Yappi Sports - THE Ohio Prep Sports Authority  

Go Back   Yappi Sports - THE Ohio Prep Sports Authority > Boys HS Sports > Wrestling

Hello Guest!
Take a minute to register, It's 100% FREE! What are you waiting for?
Register Now
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-16-18, 06:55 PM
mslyman mslyman is offline
Freshman
 
Join Date: 04-01-17
Posts: 14
mslyman is on a distinguished road
Worlds 2018

Anyone know what time worlds start on Saturday morning? I already have everything bought through track just need to be awake and ready to watch. Their website doesn’t say much...
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
  #2  
Old 10-16-18, 07:26 PM
Yankeefan33 Yankeefan33 is online now
All World
 
Join Date: 02-23-12
Posts: 2,719
Yankeefan33 is on a distinguished road
4:30 AM eastern. I'll be up as well!

https://www.flowrestling.org/events/...ships/schedule
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-17-18, 01:57 AM
Redflagday Redflagday is offline
All District
 
Join Date: 05-13-14
Posts: 139
Redflagday is on a distinguished road
https://t.co/ICoSf6lAZM?amp=1
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-17-18, 09:35 AM
Cthelites Cthelites is offline
All World
 
Join Date: 02-20-08
Location: Stay Thirsty My Friends!
Posts: 4,616
Cthelites is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redflagday View Post
Dam the rooskies just threw down on snyderman! Kick some azz Cap Murica!
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-17-18, 11:45 AM
jmog jmog is offline
All World
 
Join Date: 05-11-12
Posts: 2,886
jmog is on a distinguished road
Brackets released yet?

The pre-seeds has Sudalaev at 92kg, that video had the Russian coach say he was going after Snyder again.

Which one is true?
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10-17-18, 11:53 AM
Yankeefan33 Yankeefan33 is online now
All World
 
Join Date: 02-23-12
Posts: 2,719
Yankeefan33 is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by jmog View Post
Brackets released yet?

The pre-seeds has Sudalaev at 92kg, that video had the Russian coach say he was going after Snyder again.

Which one is true?
Brackets won't be released until the day before for each weight- guys gotta weigh in before brackets are made.

Sadulaev will be going 97kg. The pre-seeds are based on rankings points from tournaments throughout the 2018 year. Sadulaev has been wrestling 92kg (and won Yarygin and Euros at that weight), and accumulated his rankings points at 92kg. They do not carry over to 97kg, so both Snyder and Sadulaev will be unranked at 97kg.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10-17-18, 11:57 AM
jmog jmog is offline
All World
 
Join Date: 05-11-12
Posts: 2,886
jmog is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yankeefan33 View Post
Brackets won't be released until the day before for each weight- guys gotta weigh in before brackets are made.

Sadulaev will be going 97kg. The pre-seeds are based on rankings points from tournaments throughout the 2018 year. Sadulaev has been wrestling 92kg (and won Yarygin and Euros at that weight), and accumulated his rankings points at 92kg. They do not carry over to 97kg, so both Snyder and Sadulaev will be unranked at 97kg.
That process is terrible. They could meet in the first or second round and be the obvious two best wrestlers in the field (all weights not just 97).
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10-17-18, 12:06 PM
Yankeefan33 Yankeefan33 is online now
All World
 
Join Date: 02-23-12
Posts: 2,719
Yankeefan33 is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by jmog View Post
That process is terrible. They could meet in the first or second round and be the obvious two best wrestlers in the field (all weights not just 97).
I think the process will get better. For one, there was nothing stopping that from happening any other year either, so it's not like the ranking process caused that problem. At the 2016 Olympics, Khinchegashvili wrestled Aliyev (two reigning world champs) in the quarterfinals. They were probably the two best guys that year, they just wrestled in the second round.

Second, because they expanded from 8 to 10 weights, last year's world championships didn't factor into this year's points, which I think they will next year.

It's hard to rank guys internationally. You can't exactly have a coaches meeting the day before and rank the top 8 guys
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 10-17-18, 03:56 PM
OnceAViking OnceAViking is offline
Freshman
 
Join Date: 03-30-17
Posts: 8
OnceAViking is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cthelites View Post
Dam the rooskies just threw down on snyderman! Kick some azz Cap Murica!
For those that missed the gauntlet being thrown, start at 9:00 of this video:



"I guarantee that Sadulaev won't give him [Snyder] a chance to score a single point."
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 10-17-18, 09:56 PM
Yankeefan33 Yankeefan33 is online now
All World
 
Join Date: 02-23-12
Posts: 2,719
Yankeefan33 is on a distinguished road
Full list of wrestlers entered for Worlds

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GUk...6anM-Y7IU/view

David Habat (65kg- Slovenia), Nester Taffur (74kg- Columbia), Bekzod Abdurakhmanov (74kg- Uzbekistan), Ville Heino (86kg- Finland), Domenic Abounader (86kg- Lebanon), Ethan Ramos (86kg- Puerto Rico), Turtogtokh Luvsandorj (92kg- Mongolia), and Amar Dhesi (125kg- Canada) are guys I recognized from other countries that wrestled in college in the USA. Stevan Micic (57kg- Serbia) is registered but will not wrestle due to injury.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 10-19-18, 12:06 PM
BHiatt BHiatt is offline
All American
 
Join Date: 09-02-05
Posts: 1,248
BHiatt is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yankeefan33 View Post
both Snyder and Sadulaev will be unranked at 97kg.
...and this shows the brokenness of their seeding system.


Brackets released. JB and Chamizo on same side. DT vs Yazdani in rd 1. Best two 125 kg in world on same side.

Good thing there is a "seeding" system.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 10-19-18, 12:08 PM
Yankeefan33 Yankeefan33 is online now
All World
 
Join Date: 02-23-12
Posts: 2,719
Yankeefan33 is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by BHiatt View Post
...and this shows the brokenness of their seeding system.


Brackets released. JB and Chamizo on same side. DT vs Yazdani in rd 1. Best two 125 kg in world on same side.

Good thing there is a "seeding" system.
There's an inherent problem with any seeding system though, that's my point. This is no different from any other year, and the seeding system didn't cause this. And honestly, I don't know if there is a way to fix it.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 10-19-18, 01:18 PM
Yankeefan33 Yankeefan33 is online now
All World
 
Join Date: 02-23-12
Posts: 2,719
Yankeefan33 is on a distinguished road
Quick bracket breakdown/look at the draws for USA guys:

61kg- Colon gets the top half and a bye first round, and will probably have World #18 Amirtayev of Kazakhstan. It's winnable for Colon, but guessing he loses and goes 0-1 in his first Worlds appearance. If he gets the upset, he will have the winner of Dubov and Topal (Dubov beat Dan Dennis at the Olympics in 2016 btw). Best two wrestlers in the bracket will probably meet in the semifinals on the bottom with Lomtadze and Rashidov.

Predictions: Gold- Rashidov, Silver- Bonne Rodriguez, Bronzes- Lomtadze, Dubov

74kg- Burroughs did not get an easy draw. After an easy 1st round match, he will probably have #12 Hosseinkhani of Iran, a match he should win. Then he (big surprise here) draws the Russian Sidakov, the World #3. And the winner of that just happens to get Frank Chamizo, 2017 World Champ and World #2. It's a rough draw for sure, but if anyone can do it it's Burroughs. On the bottom half, Demirtas (Turkey, World #6) is probably the best guy. Also interested to see if Ganzorig (Mongolia, coaches infamously took clothes off at Olympics) and Bekzod (Uzbekistan, World #8, beat Burroughs at Olympics) meet in the quarters.

Predictions: Gold- Burroughs, Silver- Demirtas, Bronzes- Chamizo, Bekzod

86kg- Well, we will see David Taylor vs Hassan Yazdani Charati in the very first round (so wake up at 4:30am people, it will be fun). I think this hurts Taylor a bit actually, since his gas tank is perhaps his best attribute and it won't come into play as much in the first round. The winner of that match will probably get Rajabau from Belarus (World #9); winner looks to see Cuba's Torreblance (World #13- Taylor has had close matches with him in the past). Taylor/Yazdani's semis opponent looks to be Russia's Kurugliev (World #3). On the top side, yikes. Only two world ranked guys and they will probably meet in the second round (Erdin, Turkey and Makoev, Slovakia).

Predictions: Gold- Yazdani Charati, Silver- Makoev, Bronze- Taylor, Vereb

125kg- If Burroughs and Taylor got the bad draw, Gwiz got the best draw I've seen in a while. The two World champs (Akgul and Petriashvili) are on the bottom, along with the Ukrainian Khotsianivskyi (World #3, beat Petriashvili earlier this year), the Iranian Hadi (World #4), Magomedov (Azerbaijan, World #6), and the Russian Khizriev (World #10). The only other ranked wrestler Gwiz can see on the top half is from China, and I think he will struggle with Amar Dhesi in the first round. I think Gwiz makes the finals with the great draw.

Projections: Gold- Akgul, Silver- Gwiazdowski, Bronze- Petriashvili, Dhesi
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 10-19-18, 03:02 PM
BHiatt BHiatt is offline
All American
 
Join Date: 09-02-05
Posts: 1,248
BHiatt is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yankeefan33 View Post
There's an inherent problem with any seeding system though, that's my point. This is no different from any other year, and the seeding system didn't cause this. And honestly, I don't know if there is a way to fix it.
Pretty Simple point system. Returning World Champ at same weight gets "x" points. Returning World Champ not same weight gets "x-1" point. And work way down through top 5 placing at world championships.

Can do same process for the previous year as well with decreasing points. Then have 5 (or whatever number) seed point earning tournaments during the year but those points wouldn't trump Medalists from previous years - and you seed top 12.

Its obviously apparent from your breakdown that each weight class has one stacked side and one much much weaker side. Equivalent to putting Roger Federer, Novak Djokovic, Rafel Nadar all on one side of Wimbledon and then Juan Del Potro (with only one other top 10 ranked guy) on the other side of the bracket. It'd never happen - and for good reason (they have leadership that actually uses common sense and logic - except for the whole #1 and #3 seed on one side and #2 & #4 seed on the other, but that's for another )
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 10-19-18, 03:25 PM
jmog jmog is offline
All World
 
Join Date: 05-11-12
Posts: 2,886
jmog is on a distinguished road
Just looking at the first day brackets anyone with 2 brain cells can see that the seeding system is terrible for this year.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 10-19-18, 03:40 PM
Yankeefan33 Yankeefan33 is online now
All World
 
Join Date: 02-23-12
Posts: 2,719
Yankeefan33 is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by BHiatt View Post
Pretty Simple point system. Returning World Champ at same weight gets "x" points. Returning World Champ not same weight gets "x-1" point. And work way down through top 5 placing at world championships.

Can do same process for the previous year as well with decreasing points. Then have 5 (or whatever number) seed point earning tournaments during the year but those points wouldn't trump Medalists from previous years - and you seed top 12.

Its obviously apparent from your breakdown that each weight class has one stacked side and one much much weaker side. Equivalent to putting Roger Federer, Novak Djokovic, Rafel Nadar all on one side of Wimbledon and then Juan Del Potro (with only one other top 10 ranked guy) on the other side of the bracket. It'd never happen - and for good reason (they have leadership that actually uses common sense and logic - except for the whole #1 and #3 seed on one side and #2 & #4 seed on the other, but that's for another )
This is always how it's been though. The top half will always be easier than the bottom half when there are 22 people brackets like at 285. Look at Junior worlds this year- brackets were very unbalanced and there was no seeding.

And medalists from previous years wouldn't solve some of these problems. David Taylor isn't a returning medalist. Neither are most guys at heavyweight. And then you have problems like Sadulaev, who accumulated his rankings points at 92kg all year then moved to 97kg? His compliment, Tsakulov (Russia's 92kg), has never wrestled at a World championship and got his rankings points at 97kg. It's just complicated is all I'm saying and next year should be better.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 10-20-18, 03:21 AM
Yankeefan33 Yankeefan33 is online now
All World
 
Join Date: 02-23-12
Posts: 2,719
Yankeefan33 is on a distinguished road
Good morning everybody (or, if you were foolish like me, you didn't go to sleep)! Wrestling starts in like 10 minutes. I'll be giving updates as I see fit (USA results mostly, sprinkling in other top guys and notable names).

Taylor vs Yazdani on Mat C- Bout #2
Burroughs vs Juah on Mat D- Bout #9
Colon vs TBA on Mat D- Bout #14
Gwiz vs Natsagsuren on Mat A- Bout #16

Dom Abounader (St. Edward/Michigan) is wrestling on Mat D to start against Ville Heino (Campbell University) as well
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 10-20-18, 03:54 AM
Yankeefan33 Yankeefan33 is online now
All World
 
Join Date: 02-23-12
Posts: 2,719
Yankeefan33 is on a distinguished road
THE MAGIC MAN DOES IT. Beats Yazdani Charati 11-6 in a tale of two periods. Was losing 6-1 after the first, outscored Yazdani 10-0 IN THE SECOND. What a great win for David Taylor.

Abounader lost 10-0 to Heino. Word is Burrough's first round opponent didn't show, so may be a while before we see him (probably against the Iranian).
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 10-20-18, 04:18 AM
BHiatt BHiatt is offline
All American
 
Join Date: 09-02-05
Posts: 1,248
BHiatt is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yankeefan33 View Post
THE MAGIC MAN DOES IT. Beats Yazdani Charati 11-6 in a tale of two periods. Was losing 6-1 after the first, outscored Yazdani 10-0 IN THE SECOND. What a great win for David Taylor.

Abounader lost 10-0 to Heino. Word is Burrough's first round opponent didn't show, so may be a while before we see him (probably against the Iranian).
Great way to start the day - even though the live feed SUCKED!! And replay is the same bad feed I saw the first time.

That's good for "old man" JB.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 10-20-18, 04:22 AM
BHiatt BHiatt is offline
All American
 
Join Date: 09-02-05
Posts: 1,248
BHiatt is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yankeefan33 View Post
This is always how it's been though. The top half will always be easier than the bottom half when there are 22 people brackets like at 285. Look at Junior worlds this year- brackets were very unbalanced and there was no seeding.
86KG brackets are balanced in numbers, not in talent. And hearing the Flo guys talk, the "seeding" won't be any better next year because of the so few points returning medalists get.

I'd be good with giving and increasing number of points for guys who win / place multiple years in a row.

Anyway, I hope your faith moving forward is rewarded and my pessimism towards UWW's seeding is proven wrong.
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 10-20-18, 04:35 AM
Yankeefan33 Yankeefan33 is online now
All World
 
Join Date: 02-23-12
Posts: 2,719
Yankeefan33 is on a distinguished road
Taha Akgul (Turkey, 125kg, World #1) just won 9-0- his opponent was actually a couple inches taller than him it seemed, which is impressive since I'm pretty sure Akgul is like 6 foot 4.

Frank Chamizo on Mat A right now as well.

Update- Chamizo wins 9-0. He's still really good and normal guys can't take him down. Burroughs receives a forfeit. David Taylor back up in four matches on mat D. Former Clarion AA Bekzod Abdurakhmonov is on deck on D.

Updates on some USA college guys. Franklin Gomez (Puerto Rico) beat Nester Tafffur (Boston U) 13-2. Bekzod drops a heartbreaker 12-12. Burroughs will wrestle the Iranian.

David Taylor in the hole on D. Colon right after him.

Last edited by Yankeefan33; 10-20-18 at 05:04 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 10-20-18, 05:24 AM
Yankeefan33 Yankeefan33 is online now
All World
 
Join Date: 02-23-12
Posts: 2,719
Yankeefan33 is on a distinguished road
David Taylor wins his 2nd round match 10-0. Three takedowns, a turn, a stepout, and a passivity point- great match for DT. Taylor will wrestle Torreblanca from Cuba in the quarters; they met twice this year, both DT wins, both close matches.

And Joe Colon makes the most of his opportunity here and wins his first round match 9-6. Great job by Colon in the second period. Colon will have Dubov (Bulgaria, World #15) in the quarters.

Last edited by Yankeefan33; 10-20-18 at 05:52 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 10-20-18, 05:53 AM
Yankeefan33 Yankeefan33 is online now
All World
 
Join Date: 02-23-12
Posts: 2,719
Yankeefan33 is on a distinguished road
International names of note:
- Rashidov (Russia, 61kg) shut it down in the 2nd period but still won 2-1. He is the #1 world ranked wrestler
- Bonne Rodriguez (Cuba, 61kg), a personal favorite, won 4-2
- Dhesi (Canada, 125kg, Oregon St.) lost to the Chinese wrestler 4-1
- Taha Akgul (Turkey, 125kg, World #1) won 7-0. Best leg lace in the world, and he's 125kg.
- Petriashvili (Georgia, 125kg, World #2) won 11-1. Showdown between him and Akgul for semis still on track.
Frankie Chamizo (Italy, 74kg, World #2) won 5-1. Will have winner of Sidakov/Burroughs in semis most likely.

Last edited by Yankeefan33; 10-20-18 at 06:33 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 10-20-18, 06:14 AM
Yankeefan33 Yankeefan33 is online now
All World
 
Join Date: 02-23-12
Posts: 2,719
Yankeefan33 is on a distinguished road
Gwiz won 9-4 over the Mongolian wrestler (who he beat for bronze last year). Will have Deng from China in the quarters. Like the way Gwiz got on his attack there. If he does that twice more he is gonna wrestle for gold tomorrow.

Burroughs grinds out a 4-3 win over Hosseinkhani. Gotta be honest, thought he was gonna lose for a minute or two (got a step out with like 15 seconds left). He will have the Russian Sidakov in the quarters.
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 10-20-18, 06:47 AM
CuriousGeorge1 CuriousGeorge1 is offline
All American
 
Join Date: 01-24-08
Posts: 1,659
CuriousGeorge1 is on a distinguished road
Gwiz has an amazing draw. He could hit the finals and not wrestle a world ranked wrestler.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 10-20-18, 07:00 AM
Yankeefan33 Yankeefan33 is online now
All World
 
Join Date: 02-23-12
Posts: 2,719
Yankeefan33 is on a distinguished road
David Taylor picked a good time to wrestle his best. Beats Torreblanca 8-0 and moves onto the semis. He will have the Russian Kurugliev.

Joe Colon just went out and teched Dubov 10-0 in the first period. What a run for Colon; has used a gut wrench in both matches effectively. Most importantly, he will wrestle for a medal tomorrow; whether that's gold or bronze we will find out in a couple hours. He'll have Yowlys Bonne Rodriguez (2017 World bronze).

Welp, there's the first hit. Gwiz loses to Deng of China 5-4 after getting thrown for 4 with about a minute left. He will have to hope Deng wins in the semis today to get pulled back for bronze.

Last edited by Yankeefan33; 10-20-18 at 07:27 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 10-20-18, 07:35 AM
CuriousGeorge1 CuriousGeorge1 is offline
All American
 
Join Date: 01-24-08
Posts: 1,659
CuriousGeorge1 is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yankeefan33 View Post
David Taylor picked a good time to wrestle his best. Beats Torreblanca 8-0 and moves onto the semis. He will have the Russian Kurugliev.

Joe Colon just went out and teched Dubov 10-0 in the first period. What a run for Colon; has used a gut wrench in both matches effectively. Most importantly, he will wrestle for a medal tomorrow; whether that's gold or bronze we will find out in a couple hours. He'll have Yowlys Bonne Rodriguez (2017 World bronze).

Welp, there's the first hit. Gwiz loses to Deng of China 5-4 after getting thrown for 4 with about a minute left. He will have to hope Deng wins in the semis today to get pulled back for bronze.
I jinxed Gwiz badly!
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 10-20-18, 07:36 AM
bdhof bdhof is offline
All World
 
Join Date: 12-11-10
Posts: 4,608
bdhof will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yankeefan33 View Post
David Taylor picked a good time to wrestle his best. Beats Torreblanca 8-0 and moves onto the semis. He will have the Russian Kurugliev.

Joe Colon just went out and teched Dubov 10-0 in the first period. What a run for Colon; has used a gut wrench in both matches effectively. Most importantly, he will wrestle for a medal tomorrow; whether that's gold or bronze we will find out in a couple hours. He'll have Yowlys Bonne Rodriguez (2017 World bronze).

Welp, there's the first hit. Gwiz loses to Deng of China 5-4 after getting thrown for 4 with about a minute left. He will have to hope Deng wins in the semis today to get pulled back for bronze.
Someone can complain all they want about horrible seeding (it is) and bad draws (Taylor and Burroughs), but the bottom line is that they call it the Wolds for a reason. The best in the world are there. You have to beat the best to be the best. Gwiz, who I really like, was handed a silver medal on a silver platter per logic of national rankings, bad seeds and great draw (for him). And he gets throw at the end of the match to lose. Oh well. Hope he gets back in for a second chance.
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 10-20-18, 07:45 AM
Yankeefan33 Yankeefan33 is online now
All World
 
Join Date: 02-23-12
Posts: 2,719
Yankeefan33 is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by CuriousGeorge1 View Post
I jinxed Gwiz badly!
Think we all did! Didn't think he would lose to Deng- guy has just been a name for the last couple years. Now he could be a World silver medalist. And Akgul probably won't medal... wild.
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 10-20-18, 07:58 AM
Yankeefan33 Yankeefan33 is online now
All World
 
Join Date: 02-23-12
Posts: 2,719
Yankeefan33 is on a distinguished road
And Burroughs loses 6-5 (was really 5-5, but a challenge added the extra point). Has to hope Sidakov can beat Chamizo, which he did at Euros this year.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Ohio All-Star Wrestling Team Now Accepting Applications for 2019 & 2020 Teams Ohio TofC Wrestling 3 10-23-18 11:37 AM
2018 Canton McKinley Bulldogs Football Season IUDOGS Football 621 10-22-18 08:03 AM
Prep Hoops Ohio (Rankings) Krasula24 Boys Basketball 3 02-01-18 08:54 AM
Wolverine-Buckeye tournaments - Over 1,000 entries for 2018 already Wolverine-Buckeye TC Baseball 0 12-28-17 11:21 PM
2017-2018 Basketball Schedules Yappi Boys Basketball 60 11-30-17 01:53 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:38 PM.




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Registration Booster - Powered By Dirt RIF CustUmz