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Old 02-23-17, 01:46 PM
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Can't wait to download my consciousness onto a laser beam and shoot it over to TRAPPIST-1 for download onto my machine body waiting there
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Old 02-23-17, 07:58 PM
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Lotr, Blackhawk, Michael Bluth - thank you, great stuff, just spent the last hour reading your posts and downloading your link docs and videos. Maybe if I live long enough I'll actually meet the two characters I saw in Hooters a few years back
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Old 02-23-17, 08:04 PM
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Lotr, Blackhawk, Michael Bluth - thank you, great stuff, just spent the last hour reading your posts and downloading your link docs and videos. Maybe if I live long enough I'll actually meet the two characters I saw in Hooters a few years back
Maybe they came from the TRAPPIST-1 star system.
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Old 02-23-17, 08:19 PM
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Maybe they came from the TRAPPIST-1 star system.
Maybe I came from the TRAPPIST - star system
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Old 02-24-17, 08:41 PM
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Maybe I came from the TRAPPIST - star system
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Old 02-26-17, 09:26 AM
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Scientific American has a cool article advocating for a return to the moon and this time we put down roots:

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...-time-to-stay/

The argument is that the way to do this is via PRIVATE company's and the author suggests that Space X & Bigelow Aerospace are perfectly positioned to do just that. An intriguing opportunity involves inflatable habitats:

In 2000, Bigelow purchased a technology that Congress had ordered NASA to abandon: inflatable habitats. For the last sixteen years Bigelow and his company, Bigelow Aerospace, have been advancing inflatable habitat technology. Inflatable technology lets you squeeze a housing unit into a small package, carry it by rocket to a space destination, then blow it up like a balloon. Since the spring of 2016, Bigelow, a real estate developer and founder of the Budget Suites of America hotel chain, has had an inflatable habitat acting as a spare room at the International Space Station 220 miles above your head and mine. And Bigelow’s been developing something far more ambitious—an inflatable Moon Base, that would use three of his 330-cubic-meter B330 modules. What’s more, Bigelow has been developing a landing vehicle to bring his modules gently down to the Moon’s surface.

Moon living might be fun!
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Old 02-26-17, 10:14 AM
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Scientific American has a cool article advocating for a return to the moon and this time we put down roots:

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...-time-to-stay/

The argument is that the way to do this is via PRIVATE company's and the author suggests that Space X & Bigelow Aerospace are perfectly positioned to do just that. An intriguing opportunity involves inflatable habitats:

In 2000, Bigelow purchased a technology that Congress had ordered NASA to abandon: inflatable habitats. For the last sixteen years Bigelow and his company, Bigelow Aerospace, have been advancing inflatable habitat technology. Inflatable technology lets you squeeze a housing unit into a small package, carry it by rocket to a space destination, then blow it up like a balloon. Since the spring of 2016, Bigelow, a real estate developer and founder of the Budget Suites of America hotel chain, has had an inflatable habitat acting as a spare room at the International Space Station 220 miles above your head and mine. And Bigelow’s been developing something far more ambitious—an inflatable Moon Base, that would use three of his 330-cubic-meter B330 modules. What’s more, Bigelow has been developing a landing vehicle to bring his modules gently down to the Moon’s surface.

Moon living might be fun!
Being stuck in a inflatable budget suits room on the moon sounds miserable. Now going to the Trappist system with the monks and brewing great beer sounds awesome.
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Old 02-26-17, 11:04 AM
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Being stuck in a inflatable budget suits room on the moon sounds miserable. Now going to the Trappist system with the monks and brewing great beer sounds awesome.
I've never been a big fan of the Belgian beers.

Before I go star traveling, I'm waiting for evidence of life coming from the MUNCHEN-1 star system. Planets Dunkel, Helles and Weissbier!
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Old 02-26-17, 07:25 PM
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Here's an interesting speculative story about how initial colonization of Mars might look like:

http://thespaceeconomy.blogspot.com/...n-society.html

It gets a bit fanciful in places but the basic theme that Mars is likely to be the first major settlement of humans off earth is spot on.

Here's the Blog this story came from. It's quite good though the owner posts somewhat infrequently and in bunches. Has a lot of cool images.

http://thespaceeconomy.blogspot.com/
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Old 02-27-17, 04:28 PM
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Now that's the spirit!

https://story.californiasunday.com/mars-madness

Long but interesting article about a couple that's willing to get into a two person rocket and travel to Mars & back. They are serious as both have skied to the North Pole before so they're accomplished explorers.

Found this link at Instapundit, so check it out for more great stories:

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/
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Old 02-28-17, 06:28 PM
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Now here's an article written just for this thread: How might humans living on Mars evolve:

http://www.nbcnews.com/mach/space/ma...-human-n708636

The argument is whether we would actually evolve into a "new" species? I side with the POV that we wouldn't but long term human colonists might diversify much like Earth based humanity did as it left Africa and was exposed to the selection pressures of different climates.

Or will all this become moot as humans increasingly "artificial" as we incorporate future medical enhancements?
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Old 02-28-17, 06:34 PM
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I'd assume humans would get paler and taller but with weaker bones and muscles.
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Old 02-28-17, 06:47 PM
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I'd assume humans would get paler and taller but with weaker bones and muscles.
Crusaders vision of the human race bares a striking resemblance to Crusaders.
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Old 02-28-17, 06:58 PM
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I'd assume humans would get paler and taller but with weaker bones and muscles.
That's as good a guess as any but it is an interesting scientific puzzle that's for sure! From the article it seems there are several directions in which selection could exert evolutionary pressures on human Mars colonizers and so who knows what the final results will look like?

I'm skeptical though that radiation will play a big role in inducing "mutations" as some argue in the article as mars colonizers will be well protected from exposure. Or at least I hope they are!
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Old 03-02-17, 04:37 PM
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Here's an interesting article on some advancements in cryopreservation that could have a huge impact on long range space missions - like a journey to Mars:

http://www.sciencealert.com/scientis...without-damage

While the article focuses on how new techniques that result in undamaged cryopreserved tissues might lead to long term storage of organs for transfer, the implications for cryostorage of humans is clear.
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Old 03-02-17, 04:40 PM
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I hope the engineers figure out how to get us to Mars.
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Old 03-02-17, 04:43 PM
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And right on cue Instapundit (https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/) has a link to a great article that discusses a potentially HUGE breakthrough in rocket engine design:

https://arstechnica.com/science/2017...ut-to-pay-off/

Here's a nice intro but read the entire article as it's outstanding:

Truth be told, the plume does not look impressive at all. And yet the engine firing within the vacuum chamber is potentially revolutionary for two simple reasons: first, unlike gas-guzzling conventional rocket engines, it requires little fuel. And second, this engine might one day push spacecraft to velocities sufficient enough to open the Solar System to human exploration.

This has long been the promise of Chang-Díaz’s plasma-based VASIMR rocket engine. From a theoretical physics standpoint, the rocket has always seemed a reasonable proposition: generate a plasma, excite it, and then push it out a nozzle at high speed. But what about the real-world engineering of actually building such an engine—managing the plasma and its thermal properties, then successfully firing it for a long period of time? That has proven challenging, and it has led many to doubt the engine’s practicality.
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Old 03-02-17, 04:44 PM
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I hope the engineers figure out how to get us to Mars.
See my other post - they may have discovered the engine that will take us.
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Old 03-02-17, 05:12 PM
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See my other post - they may have discovered the engine that will take us.
Nu-uh! It was SCIENCE! Engineers didn't do nuthin'.
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Old 03-02-17, 05:19 PM
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Who said engineers didn't do anything? More strawmen from you. In fact you're the one who claimed the moon landing wasn't a scientific accomplishment.
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Old 03-02-17, 05:32 PM
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Who said engineers didn't do anything? More strawmen from you. In fact you're the one who claimed the moon landing wasn't a scientific accomplishment.
He's actually the one who claimed engineers did. 100% of it. So f'n dumb.
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I think they need to build a wheel space station first.






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Old 03-02-17, 05:44 PM
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He's actually the one who claimed engineers did. 100% of it. So f'n dumb.
Right, to claim science was 100% unnecessary to accomplish what they did in 1969 may be one of the most idiotic statements humanly possible.
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Old 03-02-17, 05:54 PM
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Probably still the best way to achieve artificial gravity.
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Still a great scene nearly 60 years after the movie was made.

One thing is for sure, 2001 should embarrass the human race as the movies very reasonable extrapolations into where the space program would be by the year 2001 has not been realized. But hey, our phones are really cool today!
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Old 03-02-17, 08:09 PM
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Probably still the best way to achieve artificial gravity.
What will be interesting is how soon until we understand gravity enough to create artificial "pull" without resorting to spin? Some of the recent research into gravity discussed earlier in this thread indicates just how weird it is.
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Old 03-02-17, 08:11 PM
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Nu-uh! It was SCIENCE! Engineers didn't do nuthin'.
Can't we all just get along! We'll need scientists & engineers and master craftsmen and biologists and entrepreneurs and ............... to colonize the solar system.
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Old 03-03-17, 08:48 AM
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Why do they even call it rocket science? It should be called rocket assembly. The assemblers are the ones doing the real work
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Sometimes it's the little stuff that may make all the difference for deep space exploration:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mars-astr...--finance.html

Protecting against solar radiation on long space flights may be one of the most critical challenges we'll face. This "clothing" may go a long towards solving the problem. At the very least it might spawn a whole new clothing style spinoff industry!
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