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Old 02-14-18, 03:22 PM
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Lets just bring in D5 Buckeye Local, then. When they play Leetonia, someone will finally get their first win in years!
Totally missing the point
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Old 02-14-18, 03:32 PM
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Totally missing the point
I don't think so, you might be missing the sarcasm.
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Old 02-14-18, 03:45 PM
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For what it is worth, go with a 7 team league, play 4 OOL teams that you want. This is really getting old. The EOAC will end up with a weak-mediocre D7, just to appease the current remaining D7 schools.
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Old 02-14-18, 04:32 PM
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For what it is worth, go with a 7 team league, play 4 OOL teams that you want. This is really getting old. The EOAC will end up with a weak-mediocre D7, just to appease the current remaining D7 schools.
If they end up with one at all. But this conference is a mix of d 6 and d7 schools that probably could combine at least a few of them. Ep is d5 right? They should look elsewhere. Crestview found a home (for now) Iím sure EP could as well. East Liverpool used to be in the Mac so itís possible.
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Old 02-14-18, 04:47 PM
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If they end up with one at all. But this conference is a mix of d 6 and d7 schools that probably could combine at least a few of them. Ep is d5 right? They should look elsewhere. Crestview found a home (for now) Iím sure EP could as well. East Liverpool used to be in the Mac so itís possible.
Combining districts is an option, but also a taboo in the county. Way too much community pride here in the confederate states South of the Mason Dixon line of Rt 14.
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Old 02-14-18, 07:54 PM
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For what it is worth, go with a 7 team league, play 4 OOL teams that you want. This is really getting old. The EOAC will end up with a weak-mediocre D7, just to appease the current remaining D7 schools.
This is the only reason why I mentioned Edison, it may appease the D7 schools without adding another D7, because the options are so limited 7 team league really is the only viable option.
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Old 02-14-18, 10:36 PM
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What about EP playing the AAC blue?
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Old 02-15-18, 05:12 AM
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What about EP playing the AAC blue?
That would be like playing in the old Trumbull AA that EP was a member of back when the TCL kicked them out for being too big.

The answer is not mine to give. Besides this is about the EOAC finding an respectable 8th member, not EP going elsewhere.
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Old 02-15-18, 08:40 AM
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Totally missing the point
Thought the sarcasm was pretty apparent. Atleast Bulldog got it.

In all actuality though, Edison and Buckeye Local are similar crappy programs, so my point was similar to yours, whether it was a joke or not...
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Old 02-15-18, 08:46 AM
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For the record, I think its gonna end up being a not so good d6 or d7 as well...Hope I'm wrong!
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Old 02-15-18, 09:06 AM
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For the record, I think its gonna end up being a not so good d6 or d7 as well...Hope I'm wrong!
I share your sentiment. The rumor mill is working overtime.
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Old 02-15-18, 11:14 AM
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Thought the sarcasm was pretty apparent. Atleast Bulldog got it.

In all actuality though, Edison and Buckeye Local are similar crappy programs, so my point was similar to yours, whether it was a joke or not...
HA I did get the sarcasm too, I would rather take a crappy D5 school that is not in danger of not fielding teams than another D7.
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Old 02-15-18, 11:22 AM
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I never used to be a fan of the way PA placed schools in "districts" based off enrollment. You play the schools in your "district" which could change based on enrollments. I think I am starting to become more of a proponent for that type of setup. If you are an OHSAA member, you will be in this "district" or "league" and play this schedule, based on the size of your school. Takes all the bickering out of it and adjusts based on your schools size. Leave weeks 1-3 open for traditional rivals and schedule flexibility.
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Old 02-15-18, 11:37 AM
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I never used to be a fan of the way PA placed schools in "districts" based off enrollment. You play the schools in your "district" which could change based on enrollments. I think I am starting to become more of a proponent for that type of setup. If you are an OHSAA member, you will be in this "district" or "league" and play this schedule, based on the size of your school. Takes all the bickering out of it and adjusts based on your schools size. Leave weeks 1-3 open for traditional rivals and schedule flexibility.
I thought about this as well, Yes believe something like this needs to be done, the OVAC places school in divisions kind of similar to this but there is no mandatory scheduling so to me their setup is pointless.
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Old 02-15-18, 11:38 AM
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I think the PIAA and WPIAL allow a school to play up one division if they choose.
They also only play 9 games.
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Old 02-15-18, 12:20 PM
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HA I did get the sarcasm too, I would rather take a crappy D5 school that is not in danger of not fielding teams than another D7.
Buckeye Local is in no danger of not fielding a team, they're just not very good.
Amazing because they played in a state final or semifinal before they consolidated in the mid 90's. Now, they currently own one of the longest losing streaks in the state.
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Old 02-15-18, 12:25 PM
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That would be like playing in the old Trumbull AA that EP was a member of back when the TCL kicked them out for being too big.

The answer is not mine to give. Besides this is about the EOAC finding an respectable 8th member, not EP going elsewhere.
Respectable 8th member? The whole conference isnít very good.
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Old 02-15-18, 12:57 PM
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Respectable 8th member? The whole conference isnít very good.
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Old 02-15-18, 01:22 PM
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Respectable 8th member? The whole conference isnít very good.
Truth
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Old 02-15-18, 01:27 PM
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Pot stirring bunch of schmucks.

No, it isn't.
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Old 02-16-18, 01:39 PM
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http://wtov9.com/high-school-super-s...football-coach

Toronto has hired a new coach, not that it impacts the EOAC beyond this year.
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Old 02-16-18, 02:19 PM
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http://wtov9.com/high-school-super-s...football-coach

Toronto has hired a new coach, not that it impacts the EOAC beyond this year.
I would not even give them the acknowledgement.
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Old 02-17-18, 11:03 AM
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I would not even give them the acknowledgement.
I think it is still very puzzling as to why they pulled out of the league....the reasons were very weak IMO.
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Old 02-17-18, 11:22 AM
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I think the PIAA and WPIAL allow a school to play up one division if they choose.
They also only play 9 games.
You can play up as much as you want in PA. Kennedy Catholic is 1A in basketball and play up to 6A this cycle. 1A Farrell plays up to 4A. Aliquippa football plays up from 2A to 3A.

Also, PIAA doesn't mandate anything about mandatory leagues. The state has 12 autonomous districts. The schools in those districts decide how to run things. Each district is different. D7 is most militant as they also schedule all scheduled weeks. PIAA now allows teams to turn their second scrimmage date into a play date. Not all schools do it.

District 10 mandated all schools will play a 10 game schedule with one scrimmage because they wanted to use the 10th play date as a Quarterfinal round of the playoffs. Which they're allowed to do since D10 decided to have an Open Tournament where basically everyone gets in. And since Week 10 was always a non-region week, many times you'd see playoff bound teams cancel their Week 10 game to get a bye. Because PIAA state playoffs last six weeks instead of OHSAA with 5 weeks.
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Old 02-17-18, 11:32 AM
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I think it is still very puzzling as to why they pulled out of the league....the reasons were very weak IMO.
Some reasons Toronto chose to leave the EOAC according to their Athletic Director. This came from the Steubenville Herald-Star.

1. Extraordinary league costs
2. Increased officials rates
3. Limited on what sports could charge at the gate
4. Concerns about parking fees
5. Increased travel times

These issues should have been hammered out BEFORE Toronto joined the EOAC wouldn't you agree? I'm thinking there were other reasons as well. Red Knight boys basketball coach was shocked by the decision to leave according to a newspaper article.
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Old 02-17-18, 11:59 AM
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I know a former athletic Director and the cost of officials is much LOWER in the EOAC. They knew the travel time before they came. My guess five straight losses in football made those trips even longer. What are thoughts on a football only member as the knew member? Don't be shocked if this happens.
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Old 02-17-18, 01:03 PM
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i know a former athletic director and the cost of officials is much lower in the eoac. They knew the travel time before they came. My guess five straight losses in football made those trips even longer. What are thoughts on a football only member as the knew member? Don't be shocked if this happens.
No!!!
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Old 02-17-18, 08:24 PM
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My prediction? 7 team league. 4 OOL. One more will bolt in my opinion.
Talked to two different people (totally unrelated to each other) this weekend that said they had heard of two other schools in the EOAC who are looking at possibly leaving the league. Not a good sign if others are looking.
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Old 02-18-18, 02:43 AM
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From an outsider's position who follows the now MVAC schools more than the new EOAC schools, it just seems like the EOAC is a collection of schools that have basically been forced together via geography. OVAC to the south, MVAC/AAC to the north. IVC to the west. There isn't much to do except band together and hope it all works out.

I still don't get how the ITCL couldn't have survived as the two divisions that basically spawned from it and just do one-crossover. Therefore, no Toronto or Waterloo needed. 7 team North and 7 team South, you already have the two you wanted out out, and then just play one cross-over that doesn't count for league standing, but just to fill the schedule.

EOAC doesn't have a lot of options except bringing in a Crestview, or poaching a school from MVAC or AAC. And none really make sense geographically or competition-wise.

It does make sense that schools are looking for a better option. But really is out there? The AAC is dissolving into the NE8 and some of the big schools who refuse to give in, the MVAC seems partially stable. Though, Sebring tiptoeing down the 'will they have enough players' line makes a sudden 7-team football league spawn trouble.


As someone said earlier, the OHSAA going to state mandated districts of 6-8 teams and let schools schedule the other games who they see fit may be the only answer to solve their constant league hopping that is prevalent all across the state. It's not just this area of the state. It's an epidemic.
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Old 02-18-18, 07:03 AM
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Talked to two different people (totally unrelated to each other) this weekend that said they had heard of two other schools in the EOAC who are looking at possibly leaving the league. Not a good sign if others are looking.
Doesn't surprise me. Something had to give.

A little sarcasm with the "unrelated" statement.
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