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Especially when anyone on this board could run though those holes.....


Hue was dead to me after that one. Crowell or Johnson don't get half the carries they should.
If large running lanes are that prolific than an upgrade at RB would be a huge boost, no?
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Barkley is not like Fournette and Elliott ... those two backs are power backs with speed ... they gain yards when nothing is there ... Barkley is a speed back ... he takes it to the house when given a crease ... he does not make yards out of nothing ... he is more like a faster version of Duke Johnson ... while I think he is one of the top 5 non QBs in the draft ... l am not sure he will have the same effect as Fournette and Elliott ... his best value is on a passing team ... which fits Huey's offense, but may not be the type of offense the Browns should be running.
Fournette is the only power back of the RBs taken in the Top 10 the past few years (Gurley, Fournette, and Zeke). Barkley is the fastest of the bunch, easily, and does not lack power. He's not Marshawn Lynch but he's certainly capable of fighting for extra yards.
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Myles Garrett is the real deal.
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Yawn. After a stellar draft. Maybe and just maybe 2-14 next year. How exciting
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Old 01-01-18, 07:20 PM
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If large running lanes are that prolific than an upgrade at RB would be a huge boost, no?
I was paraphrasing some Hue downplaying of a Crowell game.....

I assume your on Barkley here. I also assume that Hue would squander him similarly to his limited use of Duke Johnson, given Barkley's skill set and tendencies.
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Johnson is a pure pass-catching RB; a 3rd down back. Barkley is a RB who can also catch. You can't compare them.
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Old 01-01-18, 07:21 PM
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Yawn. After a stellar draft. Maybe and just maybe 2-14 next year. How exciting
Great take there.
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Old 01-02-18, 05:59 AM
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Ya hoping its barkley at #1.. Or grab a guy like Nick Chubb in 2nd round and pair him with johnson.. After watching these bowl games hope they stay away from these big name QBs with their #1/#4 picks and just sign 1 of these veteran guys when they become free agents this coming year.. A veteran QB and another good draft... This team could easily be 6-10> better next year.. Their d-line is only gonna get better next year..
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Old 01-02-18, 06:59 AM
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They had two Vet QB's and went with a BAD rookie but still had no one to catch the ball...the owner and brain trust STINK...BAM!
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Old 01-02-18, 07:33 AM
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Fournette is the only power back of the RBs taken in the Top 10 the past few years (Gurley, Fournette, and Zeke). Barkley is the fastest of the bunch, easily, and does not lack power. He's not Marshawn Lynch but he's certainly capable of fighting for extra yards.
Barkley does not run through tackles, not a power back despite his size ... more like Melvin Gordon ... who is good, but not extra-ordinary. Just look at the bowl game ... wow 92 yard run, but a little over 40 yards on his other 17 carries.
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Old 01-02-18, 08:31 AM
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Barkley was Penn State's only legit weapon and his Oline was not that good. That makes him even more impressive.
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Old 01-03-18, 09:15 PM
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Johnson is a pure pass-catching RB; a 3rd down back. Barkley is a RB who can also catch. You can't compare them.
The U's career rushing leader ? No, he's not. An ignoramus has been using him that way, that's all. He's 5'9, 210. He can tote the rock.
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Ya hoping its barkley at #1.. Or grab a guy like Nick Chubb in 2nd round and pair him with johnson.. After watching these bowl games hope they stay away from these big name QBs with their #1/#4 picks and just sign 1 of these veteran guys when they become free agents this coming year.. A veteran QB and another good draft... This team could easily be 6-10> better next year.. Their d-line is only gonna get better next year..
https://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...018-nfl-draft/
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Old 01-03-18, 09:31 PM
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So, if you liked the Dorsey signing before....

http://packerswire.usatoday.com/2018...dorsey-browns/

https://scout.com/nfl/texans/Article...yan--113096674

http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2018/0...emendous-hire/

Adam the Fool turned McClain's comment, "You can be sure that, as Ryan is calling plays, they won't only be Hue's plays. Ryan will put his stamp on the offense.", into, "Ryan is going to throw out Hue's playbook". Adam "the Bull" Gerstenhaber is a hack. He needs to be replaced with Beau Bishop.
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Old 01-03-18, 10:18 PM
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The U's career rushing leader ? No, he's not. An ignoramus has been using him that way, that's all. He's 5'9, 210. He can tote the rock.
In the NFL, yes he is.
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Old 01-04-18, 09:30 AM
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In the NFL, yes he is.
Thanks for confirming
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Old 01-04-18, 09:47 AM
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If the Browns can sign Sean Ryan and a vet FA bridge QB, I'm off of "NFL-ready" Rosen and back to Darnold - as long as he sits.

If they really believe in Josh Allen and are 100% sure they can pick him up later, that's the only way I take a RB as high as Barkley will go.
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Breaking down the Browns’ 2017 NFL Draft class


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Multiple rookies, including Myles Garrett, Jabrill Peppers, David Njoku and DeShone Kizer, played significant roles

The Browns were the youngest team in the NFL and that youth didn’t do them many favors in the franchise's first winless season.

The good news? Cleveland saw a handful of rookies, including Myles Garrett, Jabrill Peppers, David Njoku and DeShone Kizer, grow in the process.

Here’s a further look at the Browns 2017 draft class with the offseason underway.

DE Myles Garrett (Round 1, No. 1): Garrett finished his rookie campaign leading the Browns in sacks (seven) despite playing in just 11 games. The former Texas A&M star missed the first four games of the season with a high-ankle sprain and then another because of a concussion. Even so, Garrett flashed the talent that made him unanimously the best player in the draft and why Cleveland believes he’ll be an impact player for years to come.

DB Jabrill Peppers (Round 1, No. 25): The former Michigan star did just about everything for the Wolverines and came to Cleveland as one of the most versatile players in the draft. The former linebacker/safety/kick returner/running back started 13 games at free safety and finished with 57 tackles. By his own admission, Peppers didn’t have the season he wanted but believes he grew from this year. In Sunday’s season finale against the Steelers, he recorded his first career interception. As a returner, Peppers averaged 6 yards per punt return and 22.7 on kick returns.

TE David Njoku (Round 1, No. 29): Rookie tight ends notoriously struggle, but Njoku managed to be a bright spot, at times, for the Browns offense. The former Miami standout led Cleveland with four touchdown catches and was third in both receiving yards (386) and targets (60). Perhaps Njoku’s best game came against the Chargers in December, when he caught four passes for 74 yards and a touchdown.

QB DeShone Kizer (Round 2, No. 52): No Browns rookie was in the spotlight quite like Kizer. In 15 starts, the 21-year-old showed promise but struggled with turnovers and consistency over that span. Kizer finished with 11 touchdown passes against a league-high 22 interceptions and completed 54 percent of his passes for 2,894 yards. The mobile Kizer also ran for 419 yards and a team-high five touchdowns. In a season of highs and lows, coach Hue Jackson made clear Kizer remains in the mix as the Browns search for a long-term answer at quarterback.

DL Larry Ogunjobi (Round 3, No. 65): Considered a talented but raw player out of Charlotte, Ogunjobi seemingly grew with every passing week. In 14 games (including two starts) he had 32 tackles and a sack as a rotating member on a defensive line that helped Cleveland finish seventh against the run. Ogunjobi might have had his best game against the Packers​ in Week 14, according to Pro Football Focus.

DB Howard Wilson (Round 4, No. 126): Wilson was injured on the first day of rookie minicamp and later placed on reserve/physically unable to perform (PUP) with a fractured knee cap.

OL Rod Johnson (Round 5, No. 160): Johnson was placed on injured reserve in early September after injuring his knee in the team’s preseason finale.

DL Caleb Brantley (Round 6, No. 185): Brantley, who played in 12 games and earned one start, notched his first-career fumble recovery in Sunday’s season finale when fellow rookie Garrett stripped Steelers quarterback Landry Jones. Brantley, a former Florida standout who fell during the draft process, finished the season with 18 tackles and two sacks.

K Zane Gonzalez (Round 7, No. 224): After a bumpy start to the season, Gonzalez made 13 of his final 15 field goals, including a 50-yarder in Sunday’s season finale. The former Lou Groza Award winner finished 15-of-20 with a long of 54 that sent the Browns-TItans game to overtime back in October.

RB Matthew Dayes (Round 7, No. 252 ): Dayes, the second-to-last pick in the draft, was a special teams contributor and found a role as a kick returner midseason. He averaged 24 yards on 18 returns and showed some explosive ability in the process. Dayes returned a 71-yarder against the Vikings in London and opened the Jacksonville game with a 53-yard return.
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Old 01-04-18, 03:13 PM
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2018 QB class coming together with big names entering fray

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Browns hold No. 1, No. 4 pick in 2018 draft

In a 15-minute span Wednesday night, the 2018 quarterback class got deeper and better with the addition of two potential top-10 picks.

UCLA’s Josh Rosen and USC’s Sam Darnold respectively announced their intentions to forgo their college eligibility and enter the draft. They’re two of the latest to join a quarterback crop that is considered, by draft analysts, to be one of the deepest in years. Just a few potential additions to the group remain in limbo as the deadline to declare (Jan. 15) draws near.

The Browns, of course, hold the No. 1 and No. 4 picks along with three second-round selections. Since his arrival as general manager, John Dorsey has talked about the importance of figuring out the quarterback position, a spot that’s been maligned with inconsistency for years in Cleveland. The Browns have not used a pick higher than No. 22 on a quarterback since 1999.
Whether it’s through the draft, free agency or both, the Browns plan to surround DeShone Kizer with competition in 2018. These are the quarterbacks you’ll be hearing about for the next few months as draft season kicks into gear.

***We’ve not included quarterbacks who have yet to declare for the draft.

Sam Darnold - USC (redshirt sophomore)
The scoop: More than 7,000 yards passing, 57 TDs and 22 INTs over two seasons as the Trojans’ starter. The Trojans went 21-6 over that span, winning last year’s Rose Bowl and losing to Ohio State in this year’s Cotton Bowl.

Josh Rosen - UCLA (junior)
The scoop: Threw for 9,341 yards, 59 TDs and 26 INTs over three seasons as the Bruins’ starter. He missed part of his sophomore season with a shoulder injury and did not play in UCLA’s bowl game this year because of a concussion. UCLA’s best record under Rosen came during his freshman year, when it went 8-5.

Baker Mayfield - Oklahoma (senior)
The scoop: Won the Heisman trophy after throwing for 4,627 yards, 43 TDs and 6 INTs while leading the Sooners to the College Football Playoff. The Texas Tech transfer began his career as a walk-on before starting three seasons at Oklahoma, where he threw 119 TDs and just 21 INTs. He’s committed to play at the Senior Bowl later this month.

Josh Allen - Wyoming (junior)
The scoop: The 6-foot-5, 233-pound Allen started two seasons for the Cowboys, compiling 44 TDs and 21 INTs while completing a little better than 56 percent of his passes. A constant threat as a runner, Allen added 716 rushing yards and 12 TDs on the ground.

Mason Rudolph - Oklahoma State (senior)
The scoop: In three seasons as the Cowboys’ starter, Rudolph threw for close to 12,000 yards, 86 TDs and 22 INTs for one of the nation’s most potent offenses. The 6-foot-5, 230-pounder will join Mayfield at the Senior Bowl.

Luke Falk - Washington State (senior)
The scoop: Perhaps the most experienced signal-caller in this year’s draft, Falk finished his career with 14,481 yards, 119 TDs and 39 INTs after leading the Mike Leach-led Cougars to winning seasons as a sophomore, junior and senior. Falk will be at the Senior Bowl.
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Old 01-04-18, 05:32 PM
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If the Browns can sign Sean Ryan and a vet FA bridge QB, I'm off of "NFL-ready" Rosen and back to Darnold - as long as he sits.

If they really believe in Josh Allen and are 100% sure they can pick him up later, that's the only way I take a RB as high as Barkley will go.
Josh Allen completed 56% of his passes this year. He's another Osweiler. Wasted pick and more QB futility. Have to take Darnold or Rosen
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Old 01-04-18, 05:38 PM
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Need to know how many were drops. He also had a shoulder issue, IIRC.
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Old 01-04-18, 06:11 PM
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Allen will probably benefit from Carson Wentz and the idea you can find elite QB's from lower tier schools if they have the physical capabilities. I only watched bits and peices of a couple of his games, so granted a small sample size, but was not impressed.
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To my eyes, Rosen looks like the best prospect. Here's a scouting report I read

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Of the QB prospects, Rosen has the best mechanics and is the most natural pocket passer. He throws a tremendous ball and his tight spiral helps him to get his passes through tight windows and beat good coverage. He has serious arm talent along with field vision and pocket presence. Rosen also works under center, which has been rare to see with college quarterbacks in recent years. However, teams have some concerns about his intangibles.
If all of that is true, not taking him because of random "intangibles" which best I can tell are just being a standard cocky dbag college kid and talking to the media too much, seems a massive mistake.

Now maybe he has much deeper character issues and/or his physical talent isn't what it's made out to be. But the consensus seems somewhat similar to the above quote from most sources.
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Old 01-04-18, 11:20 PM
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Rating QBs is very difficult and not an exact science.

On one hand is a statistical analyses
1) Mayfield ... over 70% for last two years - 130 TDs to 30 INTs (career) ... 175 career rating
2) Darnold ... 65% ... 57-22 TD/INT ... 153 career QB rating
3) Rosen ... 60.8% (Kizer's was 60.7) ...59/26 TD/INT ... 140 passer rating
4) Allen ... 56% ... 44/21 TD/INT ... 138 QB rating

but stats are not a complete fair playing field ... Mayfield throws many more bubbles and Allen throws very few ... in fact he throws the ball down field much more ... if we were going off of stats alone Lamar Jackson might be the pick.

next is physical skills and mechanics
1A) Rosen ... great mechanics and a good arm
1B) Allen ... Great arm talent and size with good mechanics
3) Darnold ... Good arm and size ... some mechanics flaws
4) Mayfield ... short ... good arm

question is why does the guys with the most ability not have the best stats?

third is the intangibles ... if you don't think they matter see Leaf & Manziel
1) Darnold - great competitor and leader (from all reports)
2) Allen - good competitor
3) Mayfield - great competitor, but many question about maturity
4) Rosen - is he Ryan Leaf or Dan Marino both had question coming out of college

Final thoughts
Rosen - Looks the part, great mechanics ... can't figure why his completion percent is lower than what it should be ... I think it is because when he moves around the pocket his accuracy goes down (but I don't have the stats on it) ... and his attitude and competiveness scares me.

Allen - I like his up side ... big strong and competitive ... can make all the throws ... but his stats don't match up ... is it because he played on a poor team where he had to throw a lot of passes away or under duress ... or is it just he is not accurate ... I'm not sure.

Darnold - Might be the safest pick of them all ... good skills and good intangibles ... still not a complete QB ... needs to work on throwing on time, from the pocket, and reading defense ... sometimes stares down his WRs.

Mayfield - Good skill set ... good arm, accurate and a great competitor ... is he the next Drew Brees or Johnny Manziel?
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Ya hoping its barkley at #1.. Or grab a guy like Nick Chubb in 2nd round and pair him with johnson.. After watching these bowl games hope they stay away from these big name QBs with their #1/#4 picks and just sign 1 of these veteran guys when they become free agents this coming year.. A veteran QB and another good draft... This team could easily be 6-10> better next year.. Their d-line is only gonna get better next year..
Maybe a few Receivers and DBS,time for some FAS for sure.
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To my eyes, Rosen looks like the best prospect. Here's a scouting report I read



If all of that is true, not taking him because of random "intangibles" which best I can tell are just being a standard cocky dbag college kid and talking to the media too much, seems a massive mistake.

Now maybe he has much deeper character issues and/or his physical talent isn't what it's made out to be. But the consensus seems somewhat similar to the above quote from most sources.
The shoulder surgery is scary.

Taco question - you always seem to answer such things; Do incoming draftees have an obligation to share medical info equally among teams ? It seems to me that Rosen could exert control over his path by a selective disclosure of recent MRI data, for example, or a refusal to submit to some team's inquiries.

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Allen will probably benefit from Carson Wentz and the idea you can find elite QB's from lower tier schools if they have the physical capabilities. I only watched bits and peices of a couple of his games, so granted a small sample size, but was not impressed.
The most impressive thing to me about college Wentz was his history of effective adjustment at the LoS. It's proven to be a great asset for a quick ascendancy to MVP status. It's also a Rosen strong point.

Wentz was a runt in HS and injured in college, which were probably the greatest contributors to being passed over at both jumps. Allen is a complete project, and was always big. Pretty different guys.
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Rating QBs is very difficult and not an exact science.

On one hand is a statistical analyses
1) Mayfield ... over 70% for last two years - 130 TDs to 30 INTs (career) ... 175 career rating
2) Darnold ... 65% ... 57-22 TD/INT ... 153 career QB rating
3) Rosen ... 60.8% (Kizer's was 60.7) ...59/26 TD/INT ... 140 passer rating
4) Allen ... 56% ... 44/21 TD/INT ... 138 QB rating

but stats are not a complete fair playing field ... Mayfield throws many more bubbles and Allen throws very few ... in fact he throws the ball down field much more ... if we were going off of stats alone Lamar Jackson might be the pick.

next is physical skills and mechanics
1A) Rosen ... great mechanics and a good arm
1B) Allen ... Great arm talent and size with good mechanics
3) Darnold ... Good arm and size ... some mechanics flaws
4) Mayfield ... short ... good arm

question is why does the guys with the most ability not have the best stats?

third is the intangibles ... if you don't think they matter see Leaf & Manziel
1) Darnold - great competitor and leader (from all reports)
2) Allen - good competitor
3) Mayfield - great competitor, but many question about maturity
4) Rosen - is he Ryan Leaf or Dan Marino both had question coming out of college

Final thoughts
Rosen - Looks the part, great mechanics ... can't figure why his completion percent is lower than what it should be ... I think it is because when he moves around the pocket his accuracy goes down (but I don't have the stats on it) ... and his attitude and competiveness scares me.

Allen - I like his up side ... big strong and competitive ... can make all the throws ... but his stats don't match up ... is it because he played on a poor team where he had to throw a lot of passes away or under duress ... or is it just he is not accurate ... I'm not sure.

Darnold - Might be the safest pick of them all ... good skills and good intangibles ... still not a complete QB ... needs to work on throwing on time, from the pocket, and reading defense ... sometimes stares down his WRs.

Mayfield - Good skill set ... good arm, accurate and a great competitor ... is he the next Drew Brees or Johnny Manziel?
A few more thoughts -

Jackson's stats ? You're hung up on Rosen's completion %, yet Jackson is 57% career and never exceeded 59%. He can huck it, but is not accurate.

Any issues with Mayfield and Darnold having awful footwork ?

Colt McCoy just had his completion % record broken by Mayfield. That's fitting, since he's a cocky version of Colt and both played against shaky D a lot of the time. Do you see Colt succeeding in DC if Cousins gets away ?

Brees had pretty good habits right out of Purdue - BM, not so much.
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If the Browns grab Alex Smith or Sam Bradford, draft Barkley and Fitzpatrick in Top 4 then Falk in the 2nd, would that be a bad move?
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