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Old 03-07-17, 06:46 PM
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As of now, he still belongs to the Reds. Contrary to what 14Red says, DFAing a player is not the same as cutting him from the organization.
If no one claims him on waivers, he can be brought back to the 40-man roster, traded, outrighted to Louisville -- or, of course, given his release.
Bryan Price has even talked about bringing him back (should the current crop not pan out).
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Old 03-08-17, 03:41 PM
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As of now, he still belongs to the Reds. Contrary to what 14Red says, DFAing a player is not the same as cutting him from the organization.
If no one claims him on waivers, he can be brought back to the 40-man roster, traded, outrighted to Louisville -- or, of course, given his release.
Bryan Price has even talked about bringing him back (should the current crop not pan out).
True Monclova, but by moving him off the 40 man, bringing him back to the bigs (at his age) is unlikely unless there is a slew of injuries. They would have to move him back on the 40 man to get him back to Cincy.
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Old 03-10-17, 12:06 PM
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True Monclova, but by moving him off the 40 man, bringing him back to the bigs (at his age) is unlikely unless there is a slew of injuries. They would have to move him back on the 40 man to get him back to Cincy.
So, thanks for clearing that up, that a player needs to be on the roster to play. Useful.

Why do you bring up his age? If I scroll back on this thread you are in favor of bringing Arroyo on at age 40. Why is Diaz's age (33) an issue for you? I'd say the bigger issue is that Diaz can't get guys out often enough. If he could, he'd be on the roster.
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Old 03-10-17, 12:39 PM
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14Red just constantly talks in circling nonsense.
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Old 03-10-17, 01:13 PM
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So, thanks for clearing that up, that a player needs to be on the roster to play. Useful.

Why do you bring up his age? If I scroll back on this thread you are in favor of bringing Arroyo on at age 40. Why is Diaz's age (33) an issue for you? I'd say the bigger issue is that Diaz can't get guys out often enough. If he could, he'd be on the roster.
Ok, Diaz...a little on age, but largely on ineffectiveness...please do not ever compare Jumbo Diaz body of work with Bronson Arroyo. Remember Bronson has a minor league contract with an invite to spring training...Jumbo has (or had) a major league contract. Big difference. Bronson stopped pitching two years ago due to injury. Jumbo can't get guys out.
And you are correct, if he was good enough, he'd still be on the roster.
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Old 03-10-17, 01:14 PM
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14Red just constantly talks in circling nonsense.
Nice take Winston, come up with that all by yourself?
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Old 03-10-17, 03:43 PM
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...please do not ever compare Jumbo Diaz body of work with Bronson Arroyo.
I didn't. I wouldn't. Show me where I did?

Do you think the Reds should be making roster decisions based on their prior body of work? I don't. It should be based on two things, and #1 is far more important than #2, given our rebuilding status.
#1 - Is this a player that factors, or hopefully factors, into the longer term plans for the Reds?
#2 - Is this a player that is among the 40 best in your camp.

You seem to think many other things matter in roster and playing time decisions. You have mentioned these factors previously:
- players prior body of work (Arroyo)
- players salary (BP)
- making the Hall of Fame ceremony pleasant (BP)

If these things are factoring in the Reds roster decisions, the Reds need different people to make the roster decisions.

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Old 03-10-17, 03:45 PM
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Well 14Red can rest easy. Jumbo claimed by the Rays
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Old 03-11-17, 07:26 PM
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Well 14Red can rest easy. Jumbo claimed by the Rays
He'll be remembered for decades to come
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Old 03-12-17, 12:18 PM
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Sounds like Desclafani has a season ending surgery coming his way at some point. Elbow soreness keeps coming back
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Old 03-12-17, 12:19 PM
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Desclafani to start season on DL. Sucks
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Old 03-12-17, 12:44 PM
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The Reds just can't catch any breaks.
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Old 03-12-17, 02:43 PM
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I thought they should have sold high on him at the trading deadline last year.
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Old 03-13-17, 09:21 AM
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Horrible news for the Reds and Anthony DeSclafani. He's not thrown yet and the season starts in a few weeks. So put him in the Homer Bailey camp and we'll see you in May or June. Meanwhile, this starting staff is looking more like the bullpen from last season.
It's only going to take a bunch of our young arms to come out of nowhere to save the beginning of the season.
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Old 03-13-17, 10:47 AM
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Old 03-13-17, 12:33 PM
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I thought they should have sold high on him at the trading deadline last year.
DeSclafani is cheap, young and up until now, healthy...why would you have traded him? He's exactly what we need.
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Old 03-13-17, 12:42 PM
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Because buy low and sell high, that's why.
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Old 03-13-17, 12:49 PM
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DeSclafani is cheap, young and up until now, healthy...why would you have traded him? He's exactly what we need.
Exactly why his sell value was sky high, plus I think he has hit his ceiling. Guys like you would have been cleaned out trading for a guy like Disco from me.
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Old 03-13-17, 12:58 PM
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Exactly why his sell value was sky high, plus I think he has hit his ceiling. Guys like you would have been cleaned out trading for a guy like Disco from me.
And what would you have hoped to get for Disco?? This is intriguing... We have a load of young arms, you have a semi-established arm who is cheap and you want to give him away??

I think he's going to be a solid #3/ #4 starting pitcher for us for the next 3-4 seasons. Time will tell...
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Old 03-13-17, 01:40 PM
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And what would you have hoped to get for Disco?? This is intriguing... We have a load of young arms, you have a semi-established arm who is cheap and you want to give him away??

I think he's going to be a solid #3/ #4 starting pitcher for us for the next 3-4 seasons. Time will tell...
Nah, I'd want to trade him, not give him away. Why are you always so stupid?
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Old 03-13-17, 01:51 PM
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DeSclafani is cheap, young and up until now, healthy...why would you have traded him?
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We have a load of young arms, you have a semi-established arm who is cheap and you want to give him away??
In the matter of 1 post, 14Red went from understanding ep meant trade to thinking ep meant giving him away.
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Btw, I don't think the Reds are loaded with talented young arms. As a matter of fact, I still think there is a lot of work to do there.
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Old 03-13-17, 02:26 PM
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In the matter of 1 post, 14Red went from understanding ep meant trade to thinking ep meant giving him away.
He is the master of the Straw Man argument. He uses it so often, he has it down pat.

Problem is, I don't think he has any idea what I'm talking about.
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Old 03-13-17, 04:19 PM
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Btw, I don't think the Reds are loaded with talented young arms. As a matter of fact, I still think there is a lot of work to do there.
Most of them are just mediocre imo. Doubtful any of them will ever develop into a legit ace.

If Hamilton has a good first half it'd be nice to ship him off too.
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Old 03-13-17, 04:36 PM
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Agree on Hamilton. Need to unload him before the rest of the league figures out he's not going to get on base enough to be a legit lead off hitter.
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Old 03-14-17, 11:12 AM
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On Jumbo, good riddance. On the Hamilton comments, I agree. On Disco injury, ARGH!

On the "I would have traded DeSclafani after last year" discussion... While I generally agree with the logic of "buy low, sell high", that only makes sense if you think the player will not be as good going forward as he is now. If you think he will perform at the same level, or maybe improve, and he is young, then you keep him. I saw nothing from Disco that made me think last year was a fluke. He has been improving slowly and steadily since he came to Cincy. A keeper in my book. Of course, the injury makes it all different.

If a team overuses the buy low, sell high approach and trades every young player after a good season, you never reap the benefits of player development.
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Old 03-14-17, 11:32 AM
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Second year in a row Disco goes down in ST. I don't think he will develop into a durable consistent starter. I menationed dealing him last year, but I can certainly understand the organization's reluctance in doing so.
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Old 03-14-17, 03:27 PM
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Nah, I'd want to trade him, not give him away. Why are you always so stupid?
Obviously there wasn't a good enough offer for him then. It's not stupidity, always nice to resort to name calling... I suppose now you want to trade him since his hurt and will wonder why we can't??
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Old 03-14-17, 03:30 PM
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A day late as usual EP, the Reds did shop Hamilton and no one offered enough for him, so we keep the best centerfielder in baseball and hopefully he gets on base as much as he did the latter part of last season. He's still relatively cheap, if it doesn't work out after this year, then we possibly move on. Billy's worth what we pay him now strictly from a defensive standpoint, at least our pitchers would agree.
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Did you just state Billy Hamilton is the best center fielder in baseball? You typed that and really believe that?

But then you state if it doesn't work out we can move on? Why would we move on from the best centefielder in baseball.?
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