2017 Canton Central Catholic Crusaders

[16B Gappit Power]

Originally Posted by Stark Born & Bred

I don't know about that. If my memory is right, Lebron had 150+ receiving yards in the '01 playoff game at West Branch.

Your memory is a little off. If you look at St.V's football records Lebron's best receiving game of his career was 147 against Wicliff. A guy named Tom Mcdonald had 119 as the leading receiver in the game against Central. Lebron only caught like 4 or 5 passes all game but 2 were for Td's. I remember him short arming a few passes. I remember thinking that he was definitely about done with football cause you could tell he didnt want to get hit. I don't blame him either with the nba on the horizon

[Hayden Fox]

Originally Posted by 16B Gappit Power

I dont care if he could throw the ball 100 yards. He wouldn't have started over Gliatta. You cant have a guy with that talent at receiver. A guy like that has to have the ball in his hands every play. Its The same reason Ted Ginn was a qb in high school and not a receiver. His running ability was awesome. The St. V's game everyone is talking about is where Gliatta and Warner accounted for every single offensive yard in that game. Also, I believe they did already have a very good backup qb that year. I think he actually played in the east/west game as a qb that year and he never started at Central. Maybe Slife wold have been third string and that is why he quit.

Hard to argue with what you are saying. I do know (from what I was told) that there was a lot of internal strife on that team between Vince and the WR over a girl. Many say that was a reason they didn't go back to back. Funny thing is that now she bats for the other team.

I digress.

Slife probably had the better arm but was somewhat considered a loose cannon from that year's class. I heard he flamed out playing rec league football at OU but can still throw a football like a rocket launcher.

[Starkbuck]

Originally Posted by Hayden Fox

Hate to say it and scary to think but that 2000 team could have been even better had they started Bill Slife instead of Gialatta. You talk to a lot of people in that class and they will say that Slife was a freak that could throw the ball 70+ yards but got disillusioned with the program and stopped playing. Scary to think what that CCC team could have been with Slife under center and Gialatta at WR

Regardless of his arm strength, I can guarantee you that he would not have started over Gliatta who started as a Sophomore, and is undoubtedly the best QB who ever played at CCC. Additionally, if a certain QB didn't transfer to a certain school, Gliatta would have been the undisputed number 1 QB in Stark County. Vince had several offers to play QB, but none at the level that he wanted due to his 6'1" frame. His arm strength was unbelievable, and his accuracy was even more impressive.

I honestly feel kind of bad for Vince because he played in the wrong era of football and would be, without a doubt, a top tier prospect in today's game. So, to compare him someone who didn't play beyond his sophomore year is an injustice by all accounts. Additionally, anyone who followed CCC football back then knew that you only had to throw the ball enough to keep people honest with the way Klinefelter ran the veer.

[Starkbuck]

Originally Posted by 16B Gappit Power

Your memory is a little off. If you look at St.V's football records Lebron's best receiving game of his career was 147 against Wicliff. A guy named Tom Mcdonald had 119 as the leading receiver in the game against Central. Lebron only caught like 4 or 5 passes all game but 2 were for Td's. I remember him short arming a few passes. I remember thinking that he was definitely about done with football cause you could tell he didnt want to get hit. I don't blame him either with the nba on the horizon

You are correct! He became gator-armed quite a bit when he was bracketed by Gliatta and Warner in addition to Curran and Harold. I also believe that Lebron knew he had the $90+ Million contract waiting for him upon graduation and that may have impacted his ability to run crossing routes.

But that St. V's team was loaded! They had the N'West studs that were asked to leave for various reasons and Romeo Travis, Si'An Cotton, Dru Joyce, and a few other high level kids. Crazy how they got shellacked the following week by Newark Licking Valley.

[Mr. Slippery]

Regarding this whole greatest CCHS football team of all time debate, I'm still going with 2000. I liked their versatility. They could play any style of game and win doing it. The 2014 team was physically talented, but I can't call a team that yielded 60 points in a game the greatest in CCHS history.

It's difficult to figure where 1988 fits into the equation because, as Nino pointed out, the game was much different back then. Could they have consistently defended the passing game that has been part of the CCHS offense the past few years? I don't know one way or the other, but I do believe 2000 and 2014 had better athletes and more of them.

2016 won a gold trophy, but player for player, I would take 2014 over them. I would take the week 15 version of the 2016 squad over the week 15 version of the 2015 squad.

[16B Gappit Power]

Originally Posted by Starkbuck

Y. Crazy how they got shellacked the following week by Newark Licking Valley.

When you turn the ball over 5 or 6 times you won't beat anyone and if my memory is correct that is what did st v's in that game.

I know Lowell really wanted to have the opportunity to play Kenton and Mauk that year. He loved the challenge of trying to shut that offense down.

[16B Gappit Power]

Originally Posted by Starkbuck

Regardless of his arm strength, I can guarantee you that he would not have started over Gliatta who started as a Sophomore, and is undoubtedly the best QB who ever played at CCC. Additionally, if a certain QB didn't transfer to a certain school, Gliatta would have been the undisputed number 1 QB in Stark County. Vince had several offers to play QB, but none at the level that he wanted due to his 6'1" frame. His arm strength was unbelievable, and his accuracy was even more impressive.

I honestly feel kind of bad for Vince because he played in the wrong era of football and would be, without a doubt, a top tier prospect in today's game. So, to compare him someone who didn't play beyond his sophomore year is an injustice by all accounts. Additionally, anyone who followed CCC football back then knew that you only had to throw the ball enough to keep people honest with the way Klinefelter ran the veer.

Lowell stated at his retirement dinner that Vince was the best player he has ever coached in his career. He defined the best player and the biggest difference maker. That was Vince.
Also, afterwards at the the Klinefelters home I was overhearing some conversation between Lowell and Vince and he said he really wanted Vince to go to Ohio U. To play quarterback. He thought the coach at that time ran the perfect offense for Vince. Vince said it was just so hard to say no to JoePa and that type of figure when you are a high school kid and he is showing up for your basketball games and everything. Hindsight is always 20/20. Especially when you are young. Also, Lowell actually apologized to Vince for running him so much either in that St v's game or the entire year. I think they were talking about that game. I guess it would be comfortable for any coach to ride a guy like that who always got positive yards, it was such a safe thing to just have Vince run it and get positive yards every time.

[Nino Brown]

Originally Posted by Mr. Slippery

Regarding this whole greatest CCHS football team of all time debate, I'm still going with 2000. I liked their versatility. They could play any style of game and win doing it. The 2014 team was physically talented, but I can't call a team that yielded 60 points in a game the greatest in CCHS history.

It's difficult to figure where 1988 fits into the equation because, as Nino pointed out, the game was much different back then. Could they have consistently defended the passing game that has been part of the CCHS offense the past few years? I don't know one way or the other, but I do believe 2000 and 2014 had better athletes and more of them.

2016 won a gold trophy, but player for player, I would take 2014 over them. I would take the week 15 version of the 2016 squad over the week 15 version of the 2015 squad.

Well said slip...I won't say I agree...but I feel ya..would love to see that game take place. I would be drinking beers along with Cru van...blowing my horn as the boys come down that dirt road....that dirt road iconic!

[Nino Brown]

In the cards of this hypothetical game, Buccuti was injured his sophomore year. His JR year he beat GO, which Klinefleter said was one of his biggest wins of his career. We all know the story. But few know that Jake did not practice the whole week. The team went to Jake said you have to play. He did. they won. He lost a rib, and the next year took the team to the title game.

[Ohhighschoolfb]

Originally Posted by Nino Brown

In the cards of this hypothetical game, Buccuti was injured his sophomore year. His JR year he beat GO, which Klinefleter said was one of his biggest wins of his career. We all know the story. But few know that Jake did not practice the whole week. The team went to Jake said you have to play. He did. they won. He lost a rib, and the next year took the team to the title game.

Boccuti was one tough kid and a heck of a QB. At 6"1 200 he was basically unstoppable throwing the ball to his two 4.4 slot guys and was always a threat to pick up yards on the ground. I never saw Gliatta play in person. How does Boccuti compare to Gliatta?

[andre]

well its looks like the rivalry between CCC and CW is over for now, with Cw dropping down to D6

[Mr. Slippery]

Originally Posted by andre

well its looks like the rivalry between CCC and CW is over for now, with Cw dropping down to D6

CCC's enrollment numbers would've allowed the series to continue in DVI, but shame on CCC for having so many football players that attended St. Joan of Arc and St. Mary.

[Nino Brown]

Originally Posted by Ohhighschoolfb

Boccuti was one tough kid and a heck of a QB. At 6"1 200 he was basically unstoppable throwing the ball to his two 4.4 slot guys and was always a threat to pick up yards on the ground. I never saw Gliatta play in person. How does Boccuti compare to Gliatta?

In my opinion, Jake was comparable to Gilatta. Jake lost his his sophomore year and half of his JR year. The maturation process never took place for him. That is his is story. Gilatta was a freak that had the benifit of maturing. In my opinion, he was the best that ever that played that position. Give Jake a year and a half, we might be talking a different tune.

[Maple_City_Fan]

I'm really liking this Week 1 matchup at Bellevue Redmen. I may have to make the short trip from Norwalk to take in this game.

[The Veer]

Originally Posted by Maple_City_Fan

I'm really liking this Week 1 matchup at Bellevue Redmen. I may have to make the short trip from Norwalk to take in this game.

I am interested in this game as well. We know there is some good ball played up that way after facing Edison the past 2 seasons. CCC ran into a tough Clyde team in the past also.

[Maple_City_Fan]

I was ready to bring up Clyde as Bellevue has the same-type of athletes/football players; tough/hard-nosed, and disciplined.

Yes, I recall the Fliers beating CCC in 94 en route to Title game. Clyde won state the following year.

Bellevue was III runner-up to ASVSM in '12.

[The Veer]

Originally Posted by Maple_City_Fan

I was ready to bring up Clyde as Bellevue has the same-type of athletes/football players; tough/hard-nosed, and disciplined.

Yes, I recall the Fliers beating CCC in 94 en route to Title game. Clyde won state the following year.

Bellevue was III runner-up to ASVSM in '12.

Yeah, I recall that game as well as I was in attendance. Great Clyde teams for sure. I went to the West Branch title game as well. CCC used to scrimmage West Branch back in those times.

What do you know about Bellevue and the skilled positions to be returning?

[Starkbuck]

Originally Posted by Nino Brown

In my opinion, Jake was comparable to Gilatta. Jake lost his his sophomore year and half of his JR year. The maturation process never took place for him. That is his is story. Gilatta was a freak that had the benifit of maturing. In my opinion, he was the best that ever that played that position. Give Jake a year and a half, we might be talking a different tune.

While I understand what you are saying and the maturation process is vital to the success of the QB, you have to also acknowledge that Vince played in a totally different system as well. While Vince was a running threat, that was the bread and butter of the offense and he was mature enough to run the veer as a sophomore and junior, but even developed further as a senior with a bit a spread. I believe, and this is only my opinion, if Vince played in the current offensive system he would have been a high level D1 recruit and we would not have this discussion period.

I have watched both of these outstanding players in person and aside from the physical build, there were not many similarities in their games. Jake had speed, but not 4.4 speed and would rather try to run over someone before leaving them in the dust. Vince was one of the most elusive runners I have ever watched as he possessed the ability to move laterally as well as anyone and could outrun the defense in a straight sprint. Additionally, Vince was a much more efficient thrower and had very good touch on his intermediate routes, where Jake was more of a fastball thrower.

[andre]

Someone posted on the open weeks thread that we are playing Akron Ellet week 6. Does know if this is true or not

[andre]

So who will be the new QB for the Crusaders.

[Stark Born & Bred]

Originally Posted by andre

So who will be the new QB for the Crusaders.

Stone Sirpilla has been the back-up for 2 years and has the most game experience. In fact, there were even rumors and on-field evidence of the rumor, that the coaching staff flirted with putting him behind center and moving Jack Murphy to WR in Week 4 or 5.

That said, I would not be shocked if they went with one of the younger Crusaders and moved Stone elsewhere on the field.

You heard anything?

[Starkbuck]

I am guessing that Stone will probably be the incumbent for QB, making this the fourth different QB in four years for this team. He does not possess the running threat that Jack or Jake did, but is more reminiscent of Dan Platek. He has a cannon for an arm and has improved his speed, but as long as he can get you a few yards on keepers he will be fine.

The one thing I have heard is the number of players coming out has steadily increased and that this offseason has been one of the most productive in the weight room. A couple of people have mentioned that there has been a significant uptick in participation, even for students in multiple sports.

[y2h]

Originally Posted by Starkbuck

I am guessing that Stone will probably be the incumbent for QB, making this the fourth different QB in four years for this team. He does not possess the running threat that Jack or Jake did, but is more reminiscent of Dan Platek. He has a cannon for an arm and has improved his speed, but as long as he can get you a few yards on keepers he will be fine.

The one thing I have heard is the number of players coming out has steadily increased and that this offseason has been one of the most productive in the weight room. A couple of people have mentioned that there has been a significant uptick in participation, even for students in multiple sports.

state titles do wonders for participation

[TriangleMan]

Starting to remove the old turf.
http://cchssports.com/2017/06/13/cen...c-gone-turfin/

[Stark Born & Bred]

Originally Posted by TriangleMan

Starting to remove the old turf.
http://cchssports.com/2017/06/13/cen...c-gone-turfin/

New turf??!! Nice. Any idea what paint job they chose for it? I assume they will leave the end zones blank again but I would not mind seeing something in them. The interlocking "C"s at midfield were classic but I also thought a little too simple. I guess we will see if Coach Lindesmith keeps putting his touch on the program he inherited. Also, I will be curious to see if Lowell Klinefelter Field makes an appearance on the field itself now that he is retired and not there to object.

Either way, I say brand that field all over the place and make sure it is used night and day. Use does not wear down field turf, the elements do. Better to use it than look at it.

[Stark Born & Bred]

Originally Posted by y2h

state titles do wonders for participation

That is awesome news and I hope it is accurate. With enrollment in the 325 range, it is really tough to field teams at all three levels but there is a great benefit to doing that if you can pull it off. Mainly, it allows those undersized/not quite ripe freshmen to enjoy a year of development without being worried about needing to compete against 18 year old men at larger schools.

All that said, and strictly from a football fan perspective, I would prefer a small, talented roster to a larger, untalented one. Then again, why not be greedy and ask for both - large and talented. Time will tell what we have.

[Stark Born & Bred]

Originally Posted by andre

Someone posted on the open weeks thread that we are playing Akron Ellet week 6. Does know if this is true or not

Is this confirmed?

[hoser]

Originally Posted by y2h

state titles do wonders for participation

Uh, so does recruiting .

[Stark Born & Bred]

Originally Posted by hoser

Uh, so does recruiting .

Absolutely. We are flush with cash and a well-oiled recruiting machine. We bring them in from 9 different counties, pay the tuition, give them letterman's jackets and a lease on a car for the starters. I forgot about that, Hoser. My apologies.

[Mr. Slippery]

Originally Posted by Stark Born & Bred

Is this confirmed?

I saw it on Ellet's Arbiter page, so yeah, game on.

Also of note, the week one opponent is a new one. The Bellevue Redmen will be facing Oak Harbor at home on 8/11 and Port Clinton on the road on 8/18 in their 2 preseason scrimmages. I saw that both on Arbiter and on Bellevue HS's website. I don't think Canton CC has traveled that far for a regular season game since '93 when they played at Mount Lebanon (PA).