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Old 06-15-18, 10:49 AM
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Morocco vs. Iran has been terrible, Iran especially.

Expanding the field to 48 is going to be terrible. There will be no excitement in qualification rounds and the early rounds of the actual tournament will be full of bad soccer. I'm sure people will be lining up to buy tickets to Azerbaijan vs. New Zealand.
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Old 06-15-18, 12:19 PM
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Morocco vs. Iran has been terrible, Iran especially.

Expanding the field to 48 is going to be terrible. There will be no excitement in qualification rounds and the early rounds of the actual tournament will be full of bad soccer. I'm sure people will be lining up to buy tickets to Azerbaijan vs. New Zealand.
Level of play was not very good Mor/iran. Did you see the header own goal by Morroco? God awful.
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Old 06-15-18, 01:57 PM
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FIFA already does something similar to "seeding" teams to avoid your scenario. All the top-ranked teams (Germany, Spain, France, etc.) are placed in a separate pot and are put in different groups. The second pot includes the second tier teams, the third pot includes the third tier teams, etc. This ensures the groups are somewhat balanced and the top powerhouses generally avoid each other until the knockout round.
The 32 from this year plus 16 more in four years. Tell me which 16 you would "seed".
Russia, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Uruguay
Portugal, Spain, Morocco, Iran
France, Australia, Peru, Denmark
Argentina, Iceland, Croatia, Nigeria
Brazil, Switzerland, Costa Rica, Serbia
Germany, Mexico, Sweden, South Korea
Belgium, Panama, Tunisia, England
Poland, Senegal, Columbia, Japan
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Old 06-15-18, 02:26 PM
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Spain and Portugal lighting it up at this time, entertaining game with a lot of action.
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Old 06-15-18, 02:46 PM
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Spain and Portugal lighting it up at this time, entertaining game with a lot of action.
Spain looks really good but Ronaldo is the man.
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Spain looks really good but Ronaldo is the man.
A hat trick for the best player in the world.
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Old 06-15-18, 03:02 PM
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Great game. Even the soccer haters on here are commenting
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Old 06-15-18, 06:13 PM
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The 32 from this year plus 16 more in four years. Tell me which 16 you would "seed".
Russia, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Uruguay
Portugal, Spain, Morocco, Iran
France, Australia, Peru, Denmark
Argentina, Iceland, Croatia, Nigeria
Brazil, Switzerland, Costa Rica, Serbia
Germany, Mexico, Sweden, South Korea
Belgium, Panama, Tunisia, England
Poland, Senegal, Columbia, Japan
The 2018 "seeds" from this list were Russia (gets a top seed as host), Portugal, France, Argentina, Brazil, Germany, Belgium and Poland. Poland is a big surprise, but they had a very high FIFA ranking, so they deserve to be in the first pot. The "second pot" was Spain, Peru, Switzerland, England, Columbia, Mexico, Uruguay and Croatia. So those would be the top sixteen "seeds" for this year's World Cup.

The "third pot" was Denmark, Iceland, Costa Rica, Sweden, Tunisia, Egypt, Senegal and Iran. The "bottom pot" would be the lowest ranked teams: Serbia, Nigeria, Australia, Japan, Morocco, Panama, South Korea and Saudi Arabia.

One team from each pot gets randomly drawn to each group, in order to balance the group play. The power teams generally avoid each other in group play, but sometimes a Spain-Portugal or Belgium-England type game is unavoidable, when a team from the second pot is very good.

In 2022, the FIFA rankings will change, but I'm sure we'll still see the traditional powers, like Germany, Brazil and Spain in the "first pot".

EDIT: In 2022, there will still be just 32 teams in the World Cup. The new format to include 48 teams won't be until 2026. In 2026, we could see a 3-team group something like: Brazil, Saudi Arabia and Belize or France, Morocco and Vietnam. Terrible idea.

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Old 06-15-18, 06:37 PM
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Morocco vs. Iran has been terrible, Iran especially.

Expanding the field to 48 is going to be terrible. There will be no excitement in qualification rounds and the early rounds of the actual tournament will be full of bad soccer. I'm sure people will be lining up to buy tickets to Azerbaijan vs. New Zealand.

Yep. Horrible idea. The 3-team groups will be awful. The excitement of a 3-team group of Brazil, Azerbaijan and New Zealand.
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Old 06-15-18, 06:45 PM
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I'm not talking about this year, I'm talking about when 48 teams compete. I watched this year's drawing as a matter of fact. With 48 teams, and these 32 teams advancing, and Italy and the Netherlands probably making it, the "seeding" for a 48 team field would have the "bottom pot" be the "minnows" of the draw. How do you see the game skeds? A plays B, B plays C and then A plays C. A beats B 2-1 and B beats C 6-0 Now A and B each have 3 points, but B has a goals advantage. Now, in the final game of the "group" A must beat C at least 6-0 in order to advance/ With 16 more teams being added to the mix, I can see games with scores of double digits to zero in order for a team to advance to the knock out round. I can't think this will be good for soccer. or a way to attract new fans.
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Old 06-16-18, 09:28 AM
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I'm not talking about this year, I'm talking about when 48 teams compete. I watched this year's drawing as a matter of fact. With 48 teams, and these 32 teams advancing, and Italy and the Netherlands probably making it, the "seeding" for a 48 team field would have the "bottom pot" be the "minnows" of the draw. How do you see the game skeds? A plays B, B plays C and then A plays C. A beats B 2-1 and B beats C 6-0 Now A and B each have 3 points, but B has a goals advantage. Now, in the final game of the "group" A must beat C at least 6-0 in order to advance/ With 16 more teams being added to the mix, I can see games with scores of double digits to zero in order for a team to advance to the knock out round. I can't think this will be good for soccer. or a way to attract new fans.
Yep, it seems like it will be a mess. Scores could get ugly, with the big boys playing minnows that shouldn't even be there. We'll find out in eight years.
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Old 06-16-18, 10:32 AM
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12 years in West Berlin made me a follower of Germany. Being there for 1974 was unbelievable. Went to Frankfurt for the opening match, 0-0 draw Yugoslavia and Brazil. Later that evening, while waiting for the train back to Berlin, had a very interesting conversation about the days events in a mixture of Russian, German and English with three Yugo supporters. "Adult beverages" aided in the conversation.
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Old 06-17-18, 09:10 AM
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Starting to have some doubts about some of the refs in this WC.
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Old 06-17-18, 11:08 AM
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Mexico is playing about as well as they possibly can against Germany, who has looked out of sync so far. Mexico is going to run themselves into the ground as this pace, though. I don't see 1-0 holding.
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Old 06-17-18, 11:53 AM
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Wow. First real upset of the WC
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Old 06-17-18, 02:01 PM
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Funny that Germany was the 9th European team to debut thus far and the first to lose. Lots of 1-0 results so far (5 out of first 10 matches) but many exciting games nonetheless.

Favorite matches so far have been Spain-Portugal, Argentina-Iceland, and Denmark-Peru.
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Old 06-17-18, 02:26 PM
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Go switzerland
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Old 06-17-18, 02:26 PM
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Mexico is my other team
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Old 06-18-18, 02:38 PM
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England drawing with Tunisia would be hilarious
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Old 06-18-18, 03:09 PM
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More late drama. Fantastic slate of games so far the first few days of the tournament
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Old 06-18-18, 05:01 PM
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Lewandowski and Poland tomorrow.
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More late drama. Fantastic slate of games so far the first few days of the tournament
Agreed. So far, only three matches have been decided by more than one goal. One more group to play it's first round.

The second round of group play will even be better...we'll start sorting out the contenders from the pretenders. Can Germany recover? How about Brazil? Can Messi and Argentina get it together? Can Iceland continue frustrating teams with defense? Is Mexico a serious contender? is Russia legit? Will England disappoint again? Stay tuned.
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Old 06-18-18, 08:22 PM
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Kane's game winning header for England was a thing of beauty.
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Old 06-19-18, 08:51 AM
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Agreed. So far, only three matches have been decided by more than one goal. One more group to play it's first round.

The second round of group play will even be better...we'll start sorting out the contenders from the pretenders. Can Germany recover? How about Brazil? Can Messi and Argentina get it together? Can Iceland continue frustrating teams with defense? Is Mexico a serious contender? is Russia legit? Will England disappoint again? Stay tuned.
I think Argentina has the most to worry about. They don't play as a team. Everyone standing around waiting for Messia to score.

It would be interesting to see how they played without him. They certainly have the talent to do very well if Messi was out
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Poland really sh!tting the bed, down 2-0 to Senegal
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Poland looking awful. Japan beat Columbia and that is a surprise.
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Old 06-19-18, 12:22 PM
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Poland looking awful. Japan beat Columbia and that is a surprise.
Helps when Columbia got a red card in the 3rd minute of the game.
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Old 06-19-18, 12:29 PM
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I'm starting to wonder if they have enough WC class officials to call these matches. Today has been brutal thus far.
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Old 06-19-18, 07:26 PM
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Serious question...does the Polish team have a legit gripe about the 2nd goal scored
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I'm not certain what can be reviewed. When there can be two penalty kicks awarded after review, I would certainly think today's 2nd goal fiasco merited a review.
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