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Old 10-03-18, 01:37 PM
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And here's TOM's 141 and 149 for the top four teams:

PSU 141 Lee #4, 149 NR
tOSU 141 McKenna #2, 149 Jordan #2
OKST 141 Brock #5, Lewallen #5
IOWA 141 Murin #11, 149 Lugo #7
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Old 10-03-18, 01:42 PM
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And here's TOM's top 8 Ohio and affiliates for 125-149:

125
none
133
3 Tariq Wilson NC State
4 Luke Pletcher Ohio State
141
2 Joey McKenna Ohio State
149
1 Matt Kolodzik Princeton
2 Micah Jordan Ohio State
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Old 10-04-18, 01:32 PM
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Here's TOM's next three weights for the top four teams:

PSU 157 Nolf #1, 165 Joseph #1, 174 Hall #2
tOSU 157 Hayes #7, 165 NR, 174 Campbell #12
OKST 157 Shomers #19, 165 Joe Smith #5, 174 Rodgers #8
IOWA 157 Young #16, 165 Marinelli #4, 174 Kemerer #6
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Old 10-04-18, 01:34 PM
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And here's TOM's top 8 Ohio and affiliates for 157-174:

157
7 Ke-Shawn Hayes Ohio State
165
4 Alex Marinelli Iowa
174
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Old 10-05-18, 01:22 PM
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And here's TOM's 184-285 for the top four teams:

PSU 184 Rasheed #5, 197 Nickal #1, 285 Nevills #2
tOSU 184 MyMar #1, 197 Moore #3, 285 NR
OKST 184 Jacobe Smith #9, 197 Weigel #6, 285 White #4
IOWA 184 Wilcke #12, 197 Warner #13, 285 Stoll #1

OKST and IOWA ranked all 10, but with 3 off the podium for OKST and 5 off the podium for IOWA.

Advancement and placement points (no bonus)
PSU 114.5
tOSU 86.5
IOWA 77
OKST 74
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Old 10-05-18, 01:24 PM
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And here's TOM's top 8 Ohio and affiliates for 184-285:

184
1 Myles Martin Ohio State
197
2 Kyle Conel Kent State
3 Kollin Moore Ohio State
285
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Old 10-09-18, 11:37 AM
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A couple of interesting tid bits from Flo's predictions vs rankings:

To differentiate the two, rankings in preseason are where you deserve to be ranked based primarily on your NCAA performance last year. Predictions are where the "rankers" actually think you'll end up. These are behind a pay wall (which I don't pay for) but someone posted these on another site. They are dripping out a weight or so a day, now up to 165. My source has posted 125-149. Fix, OKST, was ranked #9 at 133 and bumps up to #3 in the predictions. Micah Jordan, tOSU, was ranked #2 at 149 and bumped to #1 in the predictions.
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Old 10-09-18, 11:51 AM
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A couple of interesting tid bits from Flo's predictions vs rankings:

To differentiate the two, rankings in preseason are where you deserve to be ranked based primarily on your NCAA performance last year. Predictions are where the "rankers" actually think you'll end up. These are behind a pay wall (which I don't pay for) but someone posted these on another site. They are dripping out a weight or so a day, now up to 165. My source has posted 125-149. Fix, OKST, was ranked #9 at 133 and bumps up to #3 in the predictions. Micah Jordan, tOSU, was ranked #2 at 149 and bumped to #1 in the predictions.
Their 157 predictions:

1. Jason Nolf, Penn State
2. Hayden Hidlay, NC State
3. Alec Pantaleo, Michigan
4. Ryan Deakin, Northwestern
5. Josh Shields, Arizona State
6. Tyler Berger, Nebraska
7. Kennedy Monday, North Carolina
8. John Van Brill, Rutgers

165 predictions:

1st: Vincenzo Joseph, Penn State
2nd: Chance Marsteller, Lock Haven
3rd: Mekhi Lewis, Virginia Tech
4th: Evan Wick, Wisconsin
5th: Alex Marinelli, Iowa
6th: Logan Massa, Michigan
7th: Bryce Steiert, Northern Iowa
8th: Isaiah White, Nebraska
R12: Joseph Smith, Oklahoma State
R12: Jonathan Chavez, Cornell
R12: Branson Ashworth, Wyoming
R12: Connor Flynn, Missouri
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Old 10-09-18, 12:28 PM
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Thanks for the update, Yankeefan33. Ke-Shawn Hayes, tOSU, fall off the podium at 157 (ranked at #6) in the predictions as does Joe Smith, OKST, at 165 (ranked #6).
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Old 10-09-18, 01:20 PM
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Those 165 pridictions are crazy.

Marinelli is #5! Five!

Massa is #6! SIX!

White is #8! EIGHT!

Chavez, Smith, Flynn Round of 12!

AND Romero isn't even in the top 12!


Joesph, Marstellar, Lewis, Wick are a legit top 4 though. What a weight.
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Old 10-09-18, 01:41 PM
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Thanks for the update, Yankeefan33. Ke-Shawn Hayes, tOSU, fall off the podium at 157 (ranked at #6) in the predictions as does Joe Smith, OKST, at 165 (ranked #6).
They're having different guys alternate predicting each weight, so 133/149/165/184/285 will have R12 projected, while the other weights probably wont.
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Old 10-15-18, 07:07 AM
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NCAA Preseason Polls

Another interesting tidbit from predictions vs rankings at 197
Moore moves up to #2 and Conel drops all the way to #8


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Old 10-15-18, 04:46 PM
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The Flo 285 predictions were the most interesting of all, IMO, as they pick true freshman Gable Steveson to win it all. While interesting this is not surprising after what he did in the US Open and WTTs. Beyond Steveson, there's a lot of good but not great 285s. Singletary got a little love as an R12.

If you add up the team points (advancement and placement but no bonus) you get this for the top four teams:

PSU 116
tOSU 84
IOWA 84
OKST 74.5

There was a little inconsistency in the predictions as they were done by two different guys, one who included R12s (at 133, 149, 165, 184 and 285) and the other who didn't include R12s (at 125, 141, 157, 174 and 197). The prediction was similar to the PS rankings in that PSU has a clear edge over the field and that tOSU, IOWA and OKST are battling for 2nd.
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Old 10-15-18, 04:55 PM
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There was a little inconsistency in the predictions as they were done by two different guys, one who included R12s (at 133, 149, 165, 184 and 285) and the other who didn't include R12s (at 125, 141, 157, 174 and 197). The prediction was similar to the PS rankings in that PSU has a clear edge over the field and that tOSU, IOWA and OKST are battling for 2nd.
I think if they did R12s in all weights, Hayes at 157 and Campbell at 174 might have been listed. Heinselman at 125 probably needs to show that he can handle a higher weight class (120 last year in HS) before he would get ranked, although I don't think he's far off a R12, or even a 7-12 guy at the end of the year.
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Old 10-16-18, 03:07 PM
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Here's Intermat's PS rankings:

PSU 125 NR, 133 NR, 141 #4, 149 #16, 157 #1, 165 #1, 174 #2, 184 #4, 197 #1, 285 #2 Team points (w/o bonus) 118.5

tOSU 125 NR, 133 #4, 141 #2, 149 Jordan #3, 157 Hayes #8, 165 NR, 174 #11, 184 #1, 197 #3, 285 NR Team points 83

OKST 125 #5, 133 #8, 141 #5, 149 #5, 157 #19, 165 #7, 174 #8, 184 #10, 197 #6, 285 #4 Team points 71.5

IOWA 125 #1, 133 #10, 141 #13, 149 #10, 157 #16, 165 #4, 174 #6, 184 #12, 197 #13, 285 #1 Team points 72
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Old 10-16-18, 03:13 PM
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And here's Trackwrestling's PS rankings:

PSU 125 NR, 133 NR, 141 #4, 149 NR, 157 #1, 165 #1, 174 #2, 184 #5, 197 #1, 285 #2 Team points (w/o bonus) 114.5

tOSU 125 NR, 133 #4, 141 #2, 149 Jordan #2, 157 Hayes #7, 165 NR, 174 #14, 184 #1, 197 #3, 285 NR Team points 86

OKST 125 #6, 133 #10, 141 #5, 149 #5, 157 NR, 165 #6, 174 #8, 184 #8, 197 #6, 285 #4 Team points 72.5

IOWA 125 #1, 133 #9, 141 #11, 149 #9, 157 #16, 165 #4, 174 #6, 184 #10, 197 #8, 285 #1 Team points 76.5

Track actually ranks 25, but I don't include 21-25 to be consistent with the other rankings. tOSU 285 Singletary got a #22 rank.
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Old 10-16-18, 03:14 PM
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Still waiting on Amateur Wrestling News for my summary.
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Old 10-16-18, 08:43 PM
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An interesting tidbit that I just noticed. I don't know if they've ever done this before (ranking true freshmen), but Intermat (IM) and Trackwrestling (TW) both ranked true freshman Gable Steveson at 285, IM putting him #5 and TW putting him #19. I'm not sure why you bother to rank him at all if your gonna put him #19, but still interesting that they put a true freshman on the board. He did wrestle a handful of NCAA matches last year at an open, so that probably opened the door for him. As mentioned earlier, Flo did not rank him but put him #1 in their "predictions" for 285. It'll be interesting to see how long it takes for him to be a consensus #1. He should meet OKST's #4 ranked 285 on 11/18 and IOWA's #1 Stoll on 1/13.
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Old 10-16-18, 08:59 PM
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An interesting tidbit that I just noticed. I don't know if they've ever done this before (ranking true freshmen), but Intermat (IM) and Trackwrestling (TW) both ranked true freshman Gable Steveson at 285, IM putting him #5 and TW putting him #19. I'm not sure why you bother to rank him at all if your gonna put him #19, but still interesting that they put a true freshman on the board. He did wrestle a handful of NCAA matches last year at an open, so that probably opened the door for him. As mentioned earlier, Flo did not rank him but put him #1 in their "predictions" for 285. It'll be interesting to see how long it takes for him to be a consensus #1. He should meet OKST's #4 ranked 285 on 11/18 and IOWA's #1 Stoll on 1/13.
Minnesota is scheduled to go to Cliff Keen Las Vegas, where he could see Tanner Hall (Az St), Billy Miller (Virginia Tech), Jere Heino (Campbell), and/or Conan Jennings (Northwestern); if Gable beats three top 10 guys (White + 2 at CKLV), and has 0 losses, he's a top 5 guy in the country. And if Nevills ends up redshirting/missing the season and Stoll is ineffective, Gable could be 1 before the new year.
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