Benedictine 2018

[sehs]

I'm a St. Ed's guy but from the West side it has always looked to me like Benedictine's culture; home of champions, tradition of excellence and several high profile alumni along with what used to be a willingness to play anyone anywhere gave them a lot more respect than NDCL. (I know the play anyone anywhere mentality just isn't feasible anymore but I do miss the Benedictine-St. Ed's games) Not knocking the old Latin but when they merged with NDCL they lost a lot of their own swagger. I know they've had some successful teams but I would not call any of those teams from the past decade a state title contender. They are a nice school for nice kids from nice families, they do not seem to have a strong commitment to trying to bring in many kids from the city that could benefit from a strong education. I know part of this is the fact they are out in Chardon too. I will always give Bene high marks for sticking in the neighborhood they are in and weathering storms from it. The Ray Williams incident would have been a program back breaker for many and there were lots of years where Benedictine struggled football wise but they still had a desire to compete for titles and eventually won more. They still have a very blue collar attitude to school and sports, something I could not say about NDCL.

All of the Catholic schools are in enrollment trouble if they cannot figure out how to come up with more cash to supplement their tuitions. Add in that the Northeast Ohio area continues to lose population and these schools are competing for less and less students. This is effecting football programs the worst since it can be a very numbers oriented sport with injuries and the toll it takes.

[Lex Luger]

Originally Posted by sehs

I'm a St. Ed's guy but from the West side it has always looked to me like Benedictine's culture; home of champions, tradition of excellence and several high profile alumni along with what used to be a willingness to play anyone anywhere gave them a lot more respect than NDCL. (I know the play anyone anywhere mentality just isn't feasible anymore but I do miss the Benedictine-St. Ed's games) Not knocking the old Latin but when they merged with NDCL they lost a lot of their own swagger. I know they've had some successful teams but I would not call any of those teams from the past decade a state title contender. They are a nice school for nice kids from nice families, they do not seem to have a strong commitment to trying to bring in many kids from the city that could benefit from a strong education. I know part of this is the fact they are out in Chardon too. I will always give Bene high marks for sticking in the neighborhood they are in and weathering storms from it. The Ray Williams incident would have been a program back breaker for many and there were lots of years where Benedictine struggled football wise but they still had a desire to compete for titles and eventually won more. They still have a very blue collar attitude to school and sports, something I could not say about NDCL.

All of the Catholic schools are in enrollment trouble if they cannot figure out how to come up with more cash to supplement their tuitions. Add in that the Northeast Ohio area continues to lose population and these schools are competing for less and less students. This is effecting football programs the worst since it can be a very numbers oriented sport with injuries and the toll it takes.

Great post
Well thought out

[fr willie]

Parkhaven since you know ALL the NCL school test scores why don't you post them. This is a Benedictine forum for Benedictine fans..Please take your hate elsewhere .We do a very good job educating our young men and have many success stories.

[Lex Luger]

Originally Posted by fr willie

Parkhaven since you know ALL the NCL school test scores why don't you post them. This is a Benedictine forum for Benedictine fans..Please take your hate elsewhere .We do a very good job educating our young men and have many success stories.

Because he is a hater, he is jealous of Benedictine success, he needs to place blame on why his school doesn’t win year in year out. And I’m saying this hoping NDCL starts a winning tradition.

[parkhaven]

Originally Posted by fr willie

Parkhaven since you know ALL the NCL school test scores why don't you post them. This is a Benedictine forum for Benedictine fans..Please take your hate elsewhere .We do a very good job educating our young men and have many success stories.

Sorry, I am not being paid to do your research. Beyond that, you are the challenger. The burden is on you to disprove what I wrote. In free societies. an actor has no duty to explain anything subject to the doctrine of innocent until proven guilty. It is in the communist countries where the defendant is required to prove their innocence.

[parkhaven]

Originally Posted by fac974

From the way the landscape currently looks. I’m anticipating a 4-5year skid from ndcl. But with that fieldhouse and some other future upgrades. They should bounce back sooner rather than later.

In a nevermore increasingly technical and complex environment, the competition to attract students is going to be won in the academic realm and not on a football field. That is where NDCL has a huge edge. The students who are looking to attend NDCL are not the students who will settle for the likes of Benedictine or LC.

[parkhaven]

Originally Posted by Lex Luger

Great post
Well thought out

Not all of them.

[sehs]

Originally Posted by parkhaven

Not all of them.

I did not say they all did now, I said they all would have problems if they cannot figure out their funding. I’m also not completely sold on NDCL’s academic rep compared to all the other schools. Anyone can fire a loaded gun, when your admissions standards already are academically high then of course their scores will look better. What’s more impressive? Taking an A student and keeping him an A student or taking a CMSD C student and making him college ready as Benedictine often does. The teachers and administrators at Benedictine take academics just as serious as their NDCL counterparts, however the starting points of many of their students are lower to begin with. This is no knock on them just a reality. However the elitism of your posts seem to view this as a negative through the lens of “their sports are better than ours, it must be because they do not emphasize class over sports.” What do you say about Eds and Ignatius? Both have better academic reputations than NDCL and much better sports programs.

[Lex Luger]

Ndcl is the HARVARD of the highschool education! Best academics in the country. Nothing better. Albert Einstein flunked out, do to acedemic challenges.



APRIL FOOLS!

[fatoldbengal]

Originally Posted by fac974

With ndcl building a $300,000 fieldhouse. Should help attract some future student athletes to the school.

Come on, Benedictine has a $250,000 bus/abbey garage.
That was the cost forced on the school to tear down the old garage. Forced to replace a steel building with a block building...only way the monks would permit ground for Bossu Field.

[fr willie]

First of all Mr Fat the Abbey does not use the bus garage at all.It is located on the school campus at the far end. Second, the previous bus garage was located in the middle of what is now the Bossu Field.There was no way they could have built the field with the garage down there. The garage HAD to be built for the buses to be repaired and stored. Maybe the emphasis should be placed on the OLD rather than the FAT.

[E.S. Furgeson]

father,

During this, the Easter season, I would hope that you would exclude from Trump like jabs at your Benedictine brethren. After all, if I followed this thread correctly last year it was you who defended the honor of the school and was quick to defend current students, coaches and administrators. I would expect you to be just as respectful to alumni.

-furgie

[fr willie]

No disrespect intended Mr Fergie..I just thought maybe age was catching up to Mr Fat since he says he is an alumni but doesn't seem to know the facts about the bus garage.I have never disrepected anyone on this forum.

[fac974]

Originally Posted by fr willie

First of all Mr Fat the Abbey does not use the bus garage at all.It is located on the school campus at the far end. Second, the previous bus garage was located in the middle of what is now the Bossu Field.There was no way they could have built the field with the garage down there. The garage HAD to be built for the buses to be repaired and stored. Maybe the emphasis should be placed on the OLD rather than the FAT.

You need to have a juice box and relax. Always so defensive. Always trying to one up people.

[fr willie]

I am putting away my mouse and keyboard , going to drink a grape juice box and stay from this negative forum....
As always Go Bengals. Ora et Labora. Peace

[fatoldbengal]

Originally Posted by fr willie

First of all Mr Fat the Abbey does not use the bus garage at all.It is located on the school campus at the far end. Second, the previous bus garage was located in the middle of what is now the Bossu Field.There was no way they could have built the field with the garage down there. The garage HAD to be built for the buses to be repaired and stored. Maybe the emphasis should be placed on the OLD rather than the FAT.

Abbey does not use garage at all? You mean DiGeronimo never works on Abbey cars? Really! Yes, the field is where the old garage stood, monks held up the school to get the expensive garage. They had a bid for one that was less than 100K. Before your time helping with athletic department good Father.

Committee discussed the garage for months, the abbey would not bend. Br. KGB held everything up. Then they gave the bid to a "loyal" alum and got raped. Utilities were an issue, water connect an issue and he had to run an electric line from the school...reason for the trench in the middle of parking lot.

Not negative about school Jake just factual. I know a great deal more than you, friends on the inside for this project.

[Findy15]

Originally Posted by parkhaven

For what it is worth, I never attended NDCL. That said, the school is known for its quality academics whereas Benedictine is not. (LC included with Benedictine in that regard obviously.) Benedictine football players think they are there to play football. The football players at the other NCL schools (LC excluded obviously) know they aren't.

NDCL is only known for their elitist attitude. Period. "We're better than everyone". Sounds a lot like your posts. parkhaven, to brag about your school, you need to be well rounded. Athletically, academically, and spiritually. NDCL passes none of the above. Test scores are for guys like you who don't look at the bigger picture. Benedictine helps students who may never get the chance to succeed academically at other schools, succeed. Our Brothers & Priests have given allegiance to our Great neighborhood. They could have left, closed the school, moved to the suburbs, as NDCL has, turning their backs on the community. They did not! It's much easier to point fingers looking in as an outsider, a suburbanite, without a real clue. That's for guys like you parkhaven.
At Benedictine, the entire team of faculty, staff, coaches, brothers & priests, roll up their sleeves to take boys to another level, make them better, achieve their goals, make them "Men of Benedictine" Unfortunately, parkhaven, you can never understand. I would never trade the experiences my son and I have had at Benedictine for any other high school in Cleveland.
Keep your lame opinions to yourself. If you have not walked in the shoes of a Man of Benedictine, you should have no comments about Benedictine, academically or otherwise. If you have had the opportunity, you should be ashamed of yourself. Thank You for your concerns. They are duly noted. Benedictine has survived for 91 years without you. They will be around for another 91 in spite of you.

[Lex Luger]

Originally Posted by Findy15

NDCL is only known for their elitist attitude. Period. "We're better than everyone". Sounds a lot like your posts. parkhaven, to brag about your school, you need to be well rounded. Athletically, academically, and spiritually. NDCL passes none of the above. Test scores are for guys like you who don't look at the bigger picture. Benedictine helps students who may never get the chance to succeed academically at other schools, succeed. Our Brothers & Priests have given allegiance to our Great neighborhood. They could have left, closed the school, moved to the suburbs, as NDCL has, turning their backs on the community. They did not! It's much easier to point fingers looking in as an outsider, a suburbanite, without a real clue. That's for guys like you parkhaven.
At Benedictine, the entire team of faculty, staff, coaches, brothers & priests, roll up their sleeves to take boys to another level, make them better, achieve their goals, make them "Men of Benedictine" Unfortunately, parkhaven, you can never understand. I would never trade the experiences my son and I have had at Benedictine for any other high school in Cleveland.
Keep your lame opinions to yourself. If you have not walked in the shoes of a Man of Benedictine, you should have no comments about Benedictine, academically or otherwise. If you have had the opportunity, you should be ashamed of yourself. Thank You for your concerns. They are duly noted. Benedictine has survived for 91 years without you. They will be around for another 91 in spite of you.

WOW! I’m with this guy! And I root to see NDCL turn into a sports powerhouse
Since I live in Geauga county! But this guy just spanked your elitist posts.

[OSU_FB11]

This used to be a good page.... Lets pivot for a second.

Next season is the 15th anniversary of the 2003 State Title team. Is anything planned for recognizing that team?

[TigerPaw]

I hope the Browns somehow land Jerome Baker in the 2nd or 3rd. Cleveland kid and absolutely love his game. Will miss watching him every week.

[Ironmike]

PH - Why are we distracting from the football dialog to carry on about academics? I understand NDCL has a great cafeteria, shall we compare notes on that also? I would also caution any Latin alum against bashing Bene. Bene's doors are still open. Wonder why the Latin alum why they started sending their kids elsewhere in the 70's, causing enrollment to shrivel to the point where they had to close the doors. Many ended up at Bene or Lake. Thankfully, the nuns threw a life-line. Peace, have a great day!

[Auggie]

Originally Posted by TigerPaw

I hope the Browns somehow land Jerome Baker in the 2nd or 3rd. Cleveland kid and absolutely love his game. Will miss watching him every week.

The draft rumors on Baker are all over the place. A lot of chatter that he may be a Steeler as they like their LBs speedy, which is the strength of Jerome's game. Most scouts have him graded anywhere from a 3-5th round player. One quote was he runs like a WR but is also built like one. Some wory that he will have a similar fate as Shazier, another fast undersized tOSU LB. Could be looking at a 3rd down specialist that also plays a lot on special teams.

[parkhaven]

Originally Posted by Ironmike

PH - Why are we distracting from the football dialog to carry on about academics? I understand NDCL has a great cafeteria, shall we compare notes on that also? I would also caution any Latin alum against bashing Bene. Bene's doors are still open. Wonder why the Latin alum why they started sending their kids elsewhere in the 70's, causing enrollment to shrivel to the point where they had to close the doors. Many ended up at Bene or Lake. Thankfully, the nuns threw a life-line. Peace, have a great day!

I get it. Benedictine doesn't have any interest in that fancy book learnin' and apparently, neither do you. LOL!

[Lex Luger]

Originally Posted by parkhaven

I get it. Benedictine doesn't have any interest in that fancy book learnin' and apparently, neither do you. LOL!

This year NDCL is going to struggle to get to 5 wins. Trust me! Hit me up after season. And 2019- forever. The football program will be non existent. Unless the nuns start recruiting. They can build a field house but it will just be a factory of sadness as the browns stadium has been. Park haven stay in touch. I will be laughing at you for the next decade. For you to impugn Benedictine is a insult to everything NDCL stands for.

[parkhaven]

Originally Posted by Lex Luger

This year NDCL is going to struggle to get to 5 wins. Trust me! Hit me up after season. And 2019- forever. The football program will be non existent. Unless the nuns start recruiting. They can build a field house but it will just be a factory of sadness as the browns stadium has been. Park haven stay in touch. I will be laughing at you for the next decade. For you to impugn Benedictine is a insult to everything NDCL stands for.

Apparently, you don't understand that it doesn't matter to me how well NDCL does in football. I didn't graduate from NDCL and have multiple degrees beyond my HS Diploma that are much more important to me than what I did in high school. My interest in NDCL is the superior academics. If they have a successful football program, so much the better. That said, I suspect that you are going to look foolish when the season is over. NDCL didn't have three standout seniors transfer out this year the way Benedictine did as far as I know and the NDCL fan base is smart enough not to advertise it if they did. LOL! The Bennie fan base is as dumb as a bag of hammers. Have you been talking to Augie lately. You know, one of those self designated "classy" Bennie fans who thinks that somehow Benedictine's football success rests on NDCL's failing? God, the Bennie fan base has cornered the market on stupidity and their state test scores attest to that.

[Lex Luger]

I live in Geauga county and know nearly a hundred kids that have attended NDCL and all the near by schools. Many many of kids have transferred in and out of NDCL some praising the academics. Others claiming West Geauga and Chardon far superior. So I believe all school provide a good education. It’s what the students make out of it.
But NDCL football program ends in 2019 bank on it

[Ironmike]

Originally Posted by parkhaven

Apparently, you don't understand that it doesn't matter to me how well NDCL does in football. I didn't graduate from NDCL and have multiple degrees beyond my HS Diploma that are much more important to me than what I did in high school. My interest in NDCL is the superior academics. If they have a successful football program, so much the better. That said, I suspect that you are going to look foolish when the season is over. NDCL didn't have three standout seniors transfer out this year the way Benedictine did as far as I know and the NDCL fan base is smart enough not to advertise it if they did. LOL! The Bennie fan base is as dumb as a bag of hammers. Have you been talking to Augie lately. You know, one of those self designated "classy" Bennie fans who thinks that somehow Benedictine's football success rests on NDCL's failing? God, the Bennie fan base has cornered the market on stupidity and their state test scores attest to that.

interesting. So, here you are on a football forum, saying you have no interest in how NDCL does in football and all you care about is academics (along with your LOOK AT ME comment about your degrees). Did I get that right? So.. why exactly are you on a football forum?

[Ironmike]

Originally Posted by Auggie

The draft rumors on Baker are all over the place. A lot of chatter that he may be a Steeler as they like their LBs speedy, which is the strength of Jerome's game. Most scouts have him graded anywhere from a 3-5th round player. One quote was he runs like a WR but is also built like one. Some wory that he will have a similar fate as Shazier, another fast undersized tOSU LB. Could be looking at a 3rd down specialist that also plays a lot on special teams.

would be GREAT to see him in a Browns uniform.

[parkhaven]

Originally Posted by Ironmike

interesting. So, here you are on a football forum, saying you have no interest in how NDCL does in football and all you care about is academics (along with your LOOK AT ME comment about your degrees). Did I get that right? So.. why exactly are you on a football forum?

You know, I know 5 kids who attended Benedictine over the past seven years. One graduated, three left after the first year and one after the second. Do you think it is the dilapidated gym with the unique acoustical panels? Just wondering.

[Lex Luger]

Originally Posted by parkhaven

You know, I know 5 kids who attended Benedictine over the past seven years. One graduated, three left after the first year and one after the second. Do you think it is the dilapidated gym with the unique acoustical panels? Just wondering.

Yeh I know of 3 kids that went to NDCL years ago. One is an alcoholic and unemployed. Two of them are landscapers who smoke a lot of weed.
Do you think it’s the beautiful sprawling field or the nice pond? It’s not the school parkhaven it’s what the kids take out of there education. But your trying to shame Benedictine. Shame on you!