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Old 08-04-18, 06:33 PM
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If Meyer did report it, OSU as an institution may be in some hot water.
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Old 08-04-18, 06:37 PM
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If Meyer did report it, OSU as an institution may be in some hot water.
Why?
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Old 08-04-18, 06:38 PM
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Old 08-04-18, 06:40 PM
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If Meyer did report it, OSU as an institution may be in some hot water.
Unless the incident was reported and investigated by the police department and it ended there. Happens every day. At that point what does OSU and or Meyer do ? Especially if this scenario repeated itself over and over.
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Old 08-04-18, 06:42 PM
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Unless the incident was reported and investigated by the police department and it ended there. Happens every day.
If true, sounds like the university didnt investigate properly which ultimately kept a serial woman abuser on staff.
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Old 08-04-18, 06:46 PM
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If true, sounds like the university didnt investigate properly.
Should the university then investigate the police department investigation after following procedure ?
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Old 08-04-18, 06:47 PM
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Title 9 investigations arent solely conducted by the police....
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Old 08-04-18, 06:51 PM
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What should they have done? Police declined to press charges. I'd say it's reasonable for OSU officials to defer to what law enforcement decides in matters of criminal behavior. In fact I'd say it's the prudent thing to do.

Once charges were brought, he was fired immediately. If you'd have liked him to be fired earlier, speak to the Powell PD and/or his wife who declined to press charges.
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Old 08-04-18, 07:05 PM
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What should they have done? Police declined to press charges. I'd say it's reasonable for OSU officials to defer to what law enforcement decides in matters of criminal behavior. In fact I'd say it's the prudent thing to do.

Once charges were brought, he was fired immediately. If you'd have liked him to be fired earlier, speak to the Powell PD and/or his wife who declined to press charges.
From what I understand is that they renewed his contract at least twice since 2015. If they knew that there was a potential issue, they could have simply chose not to renew his contract. It then comes down to a moral issue versus a criminal one...
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Old 08-05-18, 12:12 AM
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What should they have done? Police declined to press charges. I'd say it's reasonable for OSU officials to defer to what law enforcement decides in matters of criminal behavior. In fact I'd say it's the prudent thing to do.

Once charges were brought, he was fired immediately. If you'd have liked him to be fired earlier, speak to the Powell PD and/or his wife who declined to press charges.
I'm not trying to make any claims to what happened on these incidents, but with my background in LE I can say it's not usually the police that refuse to press charges in DV cases. One, if there were visible marks Ohio law states the aggressor should be arrested. Sometimes the primary aggressor can't be determined at which point you try to have them go their opposite ways for the evening and turn things over to the prosecutor. There's also the option for the alleged victim to sign charges which are then arrestable.

Arrest in no way means a conviction. Matter fact I'd say only about 1-10 in my experience got a conviction or some type of agreement. It's not because the prosecution or police refused to take the case to court, it's because the victim refused to follow through with the charges for whatever reason. Yes, the prosecution can still try the case. But try getting up in front of a judge/jury without a victim as much as confirming photos from the incident or statements are actually them. I've even seen victims get on the stand and take the alleged abusers side when it was an open and shut case in terms of what happened at the time of the incident. So the prosecution drops the charges due to lack of victim cooperation.

Again, this is not trying to claim any of this happened in case of the Smiths.

Also, police can't just release info to OSU or any other employer. The can, by law, provide them with the same information available to anyone else during an open records search.

The things being reported about Powell PD's dealings with both sides and possibly the university appear to be so unethical I find them hard to believe. If it were a couple things...sure I can see it. To believe they just stopped responding to 911 calls would cost every single person with knowledge their jobs and most likely felony charges by the Attorney General.
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Old 08-06-18, 10:52 AM
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Mentor and brianwr are going to be VERY rattled if Urban is coaching this year
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Old 08-06-18, 11:44 AM
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What are your impressions of Gene Smith?
A lot better than most posters on this site.

You can't just take a case like this and choose what level of responsible party you want to stop at. There are two ways to approach it, anything else is just bias.

1. Responsibility stops with the person committing the crime. At this point we don't even know if Zack Smith is really a criminal or not. We have accusations from an ex-wife.

2. Responsibility stops at the level the reporting went to. Basically - who didn't do their job of kicking it upstream.

Number 1 needs to be settled before moving on to number 2.
I sure hope the university doesn't fire a good coach (or AD) over a 'maybe happened'.
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Old 08-06-18, 12:24 PM
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Mentor and brianwr are going to be VERY rattled if Urban is coaching this year
Rattled? Urban staying at OSU actually probably helps me in terms of the team I root for. If he's a FA someone in the SEC will say screw his past and give him another shot.
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Old 08-07-18, 11:10 AM
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You seem pretty rattled already
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Old 08-11-18, 09:04 AM
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Old 08-14-18, 10:43 AM
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Urban will be a perfect fit for when there is a Lewis/Bengals separation!
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Old 08-14-18, 11:27 AM
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If Urban is fired, I want the HC at Iowa State
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Old 08-19-18, 03:01 AM
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It's Sunday morning,all the info is in and time for a verdict.Will it be a slap in the hand or the hammer...BAM!
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Old 08-20-18, 11:35 AM
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HBO should have immediately stopped Hard Knocks in Cleveland and moved down the road to Columbus...now there would be must see TV!
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Old 08-22-18, 08:14 PM
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Urban Meyer lives!

3 game suspension and 3 games without pay.
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Old 08-24-18, 02:57 AM
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HBO should have immediately stopped Hard Knocks in Cleveland and moved down the road to Columbus...now there would be must see TV!
Nice attempt of being funny
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Old 08-24-18, 05:55 AM
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3 game suspension and 3 games without pay.
Thats sure a lot of cash...
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Old 08-24-18, 08:30 AM
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Thats sure a lot of cash...
Yeah at over 7 million per year, then with this........ you deduct the 3 games pay from that amount.
This won't be on the cheap by any means.

Urban needs to see this should be a STERN LESSON LEARNED on public relations and the such, put this behind him and just try to move forward positively.
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Old 08-24-18, 08:38 AM
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Thats sure a lot of cash...
I wonder if he could pop into a broadcast booth freelance style and pick up a few coins ?
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Old 08-24-18, 08:43 AM
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Yeah at over 7 million per year, then with this........ you deduct the 3 games pay from that amount.
This won't be on the cheap by any means.

Urban needs to see this should be a STERN LESSON LEARNED on public relations and the such, put this behind him and just try to move forward positively.
This whole charade is a clown show, but I guess he brought it on himself.

Regardless, in his shoes, I would not be the least bit apologetic if things are as I have heard. So many fools are wound up based on half of the story. F__ em. Id be every bit as arrogant and unrepentant. Hold your ground and stand tall.
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Old 08-24-18, 03:18 PM
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This whole charade is a clown show, but I guess he brought it on himself.
The more that comes to light with this whole thing the more I firmly believe we'll never really know what actually went down here.
Just imagine the happenings between those 2 that we don't even know about ?? talk about volatile.
If you ask me BOTH Coach Smith (fired) AND his wife are probably are "pieces of work".... characters for sure.

You're right though, this whole thing has been quite the charade with ole Urban Meyer right in the middle tasked with policing this mess.
Hiring Smith in the first place was a colossal mistake, dominoes fell from there.....
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Old 08-28-18, 02:06 PM
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This whole charade is a clown show, but I guess he brought it on himself.

Regardless, in his shoes, I would not be the least bit apologetic if things are as I have heard. So many fools are wound up based on half of the story. F__ em. Id be every bit as arrogant and unrepentant. Hold your ground and stand tall.
I'm ok with that, just please stop with any future talk about being a "leader of men" and "respect of women". Just say I'm here to coach football and get you ready for the NFL. I don't care about morals or ethics. If I don't see it, it didn't happen. A least that would be honest. Urban has a hard time ever distancing himself from this.
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Old 08-28-18, 02:18 PM
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Who knew 14red was a SJW
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Old 08-28-18, 04:32 PM
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I'm ok with that, just please stop with any future talk about being a "leader of men" and "respect of women". Just say I'm here to coach football and get you ready for the NFL. I don't care about morals or ethics. If I don't see it, it didn't happen. A least that would be honest. Urban has a hard time ever distancing himself from this.
You hear any Joe Mixon stories lately?
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Old 08-29-18, 10:29 AM
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You hear any Joe Mixon stories lately?
Did Joe Mixon go to Ohio State? Was Mixon a coach? The face of a program and university?
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