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View Poll Results: IMG Academy - good or bad for high school football
I like the football factory at IMG Academy 14 22.58%
I don't like the football factory at IMG Academy 30 48.39%
I hope a hurricane wipes out the IMG Academy 9 14.52%
I wanna be invited to the IMG reunion with Anna Kournikova & Maria Sharapova 9 14.52%
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Old 08-02-18, 09:18 PM
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IMG Academy - Good or Bad for high school football (POLL)

From sbnation:
The IMG Academy in Bradenton, Fla., is not like other high schools. It’s a prep school that’s explicitly built to develop athletes, who start their days with early cardio work and spend hours honing their craft. IMG sponsors seven sports other than football, but it’s developed a reputation as a football factory. It’s a gold mine for college recruiters.

If you took the 25 highest-rated players from IMG in the class of 2018 and somehow got them into one class, you’d wind up with a 278.42 class score on the 247Sports Composite, per the website’s class calculator. In national class rankings, that class would slot in at No. 5, just ahead of Miami and behind Ohio State, Georgia, Texas, and Penn State (and both Ohio State and Texas would slip a spot each, if their classes lost their IMG commits). It would hold in the top 10 through Feb. 7’s National Signing Day.

That underlines the importance of one school in the national recruiting landscape.
If you don’t have relationships in South Florida and at IMG, you’re closing yourself off to the single easiest place to see blue-chip talent. The school has 12 players ranked four or five stars in 2018, and some of its lower-rated three-stars have signed with Power 5 programs.

The two best players at IMG this year are Clemson defensive end signee Xavier Thomas and Ohio State defensive tackle signee Taron Vincent. Both are close to unstoppable mixes of speed and power.

This equation changes little from year to year. In 2017, IMG’s players could’ve yielded a top-five class all on their own, too.
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And from wiki.......

IMG Academy is a preparatory boarding school and sport training destination in Bradenton, Florida, United States. The boarding school offers an integrated academic and athletic college preparatory experience across eight sports – baseball, basketball, football, golf, lacrosse, soccer, tennis, and track & field and cross country.

History - it all started with tennis....

Nick Bollettieri founded the Nick Bollettieri Tennis Academy in 1978. Sports and entertainment company IMG purchased the academy in 1987.

In 1987, thirty-two academy students or former students were in the Wimbledon draw and twenty-seven were in the U.S. Open. The famous students included Andre Agassi, Monica Seles, Jim Courier, Kei Nishikori, Anna Kournikova, Serena Williams, and Maria Sharapova.


So do you like what IMG is doing in high school sports, and football in particular?

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Old 08-02-18, 09:31 PM
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For a certain, very driven, subset of kids, IMG is a great choice. Itís always good to have choices.
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Old 08-03-18, 06:14 AM
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If they became a Catholic school, I'd be more favorable
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Old 08-03-18, 06:49 AM
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If they became a Catholic school, I'd be more favorable



A National football school: is that philosophically any different than the soccer, tennis, swim, gymnastics programs that elite players belong to instead of their high school programs?
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Old 08-03-18, 07:07 AM
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A National football school: is that philosophically any different than the soccer, tennis, swim, gymnastics programs that elite players belong to instead of their high school programs?
Precisely.
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Old 08-03-18, 07:29 AM
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Oak Hill in VA was always a basketball boarding school where elite kids attended to get maximum exposure. To each his own I guess.
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Old 08-03-18, 07:41 AM
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look kids need sports but they also need a plain for after cause you do not know if a kids is going to go injury free all they way through. If they are all sports all the time they burn out or the do not pay attention to their school work. I have seen schools where a kid is a star athlete and he get passing grades because of him being the star then after he is done where does he go then. Look trying to give kids a better chance to get out of a life style also means to show them how to be a educated young person that can act and be a functioning part of society. Not just use them and get them gone. That is why we have the problems we have now.
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Im surprised we don't have more of this. Just look at the MLB academies in Latin America, and we wonder why they are taking over the game. Not as sure about the details but isnt most international soccer this way? Kids (12-13) join the youth academies of major clubs and work their way up through the ranks. Football is very different only because there is no "minor leagues" HS feeds colleges, colleges feed the NFL. I dont see this changing in the near future.
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To each his own. It’s not for everybody. You not only need to be an elite athlete, you need some Benjamin’s to get in. With an annual tuition of around 70 grand, somebody REALLY has to believe in your talents to pay for the opportunity to go there. And they stress acedemics as well as sports training. They play at their own level. I don’t believe they play for State Titles. It’s not like they are beating up on the little guys. I don’t see it as being any different than a business or art prep school. If that’s your goal in life, commit to being the best you can be. The bummer is that some local high school in small town USA probably lost a kid that may have been the best athlete to ever graduate in that schools history. And that probably pisses a lot of people off.
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Old 08-03-18, 09:34 AM
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Let me first qualify this as maybe a traditionalist, archaic take.

Admittedly, I've been drawn to national high school polls since the advent of Prepnation and USA Today, due in large part to the success of the Cincinnati and Cleveland teams over the last 20+ years. Knowing that most of it means little, it still is a source of pride when you can speak highly of your alma mater, and point to some recognition outside of your local paper. That being said, these factories are now being grouped into the same conversations, often headlining articles, High School Showcases, etc., when they don't even come close to resembling a traditional high school.

The teams are AWESOME. Of course they are. Selective breeding of freak athletes who can have some intrasquad competition against actual peers. If I had the talent and the means, I would have gone there too.

I just don't think IMG and others of the same ilk deserve accolades as a high school team, when they're merely masqueraded as such. They are a recruitment agency who will offer the elite athlete his or her best chance for earning an athletic scholarship.

Can you imagine seeing what the Midland Redskins would do to even the best of the recent Moeller baseball teams?

Is IMG bad for the sport? Probably not. Just group them accordingly with the other factories. Let them travel the country and play only each other. And give them a different sandbox than "high school" sports.
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Old 08-03-18, 09:50 AM
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Let me first qualify this as maybe a traditionalist, archaic take.

Admittedly, I've been drawn to national high school polls since the advent of Prepnation and USA Today, due in large part to the success of the Cincinnati and Cleveland teams over the last 20+ years. Knowing that most of it means little, it still is a source of pride when you can speak highly of your alma mater, and point to some recognition outside of your local paper. That being said, these factories are now being grouped into the same conversations, often headlining articles, High School Showcases, etc., when they don't even come close to resembling a traditional high school.

The teams are AWESOME. Of course they are. Selective breeding of freak athletes who can have some intrasquad competition against actual peers. If I had the talent and the means, I would have gone there too.

I just don't think IMG and others of the same ilk deserve accolades as a high school team, when they're merely masqueraded as such. They are a recruitment agency who will offer the elite athlete his or her best chance for earning an athletic scholarship.

Can you imagine seeing what the Midland Redskins would do to even the best of the recent Moeller baseball teams?

Is IMG bad for the sport? Probably not. Just group them accordingly with the other factories. Let them travel the country and play only each other. And give them a different sandbox than "high school" sports.
I agree. I don't know how you'd differentiate them tho. Maybe the national polls would need to clarify that "ranked" schools are members of their state HS athletic association (i.e. OHSAA). I think state associations need to follow National HS AA rules (NFHS). Then the outliers (IMG and others) would either need to tweak their programs to comply (might be hard to do) or not be included in the ranking. If they aren't ranked, then perhaps the motivation to play them would be reduced. If other national powers aren't playing them, then they can just play other IMG type of programs and not be ranked.
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Old 08-03-18, 09:52 AM
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Invalid poll. Doesn't include the best option - I don't care at all about some school in Florida.
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Old 08-03-18, 09:55 AM
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Invalid poll. Doesn't include the best option - I don't care at all about some school in Florida.
Sorry for my oversight. If I were you, I'd go with "the hurricane" as your next best option!
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Old 08-03-18, 10:43 AM
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I don’t think it’s about any poll. It’s about preparing for the next level and for many, the level after that. I always see on here that to be the best, you have to beat the best. Well these athletes are competing against some of the best everyday. That will only make them better. No deer in headlights look when they get to their first college practice with Florida or Bama or The Ohio State University. They will be prepared because of the environment they have lived in the last few years. So I think the polls are an after thought. The only number one ranking they want is in the NFL Draft. Because let’s face it. These kids are thinking about Sunday afternoons when they play on Friday night.
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Cream rises to the top. These kids going there are just paying for a dream that these used car salesmen are selling them. Add in the good but not great players that are paying tuition just to end up at some low level DI school and never sniff the NFL. What a waste of money and childhood.
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Old 08-03-18, 11:13 AM
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Some of you seem to be caught up on the $70,000+ tuition.

Most of the football players don't pay a dime. They have scholarships.
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Old 08-03-18, 11:34 AM
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They are doing something right, google the list of NFL, MLB and NBA players that have graduated from IMG.
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For a certain, very driven, subset of kids, IMG is a great choice. Itís always good to have choices.
It really is just as simple as this. If we were seeing a change of our school systems across the country to one similar to this, particularly sports based, then we would have a problem and something real to discuss. Due to the limited availability and participation in schools such as this, what we are instead seeing is simply an addition to our current school system, not a change. And as stated, this addition does nothing more but give families more options for their kids.

These schools are geared towards the elite of the elite in their sports, the top 1%. It's no different than specialist types of schools in other areas of academia such as cooking, art, music, dance, technologies. These schools are built to hyper focus on the special skills of specific types of kids.

If a kid is gifted in an area is there something wrong with finding an academic environment to help blossom that gift? I guess that's the real question, and my personal answer to that is emphatically no. But again, that is based on what we are currently seeing with IMG and the likes. Highly specialized schools that really only address and even affect a minute percentage of the population.

I've seen the similar argument with soccer and the introduction of the US Development Academy. Many have argued that it can and will lead to the destruction of high school soccer due to rules that academy players can not participate with their high school teams, plus other limitations. But what gets lost in that thinking is how many kids does it really affect. Like places like IMG, the soccer DA caters to the elite of the elite. Yes those kids are taken out of the pool of high school soccer for competitive purposes, but is that small percentage really killing high school soccer? My answers is no. IMG has many of the top high school football recruits in the nation all in one place. Has high school football seen a drop in competitiveness around the country because of that? Has Ohio? I'd say no.

So my question is, what harm is a school such as IMG doing to the country as a whole? I ask because I personally can't come up with an answer to that. And if they aren't hurting the country, what's the real problem?

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Just the survey itself has bias against IMG Academy. It isn't a football factory. The academics are extremely rigorous and so is the physical demand. As far as thtuition, it was free for my son. He got a full scholarship So it was free room and board and some of the best coaching in the Nation. He was a 4.26 student when he graduated. He attended both Catholic and public schools and was an excellent student at all of them. So I am not guessing on the academics as many on here are guessing or just throwing out misinformation.
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Cream rises to the top. These kids going there are just paying for a dream that these used car salesmen are selling them. Add in the good but not great players that are paying tuition just to end up at some low level DI school and never sniff the NFL. What a waste of money and childhood.
My son is at one of the top colleges in the Nation, and he graduated from IMG I think over 30 of his teammates received scholarships to top D1 programs. Yoh will see many of his teammates this year on Saturdays. Like Shea Patterson ( Michigan) Tony Jones ( Notre Dame) Some you will see on Sundays like Bo Scarbrough If my son never sees a down in the NFL he will have made over $500k off of football, have played in the B1G, and graduated with one of the best degrees in the country. There is NO better place on the planet to prepare a student athlete for big time football than IMG Academy.
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It really is just as simple as this. If we were seeing a change of our school systems across the country to one similar to this, particularly sports based, then we would have a problem and something real to discuss. Due to the limited availability and participation in schools such as this, what we are instead seeing is simply an addition to our current school system, not a change. And as stated, this addition does nothing more but give families more options for their kids.

These schools are geared towards the elite of the elite in their sports, the top 1%. It's no different than specialist types of schools in other areas of academia such as cooking, art, music, dance, technologies. These schools are built to hyper focus on the special skills of specific types of kids.

If a kid is gifted in an area is there something wrong with finding an academic environment to help blossom that gift? I guess that's the real question, and my personal answer to that is emphatically no. But again, that is based on what we are currently seeing with IMG and the likes. Highly specialized schools that really only address and even affect a minute percentage of the population.

I've seen the similar argument with soccer and the introduction of the US Development Academy. Many have argued that it can and will lead to the destruction of high school soccer due to rules that academy players can not participate with their high school teams, plus other limitations. But what gets lost in that thinking is how many kids does it really affect. Like places like IMG, the soccer DA caters to the elite of the elite. Yes those kids are taken out of the pool of high school soccer for competitive purposes, but is that small percentage really killing high school soccer? My answers is no. IMG has many of the top high school football recruits in the nation all in one place. Has high school football seen a drop in competitiveness around the country because of that? Has Ohio? I'd say no.

So my question is, what harm is a school such as IMG doing to the country as a whole? I ask because I personally can't come up with an answer to that. And if they aren't hurting the country, what's the real problem?

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look kids need sports but they also need a plain for after cause you do not know if a kids is going to go injury free all they way through. If they are all sports all the time they burn out or the do not pay attention to their school work. I have seen schools where a kid is a star athlete and he get passing grades because of him being the star then after he is done where does he go then. Look trying to give kids a better chance to get out of a life style also means to show them how to be a educated young person that can act and be a functioning part of society. Not just use them and get them gone. That is why we have the problems we have now.
The academics at IMG Academy are brutal. IMG prepares these athletes for life. IMG Academy is the closest thing to D1 college football. It prepares them for the rigors of a D1 athletes work load on and off the field. What you are taking about sounds more of a parenting situation than a school situation.
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Im surprised we don't have more of this. Just look at the MLB academies in Latin America, and we wonder why they are taking over the game. Not as sure about the details but isnt most international soccer this way? Kids (12-13) join the youth academies of major clubs and work their way up through the ranks. Football is very different only because there is no "minor leagues" HS feeds colleges, colleges feed the NFL. I dont see this changing in the near future.
I agree with this, I'm surprised we don't have more of these. MLB has the Latin American academies and in Europe, the norm is for professional soccer clubs to all have youth academies. We here in the USA are different with our school sports model, I think it is a good model but it is not the only model for sure. Whoever said it earlier, it's a great school for a group of driven kids and they provide top notch academics as well, which we can all agree is more important. I don't think this diminishes other schools though, especially for sports, if you are good enough, they will find you no matter where you play.
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I agree with this, I'm surprised we don't have more of these. MLB has the Latin American academies and in Europe, the norm is for professional soccer clubs to all have youth academies. We here in the USA are different with our school sports model, I think it is a good model but it is not the only model for sure. Whoever said it earlier, it's a great school for a group of driven kids and they provide top notch academics as well, which we can all agree is more important. I don't think this diminishes other schools though, especially for sports, if you are good enough, they will find you no matter where you play.
You don't just go to IMG Academy for scholarships. Mine had 9 as a Sophomore. But he wasn't being coaches properly at the school he was at. And he wasn't playing against tough competition He went to prepare for the next level. To give him an idea of where he was, and where he needed to be. And to get use to the time management skills needed at the next level.
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I guess I'll look at it from the opposite perspective than some on here.

The exact same number of kids will make it to play college football that made it 10 years ago, 20 years ago, and even longer ago than that. The NFL will field the same number of kids. They really don't care where you went to college or high school.

The only difference is that you are moving the pieces around on the board. Instead of these 30 kids representing their 30 different high schools and creating community pride, they are being collected into one location. It might be "cool" to see all these kids form a super team.

The cost in the long run might be the continued downward spiral in youth sports participation. We've seen it in travel sports. Once that carrot of "better competition" is waved in front of parents, they spend all their time and effort giving their kid the best opportunity they can afford. At the same time, the community leagues suffer and begin to fold. Baseball, softball, and basketball are a shell of their former selves. I don't think any of those sports are better off today because kids chose to specialize so early. Now these sports academies are taking it to a whole new level.

It might be a handful of sports academies right now but the next wave is coming. Maybe those new schools will go a little easier on the education and a little harder on the athletics. Might even get to a point where academics at some of these schools don't matter as long as they keep churning out future NFL and NBA players. IMO, this is a bad thing for HS sports, even for the elite of the elite.
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Just the survey itself has bias against IMG Academy. It isn't a football factory. The academics are extremely rigorous and so is the physical demand. As far as thtuition, it was free for my son. He got a full scholarship So it was free room and board and some of the best coaching in the Nation. He was a 4.26 student when he graduated. He attended both Catholic and public schools and was an excellent student at all of them. So I am not guessing on the academics as many on here are guessing or just throwing out misinformation.
When you see Iíve included hurricanes hitting the campus and drinks with Maria Sharapova in my poll, youíre safe to assume most arenít taking my poll too seriously.
On the other hand, congrats and best wishes to your son for a long and healthy career!
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When you see Iíve included hurricanes hitting the campus and drinks with Maria Sharapova in my poll, youíre safe to assume most arenít taking my poll too seriously.
On the other hand, congrats and best wishes to your son for a long and healthy career!
Thank you. You wouid be surprised how many people wouid like to see it hit by a hurricane. I don't understand it. It is strictly voluntary to attend, and nobody is forcing people to pay that tuition. I personally am thankful for what IMG did for my son. He is holding a 3.7 GPA at a high academic school while playing B1G football, I feel IMG prepared him to transition from High School to a D1 high academic college. This is no different than leaving a public school for a Catholic school.
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I was lucky enough to visit the campus in February of 2017. Went to watch a friends son who plays MLS soccer and they had some preseason exhibition games down there. Simply beautiful facility! And no, we don’t really want a hurricane to hit campus!
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Im surprised we don't have more of this. Just look at the MLB academies in Latin America, and we wonder why they are taking over the game. Not as sure about the details but isnt most international soccer this way? Kids (12-13) join the youth academies of major clubs and work their way up through the ranks. Football is very different only because there is no "minor leagues" HS feeds colleges, colleges feed the NFL. I dont see this changing in the near future.
internationally, there are academies tied to some/most clubs in each country. should be noted that the academic expectations/tracking are very different outside the USA than within the USA
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I wish we had more of these type of schools and programs in the country. I wish we had more of them for the arts too. I wish we had schools that focused on skills and developed young men and women in those skills while they are getting an education appropriate to their talent. That is.. everybody can be a good student but not everybody is strong academically. Whether it is sports, singing, dancing, painting or designing... unless you attend a school that has a good program in these areas, the student and his/her parents have to figure out on their own.
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