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Old 12-14-18, 04:50 PM
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Their "plan" seems to be to add short term assets that can be flipped or kept if they are in contention. It makes sense if you consider that they hired Derek Johnson as a pitching coach. The Reds need to give him a year to figure out which young arms he can develop. Personally I think Castillo, Disco, Mahle and Reed as well as Garrett will see significant strides under his tutelage. The Reds have been very careful to this point to not tie themselves down long term and have not been willing to part with elite prospects.

If the Reds are terrible again this season the Reds will have Gennett and Roark as deadline pieces as well as Hughes and Hernandez. If they pull off the Bailey for Kemp and Wood deal then they'll have 2 more flip candidates.

However if the Reds are competitive (the young arms have to make significant progress for that to happen) then you still have a young controllable core to build around with between 45 and 75 million to work with for 2020 and beyond.
Good plan! I think you have to go into every season feeling you can contend. In baseball, more than the other pro sports, you can't "get good fast".
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Old 12-14-18, 04:56 PM
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More pitching!!!
Who?
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Old 12-14-18, 05:44 PM
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I think you have to go into every season feeling you can contend.".
Not if youíre a small market team. Only someone totally oblivious to the realities of the MLB would think that way.
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Old 12-14-18, 06:05 PM
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Not if youíre a small market team. Only someone totally oblivious to the realities of the MLB would think that way.
The Ray's, A's, Cards and other small market clubs disagree with you.
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Old 12-15-18, 12:34 PM
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The Ray's, A's, Cards and other small market clubs disagree with you.
TB and Oakland donít compete every yr. Is StL a small Mkt team? I thought their payroll was fairly high.
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Old 12-15-18, 01:38 PM
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TB and Oakland donít compete every yr. Is StL a small Mkt team? I thought their payroll was fairly high.
The Cards had a pretty high payroll last season. Prior to that though they have been mostly 100-125M range. The Reds had a higher payroll than the Cards as recently as 2014.

TB and Oakland are perennial bottom dwellers in salary.
Oakland has 11 winning seasons and a .500 season in the last 20.

TB has had 7 winning seasons in the last 11.

Cincinnati Has had 3 winning seasons in the last 10 years and 4 in the last 20.

Small market teams must hit on high draft picks consistently to compete consistently. The Reds have failed in this area, especially when it comes to pitching.

The biggest yet quietest moves the Reds made this offseason is the hiring of Derek Johnson and subsequent implementation of his pitching philosophies throughout the entire Reds organization. Something had to change. Hopefully Johnson can make those changes.
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Old 12-15-18, 01:48 PM
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At best TB and Oakland contend for a potential postseason birth, no more.
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Old 12-15-18, 02:00 PM
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At best TB and Oakland contend for a potential postseason birth, no more.
TB was in the World Series in the last decade....
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Old 12-15-18, 02:47 PM
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TB was in the World Series in the last decade....
Weíre talking about every yr, not one off occurrences. The point is, if youíre a small Mkt team, youíve got a much shorter window to win than the Yanks, Sox, Dodgers. Itís not realistic to think you can contend every yr.
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Weíre talking about every yr, not one off occurrences. The point is, if youíre a small Mkt team, youíve got a much shorter window to win than the Yanks, Sox, Dodgers. Itís not realistic to think you can contend every yr.
If World Series is what is meant by contending then the Yankees have as many appearances as the Ray's since 2008.

How a small market team and a small market team go about building a contender maybe different but that doesn't mean the small market team shouldn't view contention as realistic every year.

It just depends on making the right moves. Granted small markets don't have the luxury of absorbing mistakes (Homer Bailey).
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Old 12-15-18, 05:11 PM
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TB was in the World Series in the last decade....
You had to use every bit of that decade, lol. Year in, year out, Tampa Bat is essentially a non-factor. I lived there on and off and consider them my other rooting interest next to the Reds.
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Old 12-15-18, 05:15 PM
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If World Series is what is meant by contending then the Yankees have as many appearances as the Ray's since 2008.

How a small market team and a small market team go about building a contender maybe different but that doesn't mean the small market team shouldn't view contention as realistic every year.

It just depends on making the right moves. Granted small markets don't have the luxury of absorbing mistakes (Homer Bailey).
You really want to argue the Rays as competitive as the Yankees? Lol
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Old 12-15-18, 05:21 PM
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If World Series is what is meant by contending then the Yankees have as many appearances as the Ray's since 2008.

How a small market team and a small market team go about building a contender maybe different but that doesn't mean the small market team shouldn't view contention as realistic every year.

It just depends on making the right moves. Granted small markets don't have the luxury of absorbing mistakes (Homer Bailey).
How many small Mkt teams are serious contenders every yr? It doesnít happen. The Royals were just in back to back WS, including winning one, and now theyíre back in the cellar. Itís going to happen when you canít re-sign all of your great players. The true mark of a well run small Mkt team is how they accumulate young talent during the down periods. Wasting $ on FAs to just keep your team slightly above .500 is not the way to win with a limited payroll.
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You really want to argue the Rays as competitive as the Yankees? Lol
You eluding to "contending" as meaning more than just getting to the postseason or as one would assume, making it to the World Series. If that is contending then the Ray's have been as successful as the Yankees since 2008.

Now you've changed the goal and say "competitive". which goal are we talking about?
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How many small Mkt teams are serious contenders every yr? It doesnít happen. The Royals were just in back to back WS, including winning one, and now theyíre back in the cellar. Itís going to happen when you canít re-sign all of your great players. The true mark of a well run small Mkt team is how they accumulate young talent during the down periods. Wasting $ on FAs to just keep your team slightly above .500 is not the way to win with a limited payroll.
If contending means WS then the Ray's have been as good as the Yankees in the last decade. The Royals have been better. The Indians also.

The point is, what does contention mean? Is it maki g it to the postseason and see what happens? If so the A's have been pretty successful. If it means WS, the Rays, Royals and Indians have been as good as the Yankees.

I think a small market team can be a competitive team every year, meaning they can be in the hunt for the postseason 7 out of 10 years if they make the right moves.

A team like the Reds should lock a guy in long term by year 3 for more value or be willing to trade him by year 5 to reload. The Reds missed the boat in this "rebuild" by not thinking long term and holding on to long.
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Old 12-15-18, 07:18 PM
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The Indians made some moves involving EE and Yonder Alonso. They brought back Carlos Santana, prospects and cash. Effectively reducing Payroll by 17M. Alonso and Santana pretty similar production wise. They'll need to find a replacement for EE production, preferably in the outfield and they have $17M to do it as well as add additional production in other areas.

Why does this the matter to the Reds? Effectively it probably takes Kluber and Bauer off the market. The Bailey to LA deal likely hinged on the Dodgers feeling they could land Kluber. It also means the Dodgers will likely be looking at the same pitchers as the Reds in FA and if Syndergaard is available.
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If contending means WS then the Ray's have been as good as the Yankees in the last decade. The Royals have been better. The Indians also.

The point is, what does contention mean? Is it maki g it to the postseason and see what happens? If so the A's have been pretty successful. If it means WS, the Rays, Royals and Indians have been as good as the Yankees.

I think a small market team can be a competitive team every year, meaning they can be in the hunt for the postseason 7 out of 10 years if they make the right moves.

A team like the Reds should lock a guy in long term by year 3 for more value or be willing to trade him by year 5 to reload. The Reds missed the boat in this "rebuild" by not thinking long term and holding on to long.
How is 7/10 Every Yr? Every yr is 10/10. And you just made my point by saying they held on too long. They shouldíve traded key pieces in 2013, but youíre not going to contend right away when you trade those guys.
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If contending means WS then the Ray's have been as good as the Yankees in the last decade. The Royals have been better. The Indians also.
How? The Yankees won a ws.
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