something.
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Old 07-13-18, 11:02 PM
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Funny right?

Hypocrisy everywhere these days. People try to put folks in boxes with labels when in fact politics is an every changing flow.

Watch all the lap dog Dems who were for all this when Bernie was preaching it are now against it since it is Trump's move. Same can be said for all the free market capitalists that preach about competition being great when it comes to all things all of sudden praising Trump's move. It sure is fun watching all the media automatons flip-flop their stance the one they were against several years ago.
It's not competition when we charge a small tariff on their product coming in but get charged a large tariff for our products going out. It's not competition when dealing with trading partners with much laxer regulation, labor laws etc. The tariffs aren't meant to be the new normal. It's negotiation. If our partners come to the table and negotiate in good faith the tariffs go away.

What you see as hypocrisy is your lack of understanding the situation.
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Old 07-14-18, 03:15 AM
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It's not competition when we charge a small tariff on their product coming in but get charged a large tariff for our products going out. It's not competition when dealing with trading partners with much laxer regulation, labor laws etc. The tariffs aren't meant to be the new normal. It's negotiation. If our partners come to the table and negotiate in good faith the tariffs go away.

What you see as hypocrisy is your lack of understanding the situation.
What happens if those "partners" don't come to the table? Trump might be really good at cancelling agreements but if you haven't noticed the guy hasn't negotiated a darn thing as President in 1 1/2 years.

Hypocrisy is knocking democrats for socialism but being okay with the general public paying higher taxes in the form of tariffs so a designated group can prosper.
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Old 07-14-18, 03:48 AM
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You are a dim bulb. Just watch hannity and stop posting. Others can articulate Hannity better than you.
Says the dumb liberal who doesn't realize that tariffs are a fundamentally liberal policy.
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Old 07-14-18, 05:13 AM
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Says the dumb liberal who doesn't realize that tariffs are a fundamentally liberal policy.
Yes they are, these tariffs are something that Bernie Sanders would come up with.
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Old 07-14-18, 06:24 AM
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Says the dumb liberal who doesn't realize that tariffs are a fundamentally liberal policy.
How so?
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Old 07-14-18, 07:26 AM
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How so?
History.
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Old 07-14-18, 07:35 AM
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History.
Ok. Were the founders liberal? How about Abraham Lincoln?
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Old 07-14-18, 07:49 AM
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no , each country is set up to GIVE to NATO, while the USA has done their FAIR share...other countries have NOT been giving their FAIR share
Complete misunderstanding of NATO "dues."

We do want NATO countries to increase their military budgets so we have stronger partners. The 2% is a number/goal we came up with, that they pledged to achieve. They also host forward bases all over Europe, fought and died at our request in wars we started, defending US interests real or imagined, many times in recent decades. Moreso than vice versa.

The problem is Trump's style, being an "expert negotiator", is to demean and ridicule, make up facts, lie, and treat partners as enemies and enemies as partners. Maybe that works in real estate, idk. But internationally he is seen as ignorant, ungrateful, and untrustworthy. A national embarrassment and international joke to be ridiculed. Great job.
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Old 07-14-18, 08:07 AM
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, fought and died at our request in wars we started, defending US interests real or imagined, many times in recent decades. Moreso than vice versa.
1. WWII kind of trumps (hahaha) everything you wrote.

2. If we had not created NATO much of Western Europe would have been swallowed up or controlled by the Soviet Union a long time ago.

3. NATO has always been much more about defending Western Europe that the USA.

4. If the European members of NATO did not agree they could have left at any time. Instead it has grown from 12 to 29 members, and a few more want in.

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idk.
Exactly.
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Old 07-14-18, 08:12 AM
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Complete misunderstanding of NATO "dues."

We do want NATO countries to increase their military budgets so we have stronger partners. The 2% is a number/goal we came up with, that they pledged to achieve. They also host forward bases all over Europe, fought and died at our request in wars we started, defending US interests real or imagined, many times in recent decades. Moreso than vice versa.

The problem is Trump's style, being an "expert negotiator", is to demean and ridicule, make up facts, lie, and treat partners as enemies and enemies as partners. Maybe that works in real estate, idk. But internationally he is seen as ignorant, ungrateful, and untrustworthy. A national embarrassment and international joke to be ridiculed. Great job.
Exactly what war or wars did the US start in Europa? When you make posts like these it doesn’t help you make sensical points
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