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Old 06-17-18, 10:05 PM
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Trump Campaign Comms Adviser Michael Caputo once denied that he even heard anyone in the campaign talk about Russia. Today we learned Roger Stone met with a Russian who offered dirt on Hillary Clinton in exchange for $2M. Caputo arranged the meeting!

My experience in criminal law has taught me that when there is this much lying, it's usually because there is some huge amount of illegal being covered up.
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Old 06-17-18, 10:05 PM
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Lol. Happy's experience in criminal law.
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Old 06-17-18, 10:55 PM
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...as a criminal.
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Old 06-18-18, 06:20 AM
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…….My experience in criminal law has taught me ……...
Binge watching Night Court doesn't really count as "experience"......
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Old 06-18-18, 07:58 AM
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Here's a nice article detailing the collateral damage to our institutions, particularly the FBI, as a result of Obama's gross abuse of them:

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog..._the_doj_.html

Nevertheless, it is an indisputable fact that a cabal of conspirators on the seventh floor of the FBI building, led by Comey and McCabe, along with John Brennan (CIA), James Clapper (DNI), Sally Yates, and Rod Rosenstein at Justice coordinated their attempts to prevent Trump from winning the election by all manner of illegal means. Most likely, much of this was at the bidding and with permission of Barack Obama.

Once Trump won, their focus switched to taking him out before he could be inaugurated. They hope still to see him impeached, despite the thriving economy, low unemployment, and possible rapprochement with North Korea.



And this is also true:

While the devious machinations of the Deep State are not new, it was the Obama administration, most likely Obama himself, who brought us to this low point, the wholesale corruption of the FBI and the DOJ leadership. Obama surrounded himself with like-minded globalist elites who thought no laws applied to them: Susan Rice, Samantha Power, Valerie Jarrett, the Podestas, Ben Rhodes, Jonathan Gruber, and more. Eric Holder was the most unprincipled attorney general, more even than John Mitchell, who served time in federal prison.


This is true to:

This is what Obama did to America. He virtually destroyed the FBI, the CIA, and the DOJ by turning them into weapons with which to destroy his opponents. They learned their Stasi lessons well. President Trump's outsider ways are like blessed sunlight on these institutions that had been allowed to deteriorate and decay over the eight years of Obama rule.
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Old 06-18-18, 11:32 AM
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The best part is libs believe Hilary lost because of Russia or Comey and not their disastrous policies.
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Old 06-18-18, 02:49 PM
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I've been in the mountains for a few days. An evidence of collusion yet?
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Old 06-18-18, 08:57 PM
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well manafort is in prison, 3 guilty verdicts, 13 indictments, an ig report that says comey was in pocket of trump...all points to nothing yet.
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Old 06-18-18, 08:59 PM
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allen dershowitz says this is all a steaming pile of crap. he knows more than any of us. he is a liberal. i'll go with him
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Old 06-18-18, 09:39 PM
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well manafort is in prison, 3 guilty verdicts, 13 indictments, an ig report that says comey was in pocket of trump...all points to nothing yet.
None of which has anything to do with collusion. Oh and the IG report clears Trump of obstruction as it identifies Comey as incompetent and insubordinate, clearly grounds for his firing.
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Old 06-18-18, 11:56 PM
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well manafort is in prison, 3 guilty verdicts, 13 indictments, an ig report that says comey was in pocket of trump...all points to nothing yet.
Manafort isn't in prison. He is in jail awaiting trial. Neither is good but there is a pretty big difference.
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Old 06-19-18, 06:34 AM
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well manafort is in prison, 3 guilty verdicts, 13 indictments, an ig report that says comey was in pocket of trump...all points to nothing yet.
So, still no evidence of collusion.
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Old 06-19-18, 07:10 AM
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Manafort isn't in prison. He is in jail awaiting trial. Neither is good but there is a pretty big difference.
He is currently "LOCKED UP"
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Old 06-19-18, 07:40 AM
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Here's a nice summary of one of Mueller's big time indictments where he courageously goes after a bunch of Russians and even indicts a company that didn't exist during the period the indictment covered:

https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot...s-getting.html

The article has links to background information on this case. Bottom line is that these company's decided to fight back using American lawyers and now things are getting real interesting:

I think the Mueller team is caught on the horns of a dilemma here. They appear to have filed a case mainly for its public relations impact; but the targets of their wrath are refusing to roll over and play dead. Instead, they're using the US legal system to insist that Mueller prove his charges, and disclose all the evidence involved. That means he's got to put up, or shut up; prove his case, or withdraw charges - which would be a public relations disaster.


That's right, the highly principled Mueller realized that he hadn't indicted any actual Russians or Russian organizations in his Trump/Russian collusion investigation which of course started to make his "investigation" look a bit lame. So to remedy the situation Mueller and his crack team of democrat zealots decided to throw a few "Russian" indictments out there. But it seems they are fighting back and as the author suggests:

Pass the popcorn. This is going to get seriously entertaining.
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Old 06-19-18, 08:04 AM
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He is currently "LOCKED UP"
Never said he wasn't. Just he is not in prison and hasn't been convicted of anything. And even if he is convicted, it won't be tied to the collusion you're so desperately hoping for.
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Old 06-19-18, 08:14 AM
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Never said he wasn't. Just he is not in prison and hasn't been convicted of anything. And even if he is convicted, it won't be tied to the collusion you're so desperately hoping for.
It's guilt by association. If anyone that Donald Trump ever knew did something illegal than he should be impeached, because obviously he's guilty of something, even if we haven't found it yet.
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Old 06-19-18, 08:44 AM
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It's guilt by association. If anyone that Donald Trump ever knew did something illegal than he should be impeached, because obviously he's guilty of something, even if we haven't found it yet.
Well, only when its good for them. There is nothing to see there when its a dem that has relationships with questionable people.
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Old 06-19-18, 09:37 AM
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Well, only when its good for them. There is nothing to see there when its a dem that has relationships with questionable people.
Being incompetent is an adequate defense for not breaking the law in those circumstances.
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Old 06-19-18, 06:33 PM
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Here's a nice summary of one of Mueller's big time indictments where he courageously goes after a bunch of Russians and even indicts a company that didn't exist during the period the indictment covered:

https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot...s-getting.html

The article has links to background information on this case. Bottom line is that these company's decided to fight back using American lawyers and now things are getting real interesting:

I think the Mueller team is caught on the horns of a dilemma here. They appear to have filed a case mainly for its public relations impact; but the targets of their wrath are refusing to roll over and play dead. Instead, they're using the US legal system to insist that Mueller prove his charges, and disclose all the evidence involved. That means he's got to put up, or shut up; prove his case, or withdraw charges - which would be a public relations disaster.


That's right, the highly principled Mueller realized that he hadn't indicted any actual Russians or Russian organizations in his Trump/Russian collusion investigation which of course started to make his "investigation" look a bit lame. So to remedy the situation Mueller and his crack team of democrat zealots decided to throw a few "Russian" indictments out there. But it seems they are fighting back and as the author suggests:

Pass the popcorn. This is going to get seriously entertaining.
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Old 06-19-18, 08:51 PM
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12 top fbi and doj officials have lost their job over this. dems say it is because trump is obstructing justice.

if dems truly believe this......
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Old 06-19-18, 09:47 PM
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Here's a nice summary of one of Mueller's big time indictments where he courageously goes after a bunch of Russians and even indicts a company that didn't exist during the period the indictment covered:

https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot...s-getting.html

The article has links to background information on this case. Bottom line is that these company's decided to fight back using American lawyers and now things are getting real interesting:

I think the Mueller team is caught on the horns of a dilemma here. They appear to have filed a case mainly for its public relations impact; but the targets of their wrath are refusing to roll over and play dead. Instead, they're using the US legal system to insist that Mueller prove his charges, and disclose all the evidence involved. That means he's got to put up, or shut up; prove his case, or withdraw charges - which would be a public relations disaster.


That's right, the highly principled Mueller realized that he hadn't indicted any actual Russians or Russian organizations in his Trump/Russian collusion investigation which of course started to make his "investigation" look a bit lame. So to remedy the situation Mueller and his crack team of democrat zealots decided to throw a few "Russian" indictments out there. But it seems they are fighting back and as the author suggests:

Pass the popcorn. This is going to get seriously entertaining.
And when they indicted the Russians they admitted there was no evidence of collusion.
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Old 06-20-18, 05:26 AM
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Lol. Happy's experience in criminal law.
He's watched every episode of "Law and Order."
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Old 06-20-18, 06:27 AM
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Meanwhile back in the real world

Wilbur Ross doing deals with Russia (it is always Russia...) if you recall he has a long history of money laundering in Cyprus ( He was Chairman of the Bank of Cyprus) which is a key part of Putin and his cronies financial world. (center of Russian money laundering)

Apparently Wilbur also was caught short selling his holdings when he heard about the reports. #draintheswamp
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Old 06-20-18, 06:42 AM
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Wilbur Ross doing deals with Russia (it is always Russia...) if you recall he has a long history of money laundering in Cyprus ( He was Chairman of the Bank of Cyprus) which is a key part of Putin and his cronies financial world. (center of Russian money laundering)

Apparently Wilbur also was caught short selling his holdings when he heard about the reports. #draintheswamp
Who is Wilbur Ross?
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Old 06-20-18, 06:48 AM
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Who is Wilbur Ross?
Head of the Department of Commerce. (Do you know about Google?)
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Old 06-20-18, 08:10 AM
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With Google being an extension of the internet, it must be true. winbypin, how can you possibly question happygoloco?
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Old 06-20-18, 09:05 AM
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Head of the Department of Commerce. (Do you know about Google?)
Of course I know about google. I would rather have you respond.
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Old 06-23-18, 09:14 AM
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12 top fbi and doj officials have lost their job over this. dems say it is because trump is obstructing justice.

if dems truly believe this......
This is just the start.

Comey is dodging invites to be questioned?
Why won't Rod Rosenstein or Christopher Wray turn over evidence to congress, which they are legally bound to?
The cabal to over-through our president continues to turn on each other. They will be taken down.
Flynn plea will be thrown out soon, as the truth emerges.
When will Mueller be forced to defended the 13 fake Russian indictments, Some companies didn't exist at the time? Some want to defend the false accusations and Mueller wants to hide...very sloppy work and impossible to defend.
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Old 06-23-18, 09:53 AM
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Maybe Congress is part of the investigation. Guys like Nunes are not acting in anyway normal or legitimate as they try to crush the investigation in every possible way.
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Old 06-23-18, 09:58 AM
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Britain Has a Russia Collusion Scandal Now. It Looks Exactly Like Trump’s.
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Jonathan Chait

Donald Trump in 2016, flanked by Brexit supporters Arron Banks, left, and Nigel Farage, right. Photo: Twitter/LeaveEUOfficial

The most important thing to understand about the Russia scandal is that it perfectly fits a clear pattern of behavior. What Vladimir Putin is accused of doing to help Donald Trump win the presidency is essentially identical to what he is either accused of or proven to have done to help many other right-wing candidates in many other countries. As the plot in the United States is slowly exposed, a remarkably similar one in the United Kingdom is quickly surfacing.

Months before the United States narrowly elected Trump, the United Kingdom narrowly elected to withdraw from the European Union. Both votes advanced Russian foreign policy goals — in the latter case, by splitting up the Western alliance. (Trump has energetically pursued this strategy, too.) Russia employed many of the same tools to influence both elections. It deployed social-media bots and trolls to spread its message. It recruited friendly candidates who gave voice to previously marginal Russophile positions. And, as the newly surfaced evidence suggests, it indirectly financed the campaign.


British magnate Arron Banks supported the Brexit campaign with the largest political donation in British history. Leaked documents obtained by British reporter Carole Cadwalladr suggest Banks had more than mere philanthropic motives for this donation. Banks met several times with representatives of the Russian government, contradicting his previous claim to have met with Russians just one time.

More significantly, the documents suggest the Russians dangled a lucrative business deal. He would have the chance to buy in to a gold-mining consolidation, “potentially netting a profit of several billion dollars.” Banks denies that the gold deal ever happened, or that any of the meetings included any surreptitious collusion. “It’s a convenient political witch-hunt, both over Brexit and Trump,” he insists, using the same term favored by Trump.

To say that Bank’s defenses appear suspicious is a substantial understatement. If his meetings were innocent, why did he lie? If he never consummated the Russian gold-mining deal, why did he tweet at the time that he was investing in a big gold-mining deal?

The unfolding scandal in Britain contains many of the hallmarks of Russian covert influence elsewhere. The Russians are not manufacturing an issue out of whole cloth — nationalism clearly has an authentic popular basis — but instead use their influence to magnify it. They cloak their influence behind undisclosed meetings and hidden financial transfers. And when their partners’ lies about their contacts are exposed, they insist they lied for no apparent reason and have nothing else to hide.

The dangling of the gold-mine deal likewise reflects a classic Putin-era Russian strategy. The most lucrative sectors of Russia’s oligarch-driven economy involve monopolies over natural resources. They are the perfect bait for functional bribes. Russia can send businessmen, who may be operating with quiet support or control from the Kremlin, to offer deals that promise guaranteed profits. And those profits can be cover to inject Russian money into the West. If Banks was promised a lucrative gold-mining deal, as it appears, then he may have functioned as essentially a pass-through, enabling Russia to finance the Brexit referendum.

Trump has many surface ties to the Brexiteers. He has met with Banks and the nationalist leader Nigel Farage. He has echoed their rhetoric and even their cause, labeling himself “Mr. Brexit.” But more revealing is the pattern of similarities below the surface. The covert meetings, the endless false denials that they took place at all, the patina of legitimate business discussions, and the web of undisclosed financial ties. To believe that neither Trump nor Banks colluded directly with Russia in 2016 is to believe in an awful lot of strange coincidences.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...ke-trumps.html
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