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Old 02-14-18, 01:16 PM
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Should domestic violence exclude you from working for the government?

I thought this was an interesting comment from Paul Ryan. He seems to be saying that domestic violence should be a litmus test for working in the government. Do you agree?

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House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis., told reporters Wednesday that the White House "clearly" has "work to do to fix their vetting system."

"If a person committing domestic violence gets into government, then there's a breakdown in the system," Ryan said. "There's a breakdown in the vetting system and that breakdown needs to be addressed."
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Old 02-14-18, 01:35 PM
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If it's a job that requires a security clearance then I agree with Ryan. I believe the unofficial gubmint stance has to do with potential blackmail by outside interests.
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Old 02-14-18, 03:45 PM
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If it's a job that requires a security clearance then I agree with Ryan. I believe the unofficial gubmint stance has to do with potential blackmail by outside interests.
I guess I don't understand how that would work.
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Old 02-14-18, 03:49 PM
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I guess I don't understand how that would work.
Governor Jones has been accused of or charged with domestic violence in his/her past, but it isn't public knowledge.

Someone who is aware of this wants a government contract, a special favor; the governor to throw their weight around to make something happen.

They contact the governor, showing they have documentation of the abuse, and will make it public if the governor doesn't do their bidding........
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Old 02-14-18, 04:54 PM
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Governor Jones has been accused of or charged with domestic violence in his/her past, but it isn't public knowledge.

Someone who is aware of this wants a government contract, a special favor; the governor to throw their weight around to make something happen.

They contact the governor, showing they have documentation of the abuse, and will make it public if the governor doesn't do their bidding........
Do you actually believe that anything in the real world works like the plot of a bad movie?
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Old 02-14-18, 04:56 PM
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No. I don't believe that it should automatically exclude you from any job or career.
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Old 02-14-18, 05:18 PM
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If it's a job that requires a security clearance then I agree with Ryan. I believe the unofficial gubmint stance has to do with potential blackmail by outside interests.
The 3rd Whitehouse official that resigned yesterday because he couldn't get a security clearance, did so because he admitted to smoking pot 4 years ago.

How in the hell did Clinton, Bush, and Obama get security clearances if past drug abuse is an issue?
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Old 02-14-18, 05:37 PM
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Do you actually believe that anything in the real world works like the plot of a bad movie?
It's not just something out of a plot from a movie.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/2015/0...y-madison-hack

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/cert/12-357

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...605-story.html
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Old 02-14-18, 05:37 PM
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How in the hell did Clinton, Bush, and Obama get security clearances if past drug abuse is an issue?
They were elected, remember?
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Old 02-14-18, 05:38 PM
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The 3rd Whitehouse official that resigned yesterday because he couldn't get a security clearance, did so because he admitted to smoking pot 4 years ago.

How in the hell did Clinton, Bush, and Obama get security clearances if past drug abuse is an issue?
Clinton didn't inhale!
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Old 02-14-18, 05:57 PM
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Clinton didn't inhale!
Valid point. However, he also said eatin' ain't cheatin'...so I don't know what to believe anymore.
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Old 02-14-18, 06:28 PM
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Any evidence that any government employee has been blackmaild by domestic violence evidence, or any of these scenarios?

Or is it all just a bad movie plot?
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Old 02-14-18, 06:40 PM
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How in the hell did Clinton, Bush, and Obama get security clearances if past drug abuse is an issue?
Stop asking questions citizen. Do as they say, not as they do.
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Old 02-14-18, 07:03 PM
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So let me see if I have this right........

You can be a drug addict and work for the government. You can be flamingly gay and work for the government. You can be an ex-con and work for the government. You can be slipshod with government secrets and work for the government. You can be a racist and work for the government. You can get caught spending government money stupidly and work for the government. You can be a communist and work for the government. You can murder someone and work for the government. You can be a man-hating biatch and work for the government...... but we draw the line at a domestic violence accusation?
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Old 02-14-18, 09:33 PM
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So let me see if I have this right........

You can be a drug addict and work for the government. You can be flamingly gay and work for the government. You can be an ex-con and work for the government. You can be slipshod with government secrets and work for the government. You can be a racist and work for the government. You can get caught spending government money stupidly and work for the government. You can be a communist and work for the government. You can murder someone and work for the government. You can be a man-hating biatch and work for the government...... but we draw the line at a domestic violence accusation?
So you are OK with domestic violence???

The security clearances and chaos...makes this white house a new low in terms of handling classified info. Really ridiculously incompetent compared to Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon...
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Old 02-14-18, 09:42 PM
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The security clearances and chaos...makes this white house a new low in terms of handling classified info. Really ridiculously incompetent compared to Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon...
... yawn ...
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Old 02-14-18, 09:44 PM
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So you are OK with domestic violence???

The security clearances and chaos...makes this white house a new low in terms of handling classified info. Really ridiculously incompetent compared to Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon...
False.

Stop making chit up. No one believes that nonsense.
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Old 02-14-18, 10:11 PM
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So you are OK with domestic violence???
That is the PC culture. In the hierarchy of criminal acts, where does domestic violence rate? Is it worse than murder? Rape? Torture? Drunk driving? Cheating on your taxes?

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The security clearances and chaos...makes this white house a new low in terms of handling classified info. Really ridiculously incompetent compared to Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon...
Serious question, how could any of us possibly know if this is true? I suspect that most mishandled classified info is rarely known by the general public. Throw in the intense public scrutiny today versus any other President on that list outside of Obama.
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Old 02-14-18, 10:47 PM
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Why have rules, norms or any oversight. Jared reading the daily security briefing...nice to see a guy like Trey Gowdy have a REAL issue to pursue.
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Old 02-14-18, 11:21 PM
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Governor Jones has been accused of or charged with domestic violence in his/her past, but it isn't public knowledge.

Someone who is aware of this wants a government contract, a special favor; the governor to throw their weight around to make something happen.

They contact the governor, showing they have documentation of the abuse, and will make it public if the governor doesn't do their bidding........
If they have been charged, then it is public knowledge. An ex can make up anything they want. There is no blackmail angle here.
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Old 02-14-18, 11:23 PM
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So you are OK with domestic violence???

The security clearances and chaos...makes this white house a new low in terms of handling classified info. Really ridiculously incompetent compared to Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon...
Ha, ha, ha. 4 words, Clinton’s private email server.
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Old 02-15-18, 12:09 AM
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Valid point. However, he also said eatin' ain't cheatin'...so I don't know what to believe anymore.
She didn't swallow so it's all good. Don't you remember the stained dress?
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Old 02-15-18, 12:22 AM
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Any evidence that any government employee has been blackmaild by domestic violence evidence, or any of these scenarios?

Or is it all just a bad movie plot?
Click on the second link. If that ain't good enough for you click on the link below. It mostly deals with military men being extorted/blackmailed for money but it's not a stretch at all to think another government would have more sinister motives.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/y...urity-concern/
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Old 02-15-18, 12:45 AM
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Click on the second link. If that ain't good enough for you click on the link below. It mostly deals with military men being extorted/blackmailed for money but it's not a stretch at all to think another government would have more sinister motives.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/y...urity-concern/
That isn’t the same thing as domestic abuse allegations.
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Old 02-15-18, 06:58 AM
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Any felony conviction would exclude a person from many government jobs, especially in law enforcement.??? If it is misdemeanor domestic violence charge I do not feel you should be excluded as they are often he said she said fights with two guilty parties. I watched that Bad Boys Bad Boys show so I know...she hit me in the head with that big glass bong then she picked up the baby monitor and was going to throw it at me so I hit her with this carton of Lucky Strikes.

Now if it is just a "accused thing" with no convictions, that would be unbelievably ridiculous! Guilty until proven innocent seams to be what many are going for these days, and that is just stupid.
Although I am a small government guy, so maybe all of us could get together and just eliminate 95% of all government employees with my (accusation campaign)..who is with me?

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Old 02-15-18, 07:26 AM
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Winston Churchill is supposed to have said: “With integrity, nothing else counts. Without integrity, nothing else counts.”

In fact, that seems to be one of those Churchillian epigrams that Churchill never actually got around to saying. But it captures an important truth about politics, that dishonor is like a cancer that spreads inexorably as it feeds upon ambition, protects itself with lies and doubles down with cover-ups.

Looking at the chaos in the White House these days, I worry about inexperience, incompetence and lack of judgment. But maybe I worry most about an utter lack of integrity — and the way it is proving infectious.

The contagion of dishonor has spread irresistibly through the White House staff, turning aides into con artists. Indifference to ethics has spread through the cabinet and agencies, resulting in endless scandals. And the epidemic has rippled through much of the G.O.P. (with some heroic exceptions), turning lawmakers into enablers and hypocrites.

The Rob Porter affair, for example, isn’t just about Porter any more but about what seems to be a cover-up and a dismissiveness toward domestic violence. John Kelly, the White House chief of staff, claimed that he had removed Porter within 40 minutes of learning of credible allegations of Porter’s domestic abuse; to listen to F.B.I. testimony, it now seems it may have been seven months.

President Trump said on Wednesday that he is against domestic violence. But when you have to say that, something is wrong.

We have a president who has himself been accused of domestic violence (an allegation of rape by his first wife that she later retracted), who has lost two aides to accusations of domestic violence, whose chief of staff (a retired four-star Marine general) in 2016 praised a colonel as a “superb Marine officer” after he had been accused of sexually harassing two women. More broadly, while I understand the sorrow people feel for a colleague who is self-immolating, the White House’s initial comments came across as discounting one of the most common kinds of violence in America today.

Some 28,000 Americans are sent to emergency rooms each year because of domestic violence. Almost 20 people are victimized each minute. This isn’t a fringe issue: It claims far more American lives than terrorism. The White House would never be caught with a bank robbery suspect on its staff, so why tolerate someone alleged to be a wife beater?

The answer has to do, I think, with a lack of integrity, an absence of a moral compass, a narcissism in which the all-consuming need becomes to protect oneself and one’s boss.

Lack of integrity may also be the best way to capture the morphing scandal of the pre-election $130,000 payoff to a porn star to apparently keep quiet about an affair with Trump. It’s bad enough that Trump appears to have been cheating on Melania right after she had their baby (“Oh, don’t worry about her,” he is said to have told the actress). But with the payoff and reported cover-up, Trump is betraying all of us.

When The Wall Street Journal first reported the porn-star payout by Michael Cohen, Trump’s longtime lawyer, Cohen denounced the report as a “false narrative” of “outlandish allegations.”

Oops. Take two. This week, Cohen confirmed the payment in a statement saying that he “facilitated” the transfer with his own cash. It doesn’t seem quite true, as some news organizations reported, that Cohen precisely denied that he had been reimbursed. Cohen’s statement was artful. He denied that he had been reimbursed by either the Trump Organization or the Trump presidential campaign, but not that he had been reimbursed by someone else — say, by Trump himself. (The White House did not respond to my inquiry about whether Trump had personally paid the $130,000.)

Sometimes politicians, liberals and conservatives alike, are unprincipled in pursuit of principles they are passionate about. But Trump aides don’t seem to believe in any cause larger than themselves or their leader.

That’s alarming because of the risks that even worse might lie ahead. When self-absorbed people are caught in a growing scandal, they overreach. In this case, that might mean the firing of Robert Mueller or Rod Rosenstein, or some military clash that changes the subject. To be clear, I don’t think officials would deliberately turn to war as a solution to political problems, but we all have a remarkable ability to persuade ourselves that what is good for us is also good for the country.

Every administration suffers embarrassments. But when there is a basic lack of integrity at the top, these do not easily self-correct; rather, they build upon themselves because of an impulse to cover up and layer new deceptions on top of old deceit. That seems to be what is happening in both the Rob Porter and porn-payoff scandals.

The risk is that this stain continues to spread, metastasizing and bringing down everything around it. And to me, it looks as if the Trump administration is now metastasizing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/14/o...tml?ref=topics
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Old 02-15-18, 07:34 AM
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Now if it is just a "accused thing" with no convictions, that would be unbelievably ridiculous!
That's what I don't understand about the Porter situation. If you black your wife's eye, and there's a picture of it, you're going to jail...period.

Why didn't that happen?
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Old 02-15-18, 07:53 AM
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So you are OK with domestic violence???

The security clearances and chaos...makes this white house a new low in terms of handling classified info. Really ridiculously incompetent compared to Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon...
I think Hillary set the new low
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Old 02-15-18, 08:00 AM
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I love that some people seem to think mere accusation should be enough...what happened to due process?

Was this Porter guy charged, much less convicted, of domestic violence?
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Old 02-15-18, 08:46 AM
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I love that some people seem to think mere accusation should be enough...what happened to due process?

Was this Porter guy charged, much less convicted, of domestic violence?
What!!?? you think his ex wives would be anything but completely honest!!?? Why do you hate WOMEN!!!!
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