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Old 10-17-17, 07:27 AM
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CHL Basketball 2017-18

Its never too early to start talking basketball. With the football regular season winding down and fall workouts in full force I am curious to know how people see the CHL shaping up this season? Wyoming has been the team to beat in the past but with players graduating are they still at the top of the list? Thoughts on how the league will play out this season?
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Old 10-18-17, 07:16 AM
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Wyoming always seems to be the team to beat but Indian Hill will be strong too. Deer Park will also be very good - especially if Gentry continues to bring in more recruits....I mean transfers. If Cravack plays, Madeira could also contend for CHL title. Bryce Hunt will help Reading. Should be an interesting year in the CHL.
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Old 10-18-17, 07:29 AM
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Do you see Deer Park contending for the title?
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Old 10-18-17, 05:25 PM
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Yes, I think they can
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Old 10-28-17, 04:13 PM
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Who has gentry brought in? Do they have open enrollment?
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Old 10-29-17, 10:50 AM
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That's the issue - Deer Park does not have open enrollment. It stinks to high heaven. I've heard 3 or 4 new kids on top of 3 or 4 last year. One got an apartment, others living with them, others not even faking it to live in district- it's a joke and nothing is being done to stop it.
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Old 10-29-17, 12:56 PM
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Yes, I think they can
Well they can't. They will finish 5th at best.
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Old 10-29-17, 09:23 PM
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replacing Grayson and Prater for Wyoming will be tough. 37 pts a game between the 2
Grayson was the only player in the CHL to Avg 20 or more a game.
Edmonds is going to the the "stud" for Wyoming don't really know what they had past those 3 scoring wise.

Shaw and Fiore return for IH (top 2 scores from last season)

If Cravaack returns for madeira that's Huge. they have KJ returning as well. (top 2 scores)

Mark Wise was a freshmen for deer park and avg'ed 14 a game (transfer from Aiken)
they also return Rose and Athie (Aithie was a spohmore)

tripp returns for Mairemont. But trester (10 pts 12 boards a game) graduated

I think Deer Park has a legit shot to make a run at the CHL BBall title as well.
They were young last year
Lost to madeira by 7 pts combined in both games last year.
IH and Wyoming handled them BUT a lot of the production came from the upper classmen (why wouldn't it)

I don't follow CHL bball like I used too BUT 10 or so years ago Deer park had a REALLY good run and won the CHL in 08.

Wyoming , IH , Deer park , Madeira top 4 In no particular order
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Old 10-29-17, 09:58 PM
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replacing Grayson and Prater for Wyoming will be tough. 37 pts a game between the 2
Grayson was the only player in the CHL to Avg 20 or more a game.
Edmonds is going to the the "stud" for Wyoming don't really know what they had past those 3 scoring wise.

Shaw and Fiore return for IH (top 2 scores from last season)

If Cravaack returns for madeira that's Huge. they have KJ returning as well. (top 2 scores)

Mark Wise was a freshmen for deer park and avg'ed 14 a game (transfer from Aiken)
they also return Rose and Athie (Aithie was a spohmore)

tripp returns for Mairemont. But trester (10 pts 12 boards a game) graduated

I think Deer Park has a legit shot to make a run at the CHL BBall title as well.
They were young last year
Lost to madeira by 7 pts combined in both games last year.
IH and Wyoming handled them BUT a lot of the production came from the upper classmen (why wouldn't it)

I don't follow CHL bball like I used too BUT 10 or so years ago Deer park had a REALLY good run and won the CHL in 08.

Wyoming , IH , Deer park , Madeira top 4 In no particular order
Good analysis. The younger Prater is a very good player and may not completely fill the shoes of his older brother yet but he won't be far off and I believe that Edmonds will average 20+ this year with Grayson gone.
Mariemont loses a lot of size with Trester and Dougherty gone. Agree with your top 4
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Old 10-31-17, 07:51 AM
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Going to be a great year in CHL

As an AAU coach and a high school ref (mostly JV...working my way up) I see many of these kids both in school and club ball....2 kids to look for in the CHL...Tall, red headed kid from Madeira...Sam (can't remember last name)...6'3 or 4 sophomore...great all rounder and can shoot lights out...super handle...I tried to land him on my AAU team last year....Lopez...Sophomore at Indian Hill...PG...great skills...super quick...small..not much range as a shooter but can flat out ball! Watch out for these 2...The Deer Park situation smells rotten...not too long before they give Gentry the door...I have family in DP...those people are pissed...
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Old 11-01-17, 02:24 PM
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As an AAU coach and a high school ref (mostly JV...working my way up) I see many of these kids both in school and club ball....2 kids to look for in the CHL...Tall, red headed kid from Madeira...Sam (can't remember last name)...6'3 or 4 sophomore...great all rounder and can shoot lights out...super handle...I tried to land him on my AAU team last year...
Solinski I believe is the Madeira player.
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Old 11-02-17, 11:18 AM
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Just saw a publication that had Deer Park ranked as the best Division 3 school in Cincinnati. Are they that good? Dont know much about the team.
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Old 11-02-17, 11:24 AM
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https://tripledoubleprospects.com/hs-preview/
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Old 11-02-17, 01:01 PM
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From Eagles123 and MooseJaw:

"At least 8 kids there illegally as far as I'm told. Figure it's only a matter of time before someone investigates or blows the whistle.
That's the issue - Deer Park does not have open enrollment. It stinks to high heaven. I've heard 3 or 4 new kids on top of 3 or 4 last year. One got an apartment, others living with them, others not even faking it to live in district- it's a joke and nothing is being done to stop it."

How does this happen when there isn't Open Enrollment at Deer Park--new subdivisions going up?
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Old 11-02-17, 04:57 PM
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You don't no what u are talking about im a proud deer park fan and I have given these kids rides they all have house or apartments in the district so shut your mouth!! Or come with facts
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Old 11-02-17, 05:16 PM
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You don't no what u are talking about im a proud deer park fan and I have given these kids rides they all have house or apartments in the district so shut your mouth!! Or come with facts
Hereís the problem though is are they living in those homes and or apartments with their custodial parent? You can drop them off where ever you want doesnít mean that is the address of their custodial parent. Ohsaa rules say they must live with a custodial parent. The issue with deer park not being open enrollment is if they are not with a custodial parent forget eligibility to play basketball they arenít even allowed to be enrolled in the school. Also there will be 8 of say 12 kids on the team that were not at deer park in 8th grade. 5 of the 8 transfered in this year. Can they prove they transfered for non athletic reasons? I hope everything is on the up and up. If there is one thing the deer park community is they are loyal and supportive of their deer park kids regardless of wins and losses they pack their gym to watch Deer Park kids play. Are deer park parents going to be ok with going to the game and seeing 0 deer park kids ok the floor?
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Old 11-02-17, 05:42 PM
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I think deer park is good and now you guys are just trying to make up something how do you no if they live in the district or not and these are kids that we are talking we are loyal to them no matter when they have came they are here and there not even 8 transfers so you really don't even no what your talking about
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Old 11-02-17, 05:53 PM
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Becuase I know who these kids are and where they are from and it is not DP....I don't care if DP is good or not...they had a helluva team about 10 years ago that was fun to watch....This isn't Gentry's first rodeo...be careful!
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Old 11-02-17, 07:02 PM
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I think deer park is good and now you guys are just trying to make up something how do you no if they live in the district or not and these are kids that we are talking we are loyal to them no matter when they have came they are here and there not even 8 transfers so you really don't even no what your talking about
If you know all these kids then why don't you tell us where they are from? Did you not read the article listed above? 6 kids are listed that were not in Deer Park schools 2 years ago when Gentry started and one even came all the way from Virginia this year.
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Old 11-02-17, 09:14 PM
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I think deer park is good and now you guys are just trying to make up something how do you no if they live in the district or not and these are kids that we are talking we are loyal to them no matter when they have came they are here and there not even 8 transfers so you really don't even no what your talking about
I didnít say they had 8 transfers. They have 8-9
Kids that werenít at deer park in 8th grade and came their only to play for gentry period. They have 3 new transfers this year. Here they are listed below
Steven Gentry soph at Purcell last year
Deshaun Mcentire soph at Purcell last year
Damani Mcentire was at oak hill academy last year
Jalen Rose, Athie, and hocker all started at different schools.
Dude for real if this was an open enrollment school no one would say much but itís not and it stinks to high heaven.
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Old 11-03-17, 08:18 AM
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Here’s the problem though is are they living in those homes and or apartments with their custodial parent? You can drop them off where ever you want doesn’t mean that is the address of their custodial parent. Ohsaa rules say they must live with a custodial parent. The issue with deer park not being open enrollment is if they are not with a custodial parent forget eligibility to play basketball they aren’t even allowed to be enrolled in the school. Also there will be 8 of say 12 kids on the team that were not at deer park in 8th grade. 5 of the 8 transfered in this year. Can they prove they transfered for non athletic reasons? I hope everything is on the up and up. If there is one thing the deer park community is they are loyal and supportive of their deer park kids regardless of wins and losses they pack their gym to watch Deer Park kids play. Are deer park parents going to be ok with going to the game and seeing 0 deer park kids ok the floor?
Get your facts straight you are fishing for something instead of voicing what you think which is obviously not much pick up the OHSAA Manual and educate yourself on the Bylaws as it pertains to TRANSFERS!!!
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Old 11-03-17, 09:29 AM
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[QUOTE=humblechicajp;6897338]Get your facts straight you are fishing for something instead of voicing what you think which is obviously not much pick up the OHSAA Manual and educate yourself on the Bylaws as it pertains to TRANSFERS!!![/QUOT

Not sure what facts need to be straight. Im just simply stating the rules in its easiest terms. Because DP is closed enrollment, if these kids are not living with either legal (meaning parents signed over rights to someone else)gaurdian, or custodial parent then it is a violation of the rule and arent even allowed to be enrolled let a lone play a sport. For example, say a kid lives with his mom whos the legal custodial parent in madisonville and he goes to shroder. Say that kids dad lives in Deer Park. For that kid to transfer to Deer Park and attend and play there the mom must go to court and give full custodial parental rights to Dad for that to happen. That is the rule
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Old 11-06-17, 12:16 PM
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If there is one thing the deer park community is they are loyal and supportive of their deer park kids regardless of wins and losses they pack their gym to watch Deer Park kids play. Are deer park parents going to be ok with going to the game and seeing 0 deer park kids ok the floor?
I've said this before: if a math or English teacher was combing junior highs looking for better students to bring in so her test results would be better, we'd think she'd lost her marbles. She's supposed to be teaching the kids she's got. And if the only reason a school's test results went up was because of great scores from a sudden influx of transfers we wouldn't be impressed.

I'm not entirely sure why we treat athletics differently. We're doing it wrong, and ultimately it's the communities' fault.
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Old 11-02-17, 08:41 PM
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I am a hs ref and have coached AAU for
10 years...I see almost every kid in the coty
At some point...like I said I could care less how good
DP is or isn't...but as an OHSAA official
I think it smells fishy...have Gentry fired or
Quit and see how many stay for the education lol.
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Old 11-18-17, 08:17 PM
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I am a hs ref and have coached AAU for
10 years...I see almost every kid in the coty
At some point...like I said I could care less how good
DP is or isn't...but as an OHSAA official
I think it smells fishy...have Gentry fired or
Quit and see how many stay for the education lol.
Go choke on your whistle
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Old 11-03-17, 08:27 AM
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The 2016-17 report card shows that Deer Park Schools has made significant growth and improvements across the board. While we were extremely pleased with our growth in many areas of the report card, we still know there are many areas where we can make improvements. The district will continue to work very hard to make even greater strides in all areas this year and beyond.

Key Highlights for Deer Park Schools from 2017 Report Card

• K-3 Literacy: Measures number of students on track in grades K-3.

◦ Moved from a component grade of an 'F' in 2016 to a 'B' in 2017



• Progress: Measures amount of annual student growth based on testing, with a “C” representing one year’s growth.

◦ ​Overall progress improved from an ‘F’ in 2016 to an ‘A’ in 2017



• 4-Year Graduation Rate: Measures number of students graduating within four years.

◦ Moved from a component grade of a 'B' in 2016 to an 'A' in 2017



• ​Performance Index: Represents the overall student level of achievement on state testing.

◦ Increased from 85.1 points in 2016 to 90.8 points in 2017



• Percentage of Students Proficient: Measures student scores that reach "proficiency" at each grade level and each subject area.

◦ Increases in 16 of 23 assessment areas, with 10 areas increasing by double-digit percentage points.



Quality Profile

Deer Park Schools, along with more than 85 school districts throughout Ohio, today released a comprehensive, community-oriented companion to the State’s District Report Card. Called a “Quality Profile,” the report includes additional accountability measures that are not captured by the state report card, but define a high quality education.
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The 2016-17 report card shows that Deer Park Schools has made significant growth and improvements across the board. While we were extremely pleased with our growth in many areas of the report card, we still know there are many areas where we can make improvements. The district will continue to work very hard to make even greater strides in all areas this year and beyond.

Key Highlights for Deer Park Schools from 2017 Report Card

ē K-3 Literacy: Measures number of students on track in grades K-3.

◦ Moved from a component grade of an 'F' in 2016 to a 'B' in 2017



ē Progress: Measures amount of annual student growth based on testing, with a ďCĒ representing one yearís growth.

◦ ​Overall progress improved from an ĎFí in 2016 to an ĎAí in 2017



ē 4-Year Graduation Rate: Measures number of students graduating within four years.

◦ Moved from a component grade of a 'B' in 2016 to an 'A' in 2017



ē ​Performance Index: Represents the overall student level of achievement on state testing.

◦ Increased from 85.1 points in 2016 to 90.8 points in 2017



ē Percentage of Students Proficient: Measures student scores that reach "proficiency" at each grade level and each subject area.

◦ Increases in 16 of 23 assessment areas, with 10 areas increasing by double-digit percentage points.



Quality Profile

Deer Park Schools, along with more than 85 school districts throughout Ohio, today released a comprehensive, community-oriented companion to the Stateís District Report Card. Called a ďQuality Profile,Ē the report includes additional accountability measures that are not captured by the state report card, but define a high quality education.
Well based on your above numbers if he would have never gone to Deer Park for education. He started there in 2016. Glad to see they are doing much better, although based on the state link your numbers arent exactly accurate. Regardless Deer Park is a great community and like i said their parents and fans are some of the most supportive out there. But im sorry if all these kids are living with their CUSTODIAL parent (which based on OHSAA) they must do then Gentry is in the wrong line of work and should be a realtor
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Old 11-03-17, 09:27 AM
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Man there wasn't a thread about DP football this large all season and already almost a whole page on deer park BBall and the season hasn't even started this year.... I like it....

Im a CHL grad so I root for CHL teams and for the league to be good....I hope DP wins it and knocks off some of the big boys...

Deer Park Wildcats: Wyoming and Deer Park are 1A and 1B pre-season in the CHL, which is a testament to the improvement that the Wildcats have made in Coach Gentryís second year, as the team won 11 games last season (after winning just 3 combined games in the years preceding Gentryís tenure). With a talented crew of transfers mixing in with some top returning talent, Deer Park is our easy choice as the top ranked D3 team in Cincinnati; led by sophomore guard Mark Wise (who averaged 15 PPG last season), junior wing Ibrahima Athie (12 PPG last year) and senior wing Jalen Rose (16 PPG last season), we are expecting Deer Park to put up some high scoring totals this season. Wise projects as one of the cityís top guards, but heíll also receive assistance this year from two talented backcourt transfers, as sophomore Steve Gentry Jr (Purcell Marian) and strong bodied senior Damani McEntire (Oak Hill Academy/VA) are both enrolled at Deer Park. Gentry Jr will start as a pass-first point guard for the Wildcats, while McEntire will assist Wise in attacking the rim for baskets. Deer Park has some size with 6í6 junior Joe Hocker (who missed last year with injury), but expect this group to play a lot of guards, and play really fast en route to a lot of wins.
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Old 11-03-17, 12:26 PM
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Yep, you nailed it...I'm the ref that always cheats for Indian Hill!

Look, I don't have a dog in this fight, my kid has graduated but I, and many others around the league smell a rat. IF all these kids and their parent(s) have moved to Deer Park and IF they have purchased a home or rented an apartment then there is no problem. The issue is that I've heard numerous stories that this may not be the case. It has nothing to do with the color of their skin so just go ahead and put away that overused race card. The other ridiculous argument is that they moved to Deer Park for the education. That's like saying people move to Florida for the cool weather. Let's just call it what it is - they are all moving there to play basketball. If they've done it legally then so be it, but if they haven't then its not fair to the CHL or any of the other teams.
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Old 11-03-17, 02:55 PM
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Wyoming, Deer Park, and IHill will be 1-3 in the league.
The DP report card looks pretty good. There are a couple people posting on here that I am hoping aren't DP students because they would help those scores.
The word is that DP does have an open for business sign on the door.
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