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Old 07-31-17, 07:05 AM
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Poll: RATE YOUR SUMMER TEAM/CLUB

Someone suggested a poll for summer programs, good idea.
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Help your fellow baseball families make more informed decisions by providing objective reviews and sharing your experiences with Ohio travel baseball programs.
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Old 07-31-17, 07:24 AM
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Id like to rate the parents and coaches in general.

A big, fat zero.

Way too much arguing with umpires. A coach got his whole team tossed this weekend in Plain City over a call when the score was already 9-0.

Noticed it the last couple of summers it just keep getting worse and worse. Saw more parents/coaches get tossed last year than in all my years of playing and coaching.

Been asked to coach youth teams and even though I am itching to get back into coaching there is zero chance it will be at the youth level. The parents are just too mouthy at the games.

At least at the HS level parents seem to be more cognizant in what the rules are and how to act at ballgames.


...and to get tossed and refusing to leave (looking at you a mom from a Sidney team at a wapak tourney in 2016) and the cops have to come for you.......totally embarrassing yourself and your kid.


That is all.
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Old 07-31-17, 10:32 AM
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Someone suggested a poll for summer programs, good idea.
Here you go
Help your fellow baseball families make more informed decisions by providing objective reviews and sharing your experiences with Ohio travel baseball programs.
This could be a very valuable thread and an interesting discussion. However, I think you need to get a bit more specific on what area are you rating them on (i.e. Cost, Development Opportunities, Competitive Teams, Coaches, Offseason Workouts, Facilities, College Exposure, Tournament Selection, Reputation, etc.) and how will you rank them (i.e. 1-5 with 5 being strongest)?
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Old 07-31-17, 11:23 AM
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Id like to rate the parents and coaches in general.

A big, fat zero.

Way too much arguing with umpires. A coach got his whole team tossed this weekend in Plain City over a call when the score was already 9-0.

Noticed it the last couple of summers it just keep getting worse and worse. Saw more parents/coaches get tossed last year than in all my years of playing and coaching.

Been asked to coach youth teams and even though I am itching to get back into coaching there is zero chance it will be at the youth level. The parents are just too mouthy at the games.

At least at the HS level parents seem to be more cognizant in what the rules are and how to act at ballgames.


...and to get tossed and refusing to leave (looking at you a mom from a Sidney team at a wapak tourney in 2016) and the cops have to come for you.......totally embarrassing yourself and your kid.


That is all.
Two things:

Shameless a_holes cannot embarrass themselves, because they have no shame.

You might be turning into the baseball version of "get off my lawn!" guy, old man
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Old 07-31-17, 12:10 PM
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Two things:

Shameless a_holes cannot embarrass themselves, because they have no shame.

You might be turning into the baseball version of "get off my lawn!" guy, old man
Maybe, but man ya cannot go to a youth tournament nowadays and not have someone get tossed. A local tour by had to put a rule in that if you argue it's a 100 dollar fine. It is a freaking kids game I dont care go bad a call is ya don't need to act like a buffoon
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Old 07-31-17, 12:46 PM
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My son (D1 pitcher) has been asked for years to umpire our local leagues. He has always said no. He could make good money as he lives about 200 yards from the field and is much more knowledgeable about baseball than the kids they are using now. I asked him why he wouldn't do it. I told him, that people know him and likely wouldn't give him as much crap as they do the other umps (some didn't even play baseball). His response "Dad, I'm not going to listen to those idiots yelling from the stands about rules that they obviously don't understand, I'd spend the whole game trying to explain the rules and the games would last forever, they don't pay enough for that"......I didn't ask him about it again lol
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Old 07-31-17, 03:26 PM
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I find it funny and interesting how the amount of yelling from the fields lesson at the kids get older. 8U baseball is intense...by they time they get to 15U, most parents are just fine watching (for the most part). Honestly, I'd love to go back and tell my younger self to relax and just watch the game. I can promise that any yelling/ranting I did, which was very minimal, was not beneficial to my son, his team or anything else.

I saw a lot of good organizations this year and some not so good. Typically, it's an over zealous coach that sours me. Pitching a kid too long, not playing the game the right way, parents who complain about every pitch, coaches who complain about every pitch, players that pout (big time issue with this and tolerated, which reinforces it) and trophy chasing at all costs.

My biggest pet peeve...when parents or coaches yell to the pitcher, "just throw strikes". LOL!
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Old 07-31-17, 03:45 PM
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This could be a very valuable thread and an interesting discussion. However, I think you need to get a bit more specific on what area are you rating them on (i.e. Cost, Development Opportunities, Competitive Teams, Coaches, Offseason Workouts, Facilities, College Exposure, Tournament Selection, Reputation, etc.) and how will you rank them (i.e. 1-5 with 5 being strongest)?
Good idea bluedevil, would like to have it be a professional polling. I guess yappi is the only one that has the ability to create a formal polling method like the suburban league poll form this past spring
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Old 07-31-17, 04:38 PM
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My biggest pet peeve...when parents or coaches yell to the pitcher, "just throw strikes". LOL!
Funny. They make it sound so easy.

From an umpire's perspective, I laugh inside when a coach or a parent yells about a pitcher not pausing and wanting the balk called. What they have just done is made the pitcher aware that he appears to be going to fast and inevitably they slow down and they have actually helped the pitcher out.
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Old 07-31-17, 04:55 PM
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Maybe, but man ya cannot go to a youth tournament nowadays and not have someone get tossed. A local tour by had to put a rule in that if you argue it's a 100 dollar fine. It is a freaking kids game I dont care go bad a call is ya don't need to act like a buffoon
You forgot, "And get off my diamond!!!"
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Old 07-31-17, 09:45 PM
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Funny. They make it sound so easy.

From an umpire's perspective, I laugh inside when a coach or a parent yells about a pitcher not pausing and wanting the balk called. What they have just done is made the pitcher aware that he appears to be going to fast and inevitably they slow down and they have actually helped the pitcher out.
This happened to my son at 12u this year. Was wild early, rushing to get the ball to home as the running game was hurting him. Opposing coach starts going bozo about lack of pause ( prob by the book correct). This immediatly fixed the wildness. Also got him into a sequence of looking the runner back a bit. Opposing bats were quiet untill pitch count reached. 100% chance if coach shuts up he does not last another inning.
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Old 08-01-17, 01:36 AM
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I find it funny and interesting how the amount of yelling from the fields lesson at the kids get older. 8U baseball is intense...by they time they get to 15U, most parents are just fine watching (for the most part). Honestly, I'd love to go back and tell my younger self to relax and just watch the game. I can promise that any yelling/ranting I did, which was very minimal, was not beneficial to my son, his team or anything else.

I saw a lot of good organizations this year and some not so good. Typically, it's an over zealous coach that sours me. Pitching a kid too long, not playing the game the right way, parents who complain about every pitch, coaches who complain about every pitch, players that pout (big time issue with this and tolerated, which reinforces it) and trophy chasing at all costs.

My biggest pet peeve...when parents or coaches yell to the pitcher, "just throw strikes". LOL!
I concur!
You have the coaches yelling at the kids, and the parents and grandparents and other parents. Sometimes ya have three different opinions yelling at the kid on what to do!

That is why I said I would not want to coach at th youth level. At the HS level about once every other year we had a disgruntled parent and a nasty phone call/message but for the most part they kept their mouths shut at games.

I think by that time they know how to act at games, know the rules a little bit better and realize how embarrassing they can be when they act like idiots!

Last year at my step sons youth game parents were giving an ump a hard time on a ball that was in foul territory, like a swinging but sort of thing, and rolled fair. Of course, not touched so it was a fair ball.

boy oh boy did some parents go off. After it all settled down I spoke up to the ump and told him "Blue, that was the right call. Nice Job" and a few of the parents looked at me like..what the hell, you are a fan of OUR team.


Parents need to read the document The Matheny Manifesto. If you haven't heard of it.....look it up. I get sick and tired of the game being a social hour with the parents always going up and talking to their kids in game....
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Old 08-01-17, 04:49 AM
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Funny. They make it sound so easy.

From an umpire's perspective, I laugh inside when a coach or a parent yells about a pitcher not pausing and wanting the balk called. What they have just done is made the pitcher aware that he appears to be going to fast and inevitably they slow down and they have actually helped the pitcher out.
HAHA...for sure. It's always nice to give the pitcher a warning.

I know way off topic here, but also...I get frustrated when I see a pitcher swing the ball beyond his front leg while getting the sign in the stretch. It's trivial, but a balk nonetheless.
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Old 08-01-17, 04:52 AM
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I concur!
You have the coaches yelling at the kids, and the parents and grandparents and other parents. Sometimes ya have three different opinions yelling at the kid on what to do!

That is why I said I would not want to coach at th youth level. At the HS level about once every other year we had a disgruntled parent and a nasty phone call/message but for the most part they kept their mouths shut at games.

I think by that time they know how to act at games, know the rules a little bit better and realize how embarrassing they can be when they act like idiots!

Last year at my step sons youth game parents were giving an ump a hard time on a ball that was in foul territory, like a swinging but sort of thing, and rolled fair. Of course, not touched so it was a fair ball.

boy oh boy did some parents go off. After it all settled down I spoke up to the ump and told him "Blue, that was the right call. Nice Job" and a few of the parents looked at me like..what the hell, you are a fan of OUR team.


Parents need to read the document The Matheny Manifesto. If you haven't heard of it.....look it up. I get sick and tired of the game being a social hour with the parents always going up and talking to their kids in game....
Agreed on all this...you see this in all sports though. Go to an 4th grade AAU game and a riser senior AAU game...parents just have to learn. Also known as first child (or only child) syndrome. By the time the second child comes through, most parents have recognized how stupid they look. LOL!
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Old 08-01-17, 08:44 AM
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Best summer tournament rule I have seen in place was at the Cap Classic tournament in Pittsburgh area last year. If the ump tosses a parent from the stands then the coach goes too. Drunk dad was riding an ump hard up Slippery Rock stadium in first inning and it was bye bye time for him and coach. Needless to say drunk dad was nowhere to be seen rest of the weekend and the other parents were prim and proper the rest of the time.

Also, the reason you see well behaved parents at high school games 99% of the time is that the law it laid down to the parents by the head coaches at the Meet the Team nights in preseason. State high school rules mandate that coaches are in charge of the behavior their fans in the stands as well as on the benches and their assistant coaches. Good coaches work hand in hand with the umpires to maintain control of lippy parents. More of that needs to pertain to summer ball coaching as well. Umpires work hard and make mistakes like we all do, but get the calls right most of the time even as instant replay proves in MLB. Parents who don't know the rules and only care care about little Billy's batting average or ERA being blown ruin games for everyone around them.
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Old 08-09-17, 12:13 PM
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best summer tournament rule i have seen in place was at the cap classic tournament in pittsburgh area last year. If the ump tosses a parent from the stands then the coach goes too. Drunk dad was riding an ump hard up slippery rock stadium in first inning and it was bye bye time for him and coach. Needless to say drunk dad was nowhere to be seen rest of the weekend and the other parents were prim and proper the rest of the time.

Also, the reason you see well behaved parents at high school games 99% of the time is that the law it laid down to the parents by the head coaches at the meet the team nights in preseason. State high school rules mandate that coaches are in charge of the behavior their fans in the stands as well as on the benches and their assistant coaches. Good coaches work hand in hand with the umpires to maintain control of lippy parents. More of that needs to pertain to summer ball coaching as well. Umpires work hard and make mistakes like we all do, but get the calls right most of the time even as instant replay proves in mlb. Parents who don't know the rules and only care care about little billy's batting average or era being blown ruin games for everyone around them.
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Old 08-10-17, 04:41 PM
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This happened to my son at 12u this year. Was wild early, rushing to get the ball to home as the running game was hurting him. Opposing coach starts going bozo about lack of pause ( prob by the book correct). This immediatly fixed the wildness. Also got him into a sequence of looking the runner back a bit. Opposing bats were quiet untill pitch count reached. 100% chance if coach shuts up he does not last another inning.
I also do what I call preventative umpiring.

If I am behind the plate and notice a kid is on the verge of being too quick. I have told the catcher quietly to go out and remind his pitcher to slow it down.

During pitching changes when I am on the bases, after I talk to the pitcher reminding him of the situation when the ball is put in play, I will say quietly to him to make sure he pauses so we don't have to zing him in a tight situation.
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