Leisecki out at Claymont

[TrIbExTimE]

Originally Posted by OneBadOmbre

You've lost a lot of experience...
You now have a 7th grade assistant coach who was mediocre as a DC...
On paper it doesn't look good for the 2018 season...
But, I guess that is why they play the game...

This guy goes 5-5 and I will personally, hand deliver a 6-pack of his choice!

Deal!

[Journey]

Originally Posted by pigskin13

Agreed, the people most hurt by the Lynch Mob and their puppets (the BOE) is the kids. If Lesiecki were coming back for a 4th year and the kids were running the same system and same plays for a 4th straight year, I thought they had a chance to go 6-4 this coming year. I know they lost a lot to graduation, but there is talent returning. It could get really ugly with a new coach, new system, etc.

Even with getting rid of a good coach though and stifling that momentum, imo the schedule is so much more manageable now that a winning record is still not just possible but probable. No more Dover, Phila or Cambridge. and Coshocton has huge swings now instead of being consistently good. IV used to be the 5th toughest game, now they’re the toughest out on the Mustangs schedule.

I doubt they’ll make the playoffs now, but Claymont boys should still have a season they can be proud of.

[colorswitch]

For sure wins - River View, Buckeye Trail and Newcomerstown are for sure wins
For sure losses - Indian Valley, Ridgewood, Sandy Valley, Coshocton, canal fulton, Garaway

Toss ups - Tusky Valley

Anywhere from 2-8 to 4-6

[COVER1]

Originally Posted by colorswitch

For sure wins - River View, Buckeye Trail and Newcomerstown are for sure wins
For sure losses - Indian Valley, Ridgewood, Sandy Valley, Coshocton, New Philadelphia, Garaway

Toss ups - Tusky Valley

Anywhere from 2-8 to 4-6

$100 Claymont doesn’t lose to New Phila next year!!!!

[pigskin13]

Originally Posted by colorswitch

For sure wins - River View, Buckeye Trail and Newcomerstown are for sure wins
For sure losses - Indian Valley, Ridgewood, Sandy Valley, Coshocton, New Philadelphia, Garaway

Toss ups - Tusky Valley

Anywhere from 2-8 to 4-6

Claymont doesn't play New Philadelphia this year.

[COVER1]

Originally Posted by pigskin13

Claymont doesn't play New Philadelphia this year.

You just cost me $100!!!!!!

[Football 101]

Uhrichsville Claymont
08/24 H Canal Fulton Northwest d4
08/31 A Coshocton d5
09/07 A Warsaw River View d4
09/14 A Lore City Buckeye Trail d6
09/21 H Magnolia Sandy Valley d5
09/28 H Sugarcreek Garaway d6
10/05 A Zoarville Tuscarawas Valley d5
10/12 H Newcomerstown d6
10/19 A West Lafayette Ridgewood d5
10/25 H Gnadenhutten Indian Valley . d4

[TrIbExTimE]

Originally Posted by colorswitch

For sure wins - River View, Buckeye Trail and Newcomerstown are for sure wins
For sure losses - Indian Valley, Ridgewood, Sandy Valley, Coshocton, New Philadelphia, Garaway

Toss ups - Tusky Valley

Anywhere from 2-8 to 4-6

Get the schedule right before you make predictions.

[colorswitch]

Ok, replace new Philadelphia with Canal Fulton, I will edit my first post. Same results.

[Journey]

Originally Posted by COVER1

You just cost me $100!!!!!!

lol

[ECOLace]

Originally Posted by colorswitch

For sure wins - River View, Buckeye Trail and Newcomerstown are for sure wins
For sure losses - Indian Valley, Ridgewood, Sandy Valley, Coshocton, canal fulton, Garaway

Toss ups - Tusky Valley

Anywhere from 2-8 to 4-6

Coshocton and Sandy Valley are not for sure losses lol.

We still don’t know how this team will look or how these other teams will look. Claymont lost a lot of talent but return a decent amount as well. There is still an entire 5 months before we can get a real semblance of how any of these teams will look next year except IV because they return almost their entire team.

[knockout99]

This is why it was a good move for Claymont. Getting into a league where they have the opportunity to compete each week. They should never go without 4 wins a year even on down years.

[arnie palmer]

Everyone see that the Superintendent just resigned? After quickly hiring a couple questionable hires.

What are the odds these both (basketball and football) are one season and done and the new Superintendent hires his guys next year?

[Football 101]

I think it is the opposite arnie

seems the people have spoken, hired their BOE delegates to push their agenda, and now the super says hey my recommendations are not good enough, ok he go his own way and leaves the community to have their school. Can't blame the guy one bit.

New super coming in, hey these are the coaches the people wanted - the BOE wanted.

Calls for a new coach won't come until a couple subpar seasons

[FootballFan1795]

Originally Posted by Football 101

I think it is the opposite arnie

seems the people have spoken, hired their BOE delegates to push their agenda, and now the super says hey my recommendations are not good enough, ok he go his own way and leaves the community to have their school. Can't blame the guy one bit.

New super coming in, hey these are the coaches the people wanted - the BOE wanted.

Calls for a new coach won't come until a couple subpar seasons

Agreed.

The BOE has probably already decided on their next Superintendent.

[pigskin13]

Originally Posted by FootballFan1795

Agreed.

The BOE has probably already decided on their next Superintendent.

From what I heard from the Lynch Mob last season, they wanted...
1- The Head football coach fired.
2-The Super fired because he wouldn't fire the football coach.
3-The AD fired because they thought he made too much money.

[FootballFan1795]

Originally Posted by pigskin13

From what I heard from the Lynch Mob last season, they wanted...
1- The Head football coach fired.
2-The Super fired because he wouldn't fire the football coach.
3-The AD fired because they thought he made too much money.

I'm not sure if, in #3, you are referring to the new AD Evans, but, from what I understand, the Lynch Mob was p!ssed that the Super fired AD Beckley. Soon after the old BOE agreed to let Beckley go, 3 new board members magically appeared, and this trio included Beckley's dad!

[pigskin13]

Originally Posted by FootballFan1795

I'm not sure if, in #3, you are referring to the new AD Evans, but, from what I understand, the Lynch Mob was p!ssed that the Super fired AD Beckley. Soon after the old BOE agreed to let Beckley go, 3 new board members magically appeared, and this trio included Beckley's dad!

Yep, Evans. They wanted him gone and Beckley re-hired.
I tried to reason with them telling them Scott Beckley was the single biggest reason Claymont didn't make the playoffs last season.

His non-league schedule produced a total of 9.5 first level points and 10 2nd level points. If they would have played Harrison Central, Northwest or just about any 2 win team instead of NP they would have been in the playoffs.

These people aren't interested in facts or what's best for the program.

And it wasn't magic that 3 new board members appeared, the Lynch Mob worked hard to get enough people elected to the board who would vote to fire the coach, no other qualifications for the job were considered.

[Journey]

Don't know how you do it year in and year out Pigskin, come be a Dover fan. We're idiots too, but a different kind of idiot.

[pigskin13]

Originally Posted by Journey

Don't know how you do it year in and year out Pigskin, come be a Dover fan. We're idiots too, but a different kind of idiot.

I went to all the Dover playoff games, as well as the IV playoff games, just to get a glimpse of what it would be like to see the Mustangs in the playoffs.

Thanks for the invite, but I'm a loyal Claymont fan. I've been watching Claymont football since 1970, my first game was a 14-12 win over Indian Valley North.
I keep hoping some day the Lynch Mobs will turn into real fans and cheer for the team and the BOE will stick to education and stay away from football, maybe then Claymont will get a real football coach who stays for decades and builds a winning program.

[knockout99]

pig

How in the world was it Beckleys fault they didnt make the playoffs? I think that fault belongs to the head coach. Beckley didnt hire Leisecki so you cant blame him for that. The schedule was made before Beckley was hired and he wasnt there long enough to schedule any other years! C'mon man!

I agree with you 100% on the people dont care about whats best for the program. Thats evident in the past 20 years or so. And everybody has the facts, just ask them!

[pigskin13]

Are you saying Beckley didn't make the 2017 schedule? It was my understanding that he made the schedule for last season, dropped Harrison Central from the 1st game and replaced them with NP. If they would have kept Harrison Central on the schedule they would have made the playoffs.

If Beckley didn't made the 2017 schedule, I apologize. If he didn't, who did?

Whoever made the schedule is at fault, you can't have non conference games against teams like NP (you get zero 1st level and zero 2nd level points for losing) and River View (who gave us 5 1st level points and zero 2nd level points) when you know Newcomerstown (4 1st level and zero 2nd level points) is on the schedule.
Whoever made that schedule has no idea how the Harbin point system works.
I've talked with the new AD and he at least has a working knowledge of the Harbin system.

[knockout99]

That is correct.

And the new AD is the one that dropped New Phila. And New Phila isnt happy about the late drop either.

[lon]

It does not matter if New Philly is happy or not, the AD at Claymont has one objective and that is to do what is best for the kids of Claymont, that's it.

Claymont would lose to New Philly at about 56.5 (which is the highest number in my algorithm) to 2.3. So if New Philly and Claymont played three times in 2018 Claymont would score one TD in 12 quarters.

If I change my formula and add the new coach and his formula into my algorithm, they score one TD every 5 games against New Philly. So stop with it, the Stangs could not play with New Philly and would get kids hurt.

[knockout99]

Haha You dont need your formula from your algowhateveritis to know that Claymont does not need to be playing New Phila. One look at the record over the years will give you the answer. Claymont does not need to be playing New Phila or Dover. The only good to come out of playing them is the gate. A lot of money is made. But that is not good for the kids.

The issue with canceling so late is the issue. Not a good thing to do. Unless it was agreed upon by both schools which I dont think this was the case. The same thing happened to Claymont several years ago and they were left scrambling and had to schedule some Cleveland team and then had to play a St. Clairsville for two years. I bet the Claymont people would be upset if New Phila wrestling pulled out of a match. Im hearing New Phila is dumping Claymont in everything now. But that is rumor at this point so I dont know how true it is.

[Journey]

Last time Claymont had Matty D at the helm they beat New Phila-

9/13/02 A Claymont (7-3) beat New Philadelphia (5-5) [2:7] W 20-14 ot


Kind of goes to show that by having a good coach you can improve. But if you frag your own field commander you're probably not going to be as prepared to go into battle.

[FootballFan1795]

Originally Posted by knockout99

pig ... The schedule was made before Beckley was hired and he wasn't there long enough to schedule any other years!

My understanding is that pig doesn't have a problem with Evans dropping Phila from the 2018 schedule. Pig wanted to keep Harrison Central for Week 1, which was on both the 2015 and 2016 schedules. He's saying he thinks whoever put Phila on the 2017 schedule (in place of Harrison Central) cost Claymont a 2017 playoff spot (arguing in terms of Harbin points).

You claim that the 2017 schedule was made before Beckley was hired as AD in Aug. 2016. If that is true, then I guess pig could argue that former AD Daniell (who left at the end of the 2015-2016 school year) cost Claymont a chance to make the 2017 playoffs.

However, if it turns out that Daniell didn't add Phila to the 2017 schedule, and Beckley didn't do it (as you claim), then it must have been the fault of Interim AD Amicone (who took the position in Jan. 2017) or current AD Evans, who was hired to replace Amicone, in Aug. 2017. With that said, the latter two seem unlikely.

Originally Posted by knockout99

And the new AD is the one that dropped New Phila. And New Phila isn't happy about the late drop either.

Originally Posted by knockout99

... canceling so late is the issue.

BTW, Phila had adequate time to schedule a more competitive Week 1 game, IMO.

[knockout99]

Journey

Very true. It takes a good coach with good talent for a Claymont team to beat them. Matt is a good coach and he had talent. Henry beat New Phila with talent too.

And youre right, if you frag the commander, its not going to be good. Claymont people have a history of fragging the crap out of every coach they get!!!

[FootballFan1795]

Knockout, perhaps it's just a difference of opinion. Pig is putting the onus of missing the playoffs on the AD's scheduling, whereas it seems you are putting the blame on the HC.

[FootballFan1795]

Originally Posted by knockout99

I think that fault belongs to the head coach.

Originally Posted by knockout99

And you're right, if you frag the commander, it's not going to be good. Claymont people have a history of fragging the crap out of every coach they get!!!

So, are you one of those people?