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Old 11-01-17, 09:39 AM
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TCL (Toledo City League) 2017-2018

Any predictions, comments, surprises for this year?

Last year's finish:

Toledo Bowsher 10 - 0
Toledo Rogers 6 - 4
Toledo Waite 5 - 5
Toledo Start 4 - 6
Toledo Woodward 4 - 6
Toledo Scott 1 - 9
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Old 11-01-17, 01:27 PM
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I know Rogers and Waite have some nice players coming back.

Bowsher lost a very talented Sr class.

Start came out hot last year, but fizzled in league play. What do they do they have coming back?

Not sure about Woodward and Scott, except the 1 game I saw Scott they looked better than their record.
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Old 11-04-17, 04:58 PM
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Who does Waite have coming back?
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Old 11-04-17, 07:35 PM
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Rogers is loaded with young talent, hope the sidelines is the downfall again.
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Old 11-05-17, 12:49 PM
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Who does Waite have coming back?
Lost Ronnie Sanders. What about the transfer from Scott last year? PG? Banks? The Leach kid returns. 6'4" ish. Good frame.
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Old 11-05-17, 04:44 PM
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Rogers is loaded with young talent, hope the sidelines is the downfall again.
Pretty sure they hired one of the player's dads (a former Scott assistant) as the new coach. It should be interesting. I wouldn't be shocked if they get a few nice transfers in the next year as this guy coached a really, really good youth select team a few years back. The kids stuck together at Scott in junior high and then split to a few places going into high school. I see a reunion coming in the near future at Rogers with transfers coming in from a couple parochial schools.

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Lost Ronnie Sanders. What about the transfer from Scott last year? PG? Banks? The Leach kid returns. 6'4" ish. Good frame.
Still have Banks in addition to Leech. I'd expect Waite to have a pretty nice team.
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Old 11-05-17, 07:50 PM
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6'4"? For Waite, that's tall. Tallest since Natasha Howard on the girl's team. We usually like to keep them under 6 foot. If lockers haven't been remodeled since last I saw one, that's probably why. Space limitations.

Rogers, thats how they built the girls team wasn't it? Coach from Deveaux took the Start kids with him?
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Old 11-05-17, 08:03 PM
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It's been a while, but I believe you are correct.

It's interesting how in City hoops fortunes have a tendency to change like that. A few years ago I figured Scott would be loaded with sophomores this year and looking like a serious threat for the foreseeable future.
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Old 11-07-17, 10:55 AM
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Still have Banks in addition to Leech. I'd expect Waite to have a pretty nice team.
Those two will be tough. Banks will be a very good scorer. Leach looks like classic 3 man, but has had to play the 5 because of Waite's lack of size.

Whatever happened to the huge lineman for Waite, 6'6"-6'7" 270+? Don't think he played basketball last year, but was real solid the year before.
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Old 11-07-17, 03:22 PM
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I believe he signed with a JUCO in Kansas for football.
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Old 11-22-17, 02:43 PM
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Rogers is loaded with young talent, hope the sidelines is the downfall again.
Did the real good freshman transfer to Start prior to the season?
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Old 11-28-17, 10:04 AM
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I saw Bowsher scrimmage Stritch. 10 minute quarters with a running clock.

1st 18-9 Stritch
2nd 17-12 Stritch
3rd 23-13 Stritch
4th 15-14 Stritch
5th 10-8 Bowsher

Bowsher has some speed and quickness along with some good size, but just were not clicking yet. They should get better as they gain experience.
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Old 11-28-17, 11:07 AM
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Did the real good freshman transfer to Start prior to the season?
I spoke with Big Earl Friday as he's involved with the Rogers middle school teams and he told me Rogers lost at least 10 younger kids to transfers to all different schools.
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Old 11-28-17, 11:55 AM
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Saw Start, Rogers, Woodward and Waite at scrimmages over the past few weeks.

Observations
Start is undersized but tenacious on defense. Relentless pressuring of the ball kept them in several games against superior competition.

Waite besides Banks they have a big who was athletic and could score and rebound but not much else. Teams may do what I saw double team Banks and force others to make decisions.

Rogers easily the most talented team in the City League they played a tough Detroit team that beat them for Summer league championship. They were down early but came back and defended and won. Curious to see how the Smith and Smith connection works out. Their first game first v. SJJ will be doozy. Smith may not be physical enough to handle Williams.

Woodward has CJ and that kids has a motor, they also are undersized with biggest player only 6'2 maybe. Coach Knabbs has a ton of speed and guards with talent. May take them a while to gel but they will contend for title at the end.
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Old 11-28-17, 12:10 PM
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Did the real good freshman transfer to Start prior to the season?
I saw he was supposed to go, then I saw his dad was made the head coach. No idea how/what happened, but that's all I know.
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Old 12-01-17, 08:53 AM
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Blade - Coaches Picks;

1. Waite
2. Rogers
3. Start
4. Woodward
5. Bowsher
6. Scott

Bowsher lost in OT to Perrysburg last night. Not a bad showing for an rebuilding team.
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Old 12-04-17, 02:55 PM
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Saw the SJJ vs Rogers game. Vincent Williams was the best player on the floor by far. However the 2nd best only play a quarter and a half before getting injured. #10 Desean Nelson was by far the most athletic and brought a physical presence that Rogers sorely needed. Once he went out no one competed in the paint or on the board. Christian Smith looked tentative and afraid to venture against Williams.

SJJ will get better with Ryan Christie when he is eligible to play. Rogers needs Wyatt to run point. Someone to make better decisions and set the team up.
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Old 01-08-18, 11:16 AM
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http://www.davey1.com/Schedules/LeagueStandings.pdf

Toledo City Athletic League
Toledo Rogers 3 - 8 3 - 0
Toledo Start 7 - 3 2 - 1
Toledo Waite 6 - 3 2 - 1
Toledo Bowsher 4 - 5 1 - 2
Toledo Scott 1 - 7 1 - 2
Toledo Woodward 1 - 11 0 - 3

Rogers is so talented. On BCSN they said that they have a couple transfers who should be able to play after sitting 11 games. They should not lose to Rossford with or without the transfers.

Start and Waite still in the mix. Bowsher could sneak up on someone too.
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Old 01-15-18, 10:53 AM
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City League

League Overall
Rogers 3-0 3-8
Start 2-1 7-3
Waite 2-1 7-3
Bowsher 1-2 4-6
Scott 1-2 1-7
Woodward 0-3 1-11
SCORING LEADERS

G PTS AVG
Carl Banks, Waite 10 253 25.3
Christian Smith, Rogers 11 195 17.7
Charles Robinson III, Woodward 10 148 14.8
Devin Williams, Start 10 134 13.4
Markus Ray, Bowsher 10 125 12.5
Da’Sean Nelson, Rogers 10 124 12.4
Ajai Washington, Bowsher 10 123 12.3
Keyshawn Leach, Waite 9 98 10.9
Eugene Towbridge, Scott 8 83 10.4
Mark Randall, Waite 9 87 9.7
Dominique Booth, Waite 10 95 9.5
Alex Perry, Start 10 93 9.3
REBOUNDING LEADERS

G RBS AVG
Keyshawn Leach, Waite 9 110 12.2
Markus Ray, Bowsher 10 89 8.9
Charles Robinson III, Woodward 10 75 7.5
Da’Sean Nelson, Rogers 10 73 7.3
Dewayne Wells, Waite 9 63 7.0
Jordan Hayward, Rogers 11 75 6.8
Shawn Hoskins, Bowsher 10 67 6.7
Craig Wilson, Scott 8 53 6.6
Jordan Copeland, Woodward 11 65 5.9
Alex Perry, Start 10 56 5.6
Ajai Washington, Bowsher 10 55 5.5
Eugene Towbridge, Scott 8 43 5.4
Trent Harris, Start 10 50 5.0
Christian Smith, Rogers 11 55 5.0
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Old 01-15-18, 05:55 PM
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Like football, seems mostly balanced. City league, winner so much depends upon real life these days, who has got all their players, how the private life is going. Really have to leave the area, even to a point the past the burbs to find anything recognizable as team ball for more than 50% of the possessions but still see great efforts and desires to win.

Who here knows the talent? Any of them have chances at DI, DII?
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Old 01-16-18, 01:26 PM
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Who here knows the talent? Any of them have chances at DI, DII?
I like the Nelson kid at Rogers. I think he is a soph. 6'4"-6'5" with a ton of athletic ability to go along with solid skill set. He will be interesting to watch develop.

I'm sure there are others, but I like his game.
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Old 01-16-18, 01:50 PM
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Really have to leave the area, even to a point the past the burbs to find anything recognizable as team ball for more than 50% of the possessions ...
This is what makes me so sad. Where are the folks teaching the kids the game? There is more than enough athleticism in town to produce some quality players, but their ability to actually play the game as a part of a team is what is lacking.

Is it AAU? Is it parents? What is it?
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Old 01-16-18, 05:51 PM
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Coaching.


A definition of "learning" is "changed behavior." So many are teaching "facts." Not to ignore all the things that get in the way but in any kind of teaching, sometimes it's both knowing the subject and having the will-power to hold your ground, the ability to explain the importance of the subject matter regardless the student wants to learn it and hold your ground like faith.

All opinion of course. I enjoy watching coaches for what I learn from them, about teaching. Who else does that on a stage like a coach?

Best I ever saw, which includes many years of the "best coaching" talents the city produces and some pretty good college coaches, was Coach P at Waite. He reminds me so much of Coach Keady, with better hair and infinite more court patience. Twice he took a program that accomplished little, was able to find a way to change the character of the kids to get them to play team ball at a consistent level, usually with nowhere near the raw talent of teams he beat.

I really look forward to watching his tree, McDonald and Wortham.
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Old 01-17-18, 11:36 AM
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Waite star Carl Banks will be arraigned today for aggravated robbery. The robbery resulted in a murder. Very sad.

http://www.toledoblade.com/Courts/20...-homicide.html
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Waite star Carl Banks will be arraigned today for aggravated robbery. The robbery resulted in a murder. Very sad.

http://www.toledoblade.com/Courts/20...-homicide.html
This is insane.
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Old 01-18-18, 05:21 AM
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That area near the park, little segments of neighborhoods off both sides of Nararre, seems to be having a thing. I think there's a connect the dots, with other shootings thoughout the south and northsides. Not close enough to know for sure though. Could be coincidental.
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Waite star Carl Banks will be arraigned today for aggravated robbery. The robbery resulted in a murder. Very sad.

http://www.toledoblade.com/Courts/20...-homicide.html
Reminds me of Ray Williams from Benedictine years ago. Lives ruined or ended over pure stupidity.

Please kids, be wary of whom you hang out with and please make better decisions...sad.
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