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Old 05-15-18, 08:51 PM
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You mean like when I said his velocity was up 6 mph from a year ago? That would certainly be a good indicator that he turned the corner (considering it dropped due to a hip injury).
Right, you were ridiculed for claiming he turned a corner in spring training, not for suggesting he get starts this year. Glad to clear that up for you.
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Old 05-15-18, 09:00 PM
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For starters his velocity is up 6 mph from last season. His k/9 is up his BB/9 is down. His WHIP and ERA are unsustainably low. He certainly has gotten the attention of the Reds management.

Granted it is all spring training but that's all we have to go on right now.
I posted this.....
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Old 05-15-18, 09:02 PM
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I'd give Garrett the 4th spot and start Mahle in AAA. Mahle should stay there until his service time allows him to be called up. If Finnegan can't go then make the call between Reed and using up Mahle's service time.

The Reds don't expect to compete this year so I would keep Mahle down.
And 6 post later I posted this.
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Old 05-15-18, 09:02 PM
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Right, you were ridiculed for claiming he turned a corner in spring training, not for suggesting he get starts this year. Glad to clear that up for you.
So what about making him the 4th starter means he shouldn't start? Troll
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Old 05-15-18, 09:08 PM
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So what about making him the 4th starter means he shouldn't start? Troll
Are you senile troll? One more time: you were ridiculed for claiming he “turned the corner “ based on spring training NOT for saying he should start.
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Old 05-15-18, 09:10 PM
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Votto not playing tonight, I guarantee a REDS win over my GIANTS..... gauranteed!!!
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Old 05-15-18, 09:21 PM
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Mahle is pitching, so I’m down with a reds win.
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Old 05-15-18, 09:32 PM
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Are you senile troll? One more time: you were ridiculed for claiming he “turned the corner “ based on spring training NOT for saying he should start.
And my observations of his "turning the corner" were right.... just as I said.
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Old 05-15-18, 09:59 PM
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And my observations of his "turning the corner" were right.... just as I said.
He a great middle reliever. Great call.
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Old 05-15-18, 10:18 PM
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The Reds are paying Bailey to be bad. Why not pay him to not be bad? He is not helping this team. His salary is lost money. It makes no sense to keep running him out there to get drilled if someone else needs/deserves the innings.

As for Scooter, the Mariners would join Cleveland, Boston and Arizona as potential trade partners.
Because if he's pitching then there's the chance he puts together a few good starts and has some value. Paying his $50M to sit on the couch gives them no chance at getting anything in return.

Bringing up young guys for experience doesn't appear to be in the cards right now. For the first time I can remember, the Reds are really sticking to plans in terms of their minor league pitchers. In the past, pitch counts were thrown out the window if the SP was having a good game. Hopefully this leads to success in the future.
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Old 05-15-18, 10:35 PM
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well, 3-3 in the 4th, it is late.... going to bed, let me know what happens....

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Old 05-16-18, 04:55 AM
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Because if he's pitching then there's the chance he puts together a few good starts and has some value. Paying his $50M to sit on the couch gives them no chance at getting anything in return.

Bringing up young guys for experience doesn't appear to be in the cards right now. For the first time I can remember, the Reds are really sticking to plans in terms of their minor league pitchers. In the past, pitch counts were thrown out the window if the SP was having a good game. Hopefully this leads to success in the future.
Disco comes off the DL in a couple of weeks. Whose spot is he taking?
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Old 05-16-18, 07:20 AM
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What veterans are you talking about? Disco? Harvey?

Stephenson has NEVER thrown strikes consistently. He has an excellent slider but he can't throw a fastball for a quality strike. That screams bullpen yet the Reds insist on making him a starter. Why? Because they can't evaluate pitching talent.
Cody Reed is another 2 pitch "starter". Why in the world would you want to run guys like this out every 5th day to get hammered for the sake of "rebuilding"?

I have zero faith in the Reds ability to evaluate and develop young pitching talent.

This team can hit. Since Schebler came back (Suarez a couple of days later) they have been scoring 5 Runs per game. You're ok with wasting above average position players careers for the sake of "rebuilding". I'm not.

They have 3 young pitchers in Mahle, Castillo and Romano who they can build a rotation around. Who knows how Harvey will play out? Maybe he resembles his old self, maybe not but at least find out. Trotting out some young kid to get slaughtered is not the answer.

In the offseason find another legit starter.
That long post by wolves was regarding Homer in response to 14Red saying he'll be in the rotation because he costs too much. How did you miss that?
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Old 05-16-18, 07:44 AM
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Disco comes off the DL in a couple of weeks. Whose spot is he taking?
May be able to take your pick by then. Couple of weeks is a long time with this team.
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Old 05-16-18, 07:47 AM
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well, 3-3 in the 4th, it is late.... going to bed, let me know what happens....

out.
Garrett came in for Mahle, could have got out of the inning with a double play, but Suarez throw to Scooter was low and the subsequent turn was late. Reds got a few guys on later in the game, but could not get a big hit. Giants and Reds are pretty good matchup, both teams are not very good.
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Old 05-16-18, 07:50 AM
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The one thing that's a little scary about Mahle is when he loses it, he loses it NOW. in the 4th inning last night, up 3-0 and seeming cruising along, he gives up home run, single, single, single, single and it's tied. Garrett came in and got a ground ball, but Suarez throw to Gennett was low and the turn was just late or they could have kept it tied.
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Old 05-16-18, 08:12 AM
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Votto not playing tonight, I guarantee a REDS win over my GIANTS..... gauranteed!!!
I agree. The reds are better off without the guy who finished 2nd in the MVP race. I'd DFA Joey if I were calling the shots. I'd much rather see Duvall play 1st the rest of the season.
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Old 05-16-18, 08:40 AM
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That long post by wolves was regarding Homer in response to 14Red saying he'll be in the rotation because he costs too much. How did you miss that?
We'll, he did address that post to me and 14Red. How did you miss that?
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Old 05-16-18, 08:45 AM
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Because if he's pitching then there's the chance he puts together a few good starts and has some value. Paying his $50M to sit on the couch gives them no chance at getting anything in return.

Bringing up young guys for experience doesn't appear to be in the cards right now. For the first time I can remember, the Reds are really sticking to plans in terms of their minor league pitchers. In the past, pitch counts were thrown out the window if the SP was having a good game. Hopefully this leads to success in the future.
What team is going to trade for Bailey based on 3 or 4 decent starts?

The only way any teams trades for Bailey is if the Reds throw in top tier prospects. In essence selling them.
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The one thing that's a little scary about Mahle is when he loses it, he loses it NOW. in the 4th inning last night, up 3-0 and seeming cruising along, he gives up home run, single, single, single, single and it's tied. Garrett came in and got a ground ball, but Suarez throw to Gennett was low and the turn was just late or they could have kept it tied.
He is a 23 year old rookie...

Young rookies get rattled.
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May be able to take your pick by then. Couple of weeks is a long time with this team.
They aren't picking Romano, Mahle or Castillo unless there is an injury.

That leaves Bailey and Harvey. Which would you choose?
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He a great middle reliever. Great call.
I didn't call for him to be a middle reliever.


I clearly stated he should be the 4th starter.
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Old 05-16-18, 09:12 AM
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I've been all for releasing Bailey for a long time. His contract is immovable unless you give away other talent for a team to take him.

I wanted Garrett in the rotation since spring training. I was mocked for the suggestion.

Matt Harvey is a stop gap with pedigree and upside. He's worth 10 starts simply because they really don't have anyone else kicking down the door.

When Disco is ready Bailey should be DFA'd.
From everything I've seen so has everyone else?
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We'll, he did address that post to me and 14Red. How did you miss that?
I didn't, but the response was moreso to the question of Homer and answering why he shouldn't be in the rotation. You both made arguments for why he is, wolves explained why he shouldn't be. Where he brought up Harvey and Disco you'd have to show me?
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I didn't, but the response was moreso to the question of Homer and answering why he shouldn't be in the rotation. You both made arguments for why he is, wolves explained why he shouldn't be. Where he brought up Harvey and Disco you'd have to show me?
Where did I make the argument FOR Bailey?

Wolves brought up veteran starters taking up starts. The only veterans are Bailey and Harvey. Disco would be the next closest. I asked him to clarify who he meant. He has yet to do so.
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Old 05-16-18, 10:32 AM
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From everything I've seen so has everyone else?
Yeah everyone else has. Odd IndianDad would make up lies about being mocked for that.
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Where did I make the argument FOR Bailey?

Wolves brought up veteran starters taking up starts. The only veterans are Bailey and Harvey. Disco would be the next closest. I asked him to clarify who he meant. He has yet to do so.
Not hard to figure out he was talking about Bailey. And he quoted your post, so that's why he addressed you.
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He is a 23 year old rookie...

Young rookies get rattled.
Granted, but so far with Mahle, he's great, then when it goes bad, it goes bad fast.
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That long post by wolves was regarding Homer in response to 14Red saying he'll be in the rotation because he costs too much. How did you miss that?
He misses everything and calls people who point it out a troll.
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They aren't picking Romano, Mahle or Castillo unless there is an injury.

That leaves Bailey and Harvey. Which would you choose?
With a gun to my head, I'd take Bailey. I think Homer may be able to transition into a middle reliever. We have so many 4-5 inning starts, it may be good to have a guy that can go 3 innings every 2-3 days.

Only thing with Homer is how fast can get warm up? He's never been anything but a starter. I want to give Harvey every chance to be successful, his trade value will go up.
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