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Old 07-16-18, 12:56 PM
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Old 07-16-18, 01:59 PM
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After falling about 20 games under .500 in May, the Reds are something like 36-25, which is strong. But still, after 96 games, we're 10 below .500 and 10 games out of wild card, with 8 teams ahead of us. So I wouldn't be a buyer at the deadline, no trade targets. Illogical to give up prospects for a rental.

Thus, I logically understand why you target the 2 Mets. They would be under control; not a rental. The simple fact is that the Mets would possibly trade DeGrom, but will certainly not trade Syndergaard. And you've overvalued marginal Reds prospects to try to make the deal work.

Having said that, the Reds 8 position players are really good, a couple bench pieces are decent, and the bullpen is pretty good. The Reds are 2-3 pieces shy of being a really strong team and playoff contender next year.

Unfortunately, those 2-3 pieces are the top 2-3 spots in the rotation. The guys we need for those spots as FA would be too expensive almost certainly. So we just have to stay the course with Castillo, Mahle, Disco, etc and hope they progress. Might be smarter to re-sign Scooter, keep the core positional guys intact, and try to win a bunch of 9-7 games.
I think the Reds should pinpoint some good, but not great top of the rotation guys on some of the not so great teams. Why I say this is because of a guy like Charlie Morton of the Astros. He was an average to below average pitcher for the Pirates for years. Decent ERA, but never won much. Was it because he was just on a bad team? The Reds offensively can carry not great pitchers, but we need at least 6-7 innings, not the 5 we get from most of our starters now. The Astros have rejuvenated Justin Verlander, and made a really good pitcher out of Charlie Morton. Neither of whom I would consider #1 type starters, especially 2 years ago. Can we go find guys like that?
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Old 07-16-18, 03:48 PM
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I think the Reds should pinpoint some good, but not great top of the rotation guys on some of the not so great teams. Why I say this is because of a guy like Charlie Morton of the Astros. He was an average to below average pitcher for the Pirates for years. Decent ERA, but never won much. Was it because he was just on a bad team? The Reds offensively can carry not great pitchers, but we need at least 6-7 innings, not the 5 we get from most of our starters now. The Astros have rejuvenated Justin Verlander, and made a really good pitcher out of Charlie Morton. Neither of whom I would consider #1 type starters, especially 2 years ago. Can we go find guys like that?
If you don't consider Justin Verlander to be a #1 starter, then I can't help you. He is clearly a #1 by just about everyone else's standards, and costs $28M this year. A true ace in every way, and clearly out of the Reds budget. And you ask if "Can we go find guys like that?".

Sure. The All Star game is tomorrow. Get a flight to Washington and sign up Verlander, Scherzer, Sale and a couple others. Easy...
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Old 07-16-18, 03:52 PM
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Charlie Morton, however, is a UFA this off-season, and is making $7M. That's a guy you could talk to. However, he is 34, and probably looking for a lot more $$ after having a career year and a half with Houston...
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I think the Reds should pinpoint some good, but not great top of the rotation guys on some of the not so great teams. Why I say this is because of a guy like Charlie Morton of the Astros. He was an average to below average pitcher for the Pirates for years. Decent ERA, but never won much. Was it because he was just on a bad team? The Reds offensively can carry not great pitchers, but we need at least 6-7 innings, not the 5 we get from most of our starters now. The Astros have rejuvenated Justin Verlander, and made a really good pitcher out of Charlie Morton. Neither of whom I would consider #1 type starters, especially 2 years ago. Can we go find guys like that?
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