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Old 05-22-19, 08:14 AM
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A novel Henry Ford Hospital study of mice aboard a Russian spaceflight may raise an intriguing question for the astronauts of tomorrow: Could traveling in space be bad for your joints?
So I'd have an arthritic hip no matter whether I'm walking around on earth or floating in space? No justice.
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Old 05-22-19, 05:30 PM
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So I'd have an arthritic hip no matter whether I'm walking around on earth or floating in space? No justice.
As long as you never came back to earth you would probably be fine and never feel those aches & pains!

These physiological issues are something they're going to have to address for those long space voyages to Mars & beyond. Generating spin gravity is one approach while new medical & implant procedures may also prove to be the answer.
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Old 05-23-19, 04:00 PM
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Fly me to the moon.............

https://phys.org/news/2019-05-nasa-u...n-mission.html


NASA on Thursday unveiled the calendar for the "Artemis" program that will return astronauts to the Moon for the first time in half a century, including eight scheduled launches and a mini-station in lunar orbit by 2024.

The original lunar missions were named for Apollo—Artemis was his twin sister in Greek mythology, and the goddess of hunting, wilderness and the Moon.

Administrator Jim Bridenstine confirmed that Artemis 1 will be an uncrewed mission around the Moon planned for 2020.

Next will come Artemis 2, which will orbit Earth's satellite with a crew around 2022; followed finally by Artemis 3 that will put astronauts on lunar soil in 2024, including the first woman.
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Old 05-24-19, 05:42 AM
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Interesting theory on how Earth got its water:

https://nypost.com/2019/05/23/earths...ion-years-ago/


Water arrived on Earth at exactly the same time that the moon was created over 4 billion years ago, according to a new study.

This phenomenon is thought to have happened when an “ancient planet” called Theia smashed into Earth.

Planetologists at the University of Münster in Germany have collected evidence to suggest that Theia, a Mars-sized celestial object from the outer solar system, collided with Earth and enabled life on the planet. The results were published in Nature Astronomy.

This collision is said to have resulted in large quantities of water being transferred from Theia onto the Earth and forming the oceans, similar to how we know them today.



So maybe Earth was "Terraformed" by ancient aliens who shoved this "Mars sized object" into the earth to give us water. Or did we just get lucky and win the cosmic Super Lotto?
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Old 05-24-19, 12:15 PM
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They must have been really patient. It took over a billion years for multicellular organisms to show up
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Old 05-24-19, 08:24 PM
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They must have been really patient. It took over a billion years for multicellular organisms to show up
They were taking the long view!

I read a science fiction novel years ago and I can't recall the title but it was about how mammals & reptiles had been fighting interstellar wars for a hundred million years across the galaxy.

The story was set a couple of hundred years in our future with humanity fighting a war of annihilation against a species of smart snakes. But the story began 65 million years ago with a ship containing a crew of raccoon like creatures slamming an asteroid into earth to kill off the dinosaurs and paving the way for mammals to emerge as the dominant species.

I thought that was a cool concept.
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Old 05-26-19, 08:37 AM
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Another reason why we need an asteroid defense system ASAP:

https://www.upi.com/Science_News/201...58698052/?sl=1


Asteroid 1999 KW4, measuring more than a mile in diameter and boasting its own moon, will fly by Earth on Saturday. Thankfully, the massive space rock will make its pass at a safe distance.

It has it's own moon!
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Old 05-28-19, 06:49 AM
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Exotic matter is the future!


https://phys.org/news/2019-05-scient...tmosphere.html


Scientists from Ireland and France today announced a major new finding about how matter behaves in the extreme conditions of the Sun's atmosphere.

The scientists used large radio telescopes and ultraviolet cameras on a NASA spacecraft to better understand the exotic but poorly understood "fourth state of matter". Known as plasma, this matter could hold the key to developing safe, clean and efficient nuclear energy generators on Earth. The scientists published their findings in the leading international journal Nature Communications.

Most of the matter we encounter in our everyday lives comes in the form of solid, liquid or gas, but the majority of the Universe is composed of plasma—a highly unstable and electrically charged fluid. The Sun is also made up of this plasma.

Despite being the most common form of matter in the Universe plasma remains a mystery, mainly due to its scarcity in natural conditions on Earth, which makes it difficult to study. Special laboratories on Earth recreate the extreme conditions of space for this purpose, but the Sun represents an all-natural laboratory to study how plasma behaves in conditions that are often too extreme for the manually constructed Earth-based laboratories.

Postdoctoral Researcher at Trinity College Dublin and the Dublin Institute of Advanced Studies (DIAS), Dr. Eoin Carley, led the international collaboration. He said: "The solar atmosphere is a hotbed of extreme activity, with plasma temperatures in excess of 1 million degrees Celsius and particles that travel close to light-speed. The light-speed particles shine bright at radio wavelengths, so we're able to monitor exactly how plasmas behave with large radio telescopes."



Makes sense to study matter under the extreme conditions of the sun as it's not easy to replicate it in the lab.
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Old 05-28-19, 06:51 AM
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We can't have to many rockets!


https://www.axios.com/everything-you...d4cc229da.html


New Glenn is one of two key rockets that are a part of Blue Origin's arsenal.

Why it matters: Jeff Bezos' private space company wants to use the rocket to drive down the cost of bringing large payloads to orbit.
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Old 05-29-19, 06:51 AM
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It appears the universe is younger then it looks!

https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science...re-ncna1005541


We've all lost track of time at one point or another, but astronomers really go all in. Recent studies show they may have overestimated the age of the universe by more than a billion years — a surprising realization that is forcing them to rethink key parts of the scientific story of how we got from the Big Bang to today.
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Old 05-29-19, 07:52 PM
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Here's an interesting marker for life on Mars:

https://phys.org/news/2019-05-fettuc...life-mars.html


A rover scanning the surface of Mars for evidence of life might want to check for rocks that look like pasta, researchers report in the journal Astrobiology.

The bacterium that controls the formation of such rocks on Earth is ancient and thrives in harsh environments that are similar to conditions on Mars, said University of Illinois geology professor Bruce Fouke, who led the new, NASA-funded study.



This is one strange life cycle:

"They form tightly wound cables that wave like a flag that is fixed on one end," he said. The waving cables keep other microbes from attaching. Sulfuri also defends itself by oozing a slippery mucus.

"These Sulfuri cables look amazingly like fettuccine pasta, while further downstream they look more like capellini pasta," Fouke said. The researchers used sterilized pasta forks to collect their samples from Mammoth Hot Springs in Yellowstone National Park.

The team analyzed the microbial genomes, evaluated which genes were being actively translated into proteins and deciphered the organism's metabolic needs, Fouke said.

The team also looked at Sulfuri's rock-building capabilities, finding that proteins on the bacterial surface speed up the rate at which calcium carbonate—also called travertine—crystallizes in and around the cables "1 billion times faster than in any other natural environment on Earth," Fouke said. The result is the deposition of broad swaths of hardened rock with an undulating, filamentous texture.

"This should be an easy form of fossilized life for a rover to detect on other planets," Fouke said.
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Old 05-30-19, 04:31 PM
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Life is tough!

https://www.sciencealert.com/weird-m...urvive-on-mars


Let's face it – compared to Mars, our planet is a biological paradise dripping with moisture and relative absence of toxic chemistry. If we want to know what life might look like on the Red Planet, we need to go hunting in extreme environments.

Ethiopia's Dallol geothermal area could qualify. Minerals from one of the volcano's many hot, acidic, salty springs have been found to contain an ultra-tiny order of microbe, a discovery that helps establish the limits of living chemistry.


And just how nasty is the Dallol geothermal area in Ethiopia? Let's just say it isn't on to many tourist brochures:

To survive in the Dallol volcano's hot springs, with a highly acidic pH of around 0.25, temperatures reaching 90 degrees Celsius (194° F), and surroundings brimming with heavy metals and salts, life would truly need to be gifted.
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Old 05-31-19, 07:58 AM
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Here's an update on the plan to send an armada of tiny robotic space ships to a nearby star to check out the scenery:

https://www.space.com/interstellar-f...hallenges.html


It's still unclear if a bold interstellar-flight project announced three years ago can actually work.

Breakthrough Starshot, a $100 million effort that was unveiled in April 2016, aims to accelerate tiny, sail-equipped robotic probes to tremendous speeds using an array of Earth-based lasers.

The goal is to use fleets of these "nanocraft" to explore nearby exoplanets, such as Proxima b, a potentially life-supporting world that lies just 4.2 light-years from Earth. A traditionally propelled probe would take tens of thousands of years to get to Proxima b, but at 20% the speed of light, Starshot craft could make the trip in just over 20 years.



And just like we said about this earlier in the thread how would we react if we detected a fleet of mini ships heading straight for Earth from interstellar space?

To me this is like sending out probes with directions to Earth - it exhibits a deep naivety about how extraterrestrial sentience might react to our efforts.
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Old 06-01-19, 09:32 AM
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Clay is good!

https://phys.org/news/2019-05-nasa-c...over-clay.html


NASA's Curiosity rover has confirmed that the region on Mars it's exploring, called the "clay-bearing unit," is well deserving of its name. Two samples the rover recently drilled at rock targets called "Aberlady" and "Kilmarie" have revealed the highest amounts of clay minerals ever found during the mission. Both drill targets appear in a new selfie taken by the rover on May 12, 2019, the 2,405th Martian day, or sol, of the mission.

This clay-enriched region, located on the side of lower Mount Sharp, stood out to NASA orbiters before Curiosity landed in 2012. Clay often forms in water, which is essential for life; Curiosity is exploring Mount Sharp to see if it had the conditions to support life billions of years ago. The rover's mineralogy instrument, called CheMin (Chemistry and Mineralogy), provided the first analyses of rock samples drilled in the clay-bearing unit. CheMin also found very little hematite, an iron oxide mineral that was abundant just to the north, on Vera Rubin Ridge.

Other than proof that there was a significant amount of water once in Gale Crater, what these new findings mean for the region is still up for debate. It's likely that the rocks in the area formed as layers of mud in ancient lakes—something Curiosity also found lower on Mount Sharp. Water interacted with sediment over time, leaving an abundance of clay in the rocks there.
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Old 06-01-19, 09:36 AM
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Should we be worried about those flashes of light on the moon?

https://phys.org/news/2019-05-moon.html


It happens several times a week. Sometimes it is only short flashes of light that appear on the surface of the moon. Other light phenomena on the Earth's satellite can last longer. And sometimes there are also places that darken temporarily.

Science does not know exactly how these phenomena occur on the moon. But it has attempted to explain them: the impact of a meteor, for example, should cause a brief glow. Such flashes could also occur when electrically charged particles of the solar wind react with moon dust.



My short answer is NO. If this was an alien armada trying to hide and we were seeing reflections of their warships they're probably not very good at the war thing. Of course maybe they don't care that we can see their preparations.
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Old 06-02-19, 03:55 PM
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Now here's an article that is interesting on a number of levels:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0528095301.htm


A paper published today in the Journal of Geology makes the case: Supernovae bombarded Earth with cosmic energy starting as many as 8 million years ago, with a peak some 2.6 million years ago, initiating an avalanche of electrons in the lower atmosphere and setting off a chain of events that feasibly ended with bipedal hominins such as Homo habilis, dubbed "handy man."

The authors believe atmospheric ionization probably triggered an enormous upsurge in cloud-to-ground lightning strikes that ignited forest fires around the globe. These infernos could be one reason ancestors of Homo sapiens developed bipedalism -- to adapt in savannas that replaced torched forests in northeast Africa.


If this is accurate it speaks to the capricious nature of how sentience might evolve on a planet.

Equally eyeopening is how cosmic "weather" in this case the particles from a local sun going nova bombarding the earth could have a huge effect on global climate:

The KU researcher said the probability that this lightning spike touched off a worldwide upsurge in wildfires is supported by the discovery of carbon deposits found in soils that correspond with the timing of the cosmic-ray bombardment.

"The observation is that there's a lot more charcoal and soot in the world starting a few million years ago," Melott said. "It's all over the place, and nobody has any explanation for why it would have happened all over the world in different climate zones. This could be an explanation. That increase in fires is thought to have stimulated the transition from woodland to savanna in a lot of places -- where you had forests, now you had mostly open grassland with shrubby things here and there. That's thought to be related to human evolution in northeast Africa. Specifically, in the Great Rift Valley where you get all these hominin fossils."


This is one reason why I'm a skeptic of human caused global climate change. The number & impact of extra terrestrial events - from changes in solar output to density of dust particles as the earth moves through space to orbital tilts & wobbles to the impact of particle bombardment from suns going nova - illustrate how little we know about the external factors that can drive climate change.

It's simply scientifically presumptuous to proclaim a dominant human role in GLOBAL climate change in the face of such uncertainty.
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Old 06-02-19, 04:01 PM
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My anthropology professor was hilariously anti-savannah theory. He pointed out how many quadrupeds have a "sentry" position to look over tall grass and that there were virtually no other bipedal species in savannahs (it was likely more advantageous to hide in the grass most of the time than stand out from it), making it extremely unlikely that our ancestor species developed bipedalism that way. He thought it was more likely a result of sexual selection, where the males who were able to balance themselves on 2 legs, freeing up their hands and thus their productivity and carrying ability, won.
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Old 06-02-19, 07:23 PM
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My anthropology professor was hilariously anti-savannah theory. He pointed out how many quadrupeds have a "sentry" position to look over tall grass and that there were virtually no other bipedal species in savannahs (it was likely more advantageous to hide in the grass most of the time than stand out from it), making it extremely unlikely that our ancestor species developed bipedalism that way. He thought it was more likely a result of sexual selection, where the males who were able to balance themselves on 2 legs, freeing up their hands and thus their productivity and carrying ability, won.
The reality is that it was probably a combination of factors that saw us go bipedal. For sure though sexual selection is among the strongest forms of evolutionary pressure.

To be a critic of your prof the savannas may not have been "tall grass" but rather short grass or they were exposed to frequent fires & grazing so again it wasn't like you could easily hide in them. Or during long droughts they shriveled up and died off. Either way a transition from forest to savanna would be expected to have a big effect on proto-humans.
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The strongest point he made, IMO, was that bipedalism doesn't offer many advantages to quad, which why so few land mammals are bipedal. Animals become slower, more clumsy, prone to injury, etc. So, it seems unlikely bipedalism is a result of adaption to the natural environment (geography, predation, etc.) and more likely to be a result of intra-species competition and sexual selection.

To me, it seems as though it is possible that tool-making is the first sign that a primate species are making the transition. If we could go back in time, I think we would see our earliest bidpedal ancestors were the first to discover a rock or piece of wood can make their job easier.
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Old 06-03-19, 06:51 AM
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The strongest point he made, IMO, was that bipedalism doesn't offer many advantages to quad, which why so few land mammals are bipedal. Animals become slower, more clumsy, prone to injury, etc. So, it seems unlikely bipedalism is a result of adaption to the natural environment (geography, predation, etc.) and more likely to be a result of intra-species competition and sexual selection.

To me, it seems as though it is possible that tool-making is the first sign that a primate species are making the transition. If we could go back in time, I think we would see our earliest bidpedal ancestors were the first to discover a rock or piece of wood can make their job easier.
Communication may also be enhanced by bipedilism as it allows one to see the whole face better. There was also the factor of competition among several different kinds of early hominids. Did early hominids from different branches of the species engage in a bipedal race?

Of course any time a discussion of this topic comes up I can't help but to think of other explanations:






leading to this:



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Then of course, we have this....



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Communication may also be enhanced by bipedilism as it allows one to see the whole face better. There was also the factor of competition among several different kinds of early hominids. Did early hominids from different branches of the species engage in a bipedal race?

Of course any time a discussion of this topic comes up I can't help but to think of other explanations:






leading to this:



I don't think that is true for primates (or most animals, really).

I think there is evidence of multiple bipedal hominid species (or at least subspecies, similar to modern humans and neanderthals), but I don't know if it's concrete.
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Great scene from that movie!
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I don't think that is true for primates (or most animals, really).

I think there is evidence of multiple bipedal hominid species (or at least subspecies, similar to modern humans and neanderthals), but I don't know if it's concrete.

I'm pretty ignorant about this stuff as it hasn't been a topic I've dived into but it is fascinating. I found this nice intro into all the different hominids that existed and I definitely would have gotten the over wrong at 15! That's a lot.

https://medium.com/@promit/the-15-ty...e-4d1eb036ba46

That we coexisted with several of these species is weird. I wonder how much of basic human folklore about such things as "trolls" and "ogres" are related to this racial memory?
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I'd be a little skeptical. I imagine in time we'll find some of these were the same species. And only a few were contemporaneous.
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I'd be a little skeptical. I imagine in time we'll find some of these were the same species. And only a few were contemporaneous.
I get that but the thought that there were even a few who were around in our early days is amazing to me. Do you have a recommendation for a good general book on this topic Crusaders? Something at a lay persons level.
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A thought provoking article on the possible ethical dilemmas facing our colonization of the moon and by extension the rest of the solar system:

https://www.space.com/using-the-moon...questions.html


While I can agree with some of the authors concerns and believe that some of these things will need to be worked out ahead of our establishing settlements on the moon the article reeked of over regulation and legalese.

It seems to me that if you want to stifle space exploration & colonization then start treating the whole thing as a regulatory bureaucrat or lawyer would. Here's an example:

As with all mining projects on Earth, there are concerns about environmental sustainability and whether it is appropriate for mining corporations to profit from the commercialization of natural resources in space.

Then there is the concern over worker safety regulations and how these could be enforced at such a distance from Earth. Miners may be exploited, as it would be difficult to leave in search of better working conditions.


Environmental sustainability on the Moon! And if you don't let corporations profit from space exploration you'll get a whole lot less space exploration. Especially of the practical kind!

But the question of worker safety is a good one. Some country's could mine the moon & asteroids with minimal safety protocols in place while others are over burdened. It will make for some interesting negotiations.
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I get that but the thought that there were even a few who were around in our early days is amazing to me. Do you have a recommendation for a good general book on this topic Crusaders? Something at a lay persons level.
I don't unfortunately. If you want to glance at our text book, it was Our Origins by Clark Spencer Larsen. We only really used it for assignments and test questions, though. Most lectures were the profs own material (which were usually better than the textbook).
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I don't unfortunately. If you want to glance at our text book, it was Our Origins by Clark Spencer Larsen. We only really used it for assignments and test questions, though. Most lectures were the profs own material (which were usually better than the textbook).
Thanks Crusaders I'll give it a look and do an Amazon book search to boot!

And you were lucky to have that kind of professor. They are few and far between but when you get one it makes going to class something to look forward to.
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Now this looks like an interesting movie:






And there's more at this link:

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/06/ad...ay-1202147126/
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