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Old 10-27-17, 02:42 PM
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The only number that matters to businesses in the end is the bottom line. And the bottom line is that the NFL will almost certainly set a record for revenue in 2017.
For now but how about in a few years when the TV renegotiation's take place? As others have pointed out the kneeling is only one of several significant problems the NFL faces. Their business is in trouble no matter what the revenue numbers say for this year.
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Old 10-27-17, 02:49 PM
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For now but how about in a few years when the TV renegotiation's take place? As others have pointed out the kneeling is only one of several significant problems the NFL faces. Their business is in trouble no matter what the revenue numbers say for this year.
Two things can be true at the same time...

1) The NFL has problems that need addressing.
2) Their business as a whole is not in trouble.
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Old 10-27-17, 03:01 PM
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No my 25 - 50% number was an estimate of how many folks were mad at the NFL and likely to take some action in response. Now that action could be as little as not watching Thursday night football or not spending hundreds of dollars on NFL merchandise at Christmas but still watching their team play on TV to completely forsaking the NFL.

This is going to be a process in which the 25 - 50% of folks ANGERED at the players disrespecting the anthem/flag either edge further away from the NFL or get over it and come back as consumers of NFL products. My bet is a clear majority of this group will not come back as avid fans. Sure they may watch the local team play, especially in big games, but their passion and wallet will be largely closed to the NFL.
You clearly said the NFL is losing half their customers. Can you at least be honest about that? From there you can admit you were wrong and finish walking back your comment.

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It's good to go through life being optimistic and I'm sure the NFL is just thrilled with that little internal. Bu t the 52% who don't like it would be a problem for most business except I guess for the magical NFL where losing half your customers is no big deal. Hell in the NFL's eyes I guess they see it as their customers loss!
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Old 10-27-17, 03:02 PM
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Two things can be true at the same time...

1) The NFL has problems that need addressing.
2) Their business as a whole is not in trouble.
The NFL has a lot of long term issues, the anthem thing isn't one of them.
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Old 10-27-17, 03:17 PM
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The NFL has a lot of long term issues, the anthem thing isn't one of them.
The ONLY way the "anthem thing" is NOT a long term problem for the NFL is if the kneeling stops and/or the NFL suspends those players who continue to kneel. if the kneeling continues, even by a small minority of players, and the NFL does nothing in response then this becomes an even deeper and more serious problem then it is today.
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Old 10-27-17, 03:36 PM
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It likely will die out, as it already has started to do in the last few weeks. Basically only 2 teams are doing it now, amounting to fewer than 25 players in total (1.3% of the total players in the league.)

Meanwhile, the arrest rate for NFL players is approximately 3 times that.
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Old 10-27-17, 04:08 PM
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It likely will die out, as it already has started to do in the last few weeks. Basically only 2 teams are doing it now, amounting to fewer than 25 players in total (1.3% of the total players in the league.)

Meanwhile, the arrest rate for NFL players is approximately 3 times that.
I'm sure your average NFL fan is calculating the % of players taking a knee down to the decimal point, especially given the coverage it still is receiving.

And while you may be right about this dying down it could also resurface with a vengeance the next time a police officer shoots an unarmed (or armed it doesn't seem to matter to these folks) black man. Or maybe the BLM and Soros agitators will see that it's dying down and choose to reignite the flame. Or maybe our Twitter in Chief decides to launch a broad side. Bottom line the expectation that this will die down is not a given.
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Old 10-27-17, 04:16 PM
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I'm sure your average NFL fan is calculating the % of players taking a knee down to the decimal point, especially given the coverage it still is receiving.
I definitely agree the average person who's furious about the kneeling has no perception of its scale.

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Or maybe our Twitter in Chief decides to launch a broad side. Bottom line the expectation that this will die down is not a given.
You're right here. The only time the kneeling became truly widespread was in response to the President interjecting himself into the issue. I'd imagine he'll do everything he can to keep the issue alive, it's nice red meat for his base.
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Old 10-27-17, 07:10 PM
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The ONLY way the "anthem thing" is NOT a long term problem for the NFL is if the kneeling stops and/or the NFL suspends those players who continue to kneel. if the kneeling continues, even by a small minority of players, and the NFL does nothing in response then this becomes an even deeper and more serious problem then it is today.
Nah, itíll just blow over. Those guys care more about football than this silly boycott.
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Old 10-29-17, 07:22 AM
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Any kind of diversion for his money laundering and brain rust...BAM!
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Old 11-01-17, 11:42 AM
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Protest is affecting Papa John's bottom line.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...nthem-protests

Is it affecting Busdwesier? Pizza and beer are complementary goods watching a football game.
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Old 11-08-17, 12:13 PM
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Protest is affecting Papa John's bottom line.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...nthem-protests

Is it affecting Busdwesier? Pizza and beer are complementary goods watching a football game.
NFL protest has energized some Papa John's customers:

http://www.newsweek.com/papa-johns-t...pie-alt-702296
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Old 11-09-17, 09:43 AM
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NFL protest has energized some Papa John's customers:

http://www.newsweek.com/papa-johns-t...pie-alt-702296
Wow, that headline looks like something straight out of the Onion! I mean the courage of papa Johns to tell NAZIS - Don't you dare eat our pizza! So what's next a commercial with Payton Manning as a brave GI Joe punching a Hitler look alike as he tries to buy a veggie pizza. I can see the tagline now: "Papa Johns, great pizza and we don't serve NAZIS".

Meanwhile in other news NFL ratings continue to drop and the more sober folks who run Papa Johns are wondering if they're getting their moneys worth out of their sponsorship.
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Old 11-09-17, 10:04 AM
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The Pizza Hut & Digiorno response to Papa Johns over this was pretty funny.

I wonder if Papa Johns has considered their sales are struggling because their pizza sucks and is more expensive that their most direct competitors?
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Old 11-09-17, 03:04 PM
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Veterans Day weekend lookout NFL...BAM!:
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Old 11-09-17, 03:40 PM
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Two things can be true at the same time...

1) The NFL has problems that need addressing.
2) Their business as a whole is not in trouble.
I completely agree with this. The NFL, for all of it warts this season, is still top dog among American sports. And it's really not even close.
Baseball has become regional. Baseball has their own issues with pace of play and baseballs being juiced, etc. Basketball has made maybe a few strides, but largely, basketball is still and urban game and fans reside in big cities. Basketball changes its rules so fast that they fans can't keep up with the style of play. Many are simply infatuated with the triple double, and that is the worst way to play basketball. Where one guy dominates the ball and it turns into 5 one on one games.

Football just needs to clean up it's processes and also decide if it's going to be involved in social issues or not. The national anthem issue with Kaepernik was handled poorly last year, and the effects are still being felt today. The league needed to come down on him hard last year, send a message that this was not acceptable and we'd be alot futher along. Owner's own, players play and that's the way it has to be. Players don't get paid because we care what their stance is on social issues.
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