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Old 06-24-17, 05:41 PM
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McKinley's Roch Hontas led 1974 team...by far the most talented team that would have won a title (a last second loss to Massillon ended those hopes).
Never forget that game as long as I live. Hontas was a stud that's for sure. My good friend and baseball partner for years, Greg Wood fired a TD to Eddie Bell in the last seconds of the game. Crowd went nuts. The only downer was #1 ranked Ohio State was upset by Michigan State the same day.
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Old 06-26-17, 08:34 PM
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1984 Hoover
1999 Lake
2000 Perry (QB injury doomed them in semis)
2001 Jackson
2002 Massillon
2005 McKinley
2008 Hoover
2015 Central
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Old 06-26-17, 10:38 PM
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Seconding 2000 Perry, can't believe I forgot about them. That whole era was filled with great talent in the big schools. 2017 could be a mini version of one of those years, with D1 commits at McKinley and Jackson and tough squads expected out of Hoover and Perry. Hopefully no week 11 sweep in Region 1 this time.
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Old 06-27-17, 07:52 AM
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Agree with Big Ed. That 69 Perry team was loaded.
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Old 06-27-17, 09:53 AM
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'64 mckinley team.....'77 massillon...'68 and '69 mck....'71 mass
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Old 06-27-17, 01:42 PM
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1984 Alliance

Undefeated in federal league lost to Akron Garfield
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Old 06-27-17, 01:43 PM
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Sorry meant 1983 Alliance undefeated in fed and lost to Akron Harfield in state semis
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Old 06-29-17, 04:38 PM
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2010 Lake.. I truly believe if Lake had a healthy Jimmy Luther they would have won it. 27-7 halftime lead over a uber talented Trotwood-Madison team in the state semis. Talk about a heart breaker.
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Old 06-29-17, 05:57 PM
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IMO, agree w/1985 Canton McK team, I also thought 1983 Massillon team that got edged out of playoffs due to loss at the hands of Charles Gladman-led Akron Garfield deserves mention. 1985 St Thomas Aquinas team was brutally physical and was every bit as good as McKinley.

I did not see the1969 Perry team but trust Big Ed's judgement.
Fitch lost to that same Akron Garfield team to open the season and then won 18 in a row ending with a week 10 loss the following season to Ursuline. Back to back 9-1 seasons, no playoffs. Ahhh, the good old days of 2 teams per region, lol.
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Old 06-30-17, 10:00 PM
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1984 Hoover
1999 Lake
2000 Perry (QB injury doomed them in semis)
2001 Jackson
2002 Massillon
2005 McKinley
2008 Hoover
2015 Central
I'd pick the 1974 McKinley team or the 1982 Massillon team over each of these squads.
The level of talent compared to those teams to those on your list is as different as day and night.
I wish you'd had the pleasure I did in watching those teams play.
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Old 06-30-17, 10:04 PM
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Also, the moment there is a side note as to why a team didn't win a title because of an injury or 'fill in the blank', it discredits the whole theory of the point of this topic.
Great teams don't have excuses but what the teams of the 70's and 80's didn't have was a benefit of an expanded playoff format.
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Old 06-30-17, 10:48 PM
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Dave, how do you compare the 74 McK team with the 85 team? 74 was just before my time but heard my dad talk a lot about Hontas.
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Old 07-01-17, 06:02 AM
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1982 Massillon-Beat Sharon(PA) by three TD's, it was their only loss on the season. Beat Akron Garfield who a year later would advance to the state championship game. Beat McKinley in a hell of a game, 7-0. Routed Warren Harding by 30. Demolished Sandusky(29-7) and Berea(31-0) in the playoffs.

I don't know off hand who all played college ball off that team but I'm sure there were many. Spielman(Ohio State) and DeWitz(Indiana) I remember....Calhoun and Beadle were all-state lineman.

Team was loaded.
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Old 07-01-17, 06:54 AM
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82 Massillon was really good.
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Old 07-01-17, 01:59 PM
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1982 Massillon-Beat Sharon(PA) by three TD's, it was their only loss on the season. Beat Akron Garfield who a year later would advance to the state championship game. Beat McKinley in a hell of a game, 7-0. Routed Warren Harding by 30. Demolished Sandusky(29-7) and Berea(31-0) in the playoffs.

I don't know off hand who all played college ball off that team but I'm sure there were many. Spielman(Ohio State) and DeWitz(Indiana) I remember....Calhoun and Beadle were all-state lineman.

Team was loaded.
You might be missing a running back, either Craig Johnson who played at Michigan State or Jim Bushe who went on to play at Air Force. They also had a DE who went to Toledo (Gruno) and Gareon Conley's Dad, Gary Conley at WR.
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Old 07-01-17, 03:44 PM
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89 Massillon team was very good just ran into the Catholic juggernaut.

Only loses.
Moeller- played for D-1 title
Iggy- Won D-1 title. Beat Massillon in state Semi.
St. Joe's- won D-2 title.

Didn't have a bunch of D-1 kids but played as team and a ton of heart.
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Old 07-01-17, 04:20 PM
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89 Massillon team was very good just ran into the Catholic juggernaut.

Only loses.
Moeller- played for D-1 title
Iggy- Won D-1 title. Beat Massillon in state Semi.
St. Joe's- won D-2 title.

Didn't have a bunch of D-1 kids but played as team and a ton of heart.
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Old 07-01-17, 04:42 PM
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Dave, how do you compare the 74 McK team with the 85 team? 74 was just before my time but heard my dad talk a lot about Hontas.
This team had a poise and finesse to them that mirrored the 1997 McKinley team, they just ability and above average talent. Except for one or two games this was a chapter in McKinley football history that would have played out differently had the playoffs were expanded by two teams and not taking just one.




1973 (8-2-0) John Brideweser
All-American Conference Champions, #7 AP Poll
W______ 20 - 7 ______ Middleburg Heights Midpark
L______ 8 - 22 ______ at Akron Garfield
W______ 43 - 8 ______ Columbus Linden McKinley
W______ 44 - 6 ______ at Alliance *
W______ 47 - 14 ______ Canton Lincoln
W______ 40 - 0 ______ Niles McKinley *
W______ 60 - 6 ______ Dayton Roth
W______ 56 - 0 ______ at Steubenville *
L______ 7 - 19 ______ at Warren Harding *
W______ 21 - 0 ______ Massillon Washington*
___________________________________

1974 (9-1-0) John Brideweser
All-American Conference Champions, #4 AP Poll
W______ 43 - 0 ______ Middleburg Heights Midpark
W______ 37 - 0 ______ Akron Garfield
W______ 50 - 0 ______ Columbus Linden McKinley
W______ 73 - 0 ______ Alliance *
W______ 58 - 0 ______ Dayton Fairview
W______ 13 - 6 ______ at Niles McKinley *
W______ 53 - 0 ______ Dayton Roth
W______ 35 - 0 ______ Steubenville *
W______ 19 - 6 ______ Warren Harding *
L______ 15 - 20 ______ at Massillon Washington*
___________________________________

1975 (9-1-0) John Brideweser
All-American Conference Champions, #5 AP Poll
L______ 8 - 22 ______ Youngstown Cardinal Mooney
W______ 27 - 6 ______ at Akron Garfield
W______ 30 - 0 ______ Willoughby Eastlake North
W______ 35 - 6 ______ at Alliance *
W______ 50 - 12 ______ Dayton Fairview
W______ 17 - 14 ______ Niles McKinley *
W______ 12 - 7 ______ Canton Timken
W______ 35 - 12 ______ at Steubenville *
W______ 12 - 7 ______ at Warren Harding *
W______ 21 - 15 ______ Massillon Washington*
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Old 07-01-17, 06:39 PM
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Cool THAT was crazy. Egret....

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Never forget that game as long as I live. Hontas was a stud that's for sure. My good friend and baseball partner for years, Greg Wood fired a TD to Eddie Bell in the last seconds of the game. Crowd went nuts. The only downer was #1 ranked Ohio State was upset by Michigan State the same day.
I remember switching back and forth between both games. Woody went for it on the goal line and didn't get in. Bozeka was talking about the McKinley win and ....well. You know. Crazy day.
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Old 07-03-17, 05:04 PM
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Class AA in 1969 and 1970 Lake Blue Streaks....1968 8 and 2, won last 7 games and then 1969 10-0 and 1970 10-0...27 win streak...there is a state title in one of those seasons
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Old 07-03-17, 10:57 PM
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Didn't realize the 74 Bulldogs had only given up 12 points through 9 weeks.
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Old 07-05-17, 09:39 AM
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A couple of teams..... 2007 Louisville is one.... They outplayed Anderson in 2007 in the state title game, going down 21-0 was just too much.... Never could make that up, that was a damn good team though...

2005 McKinley beat a 9-0 Massillon 38-8 in week 10... They were the best team in Ohio that season... Massillon peaked at the right time in the postsason...

And lastly---- 1974 McKinley is a no brainer.... Hontas was a great QB, better guy. Bell got behind the coverage and Chuck Shuff saved his job....
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Old 07-05-17, 03:48 PM
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I'd pick the 1974 McKinley team or the 1982 Massillon team over each of these squads.
The level of talent compared to those teams to those on your list is as different as day and night.
I wish you'd had the pleasure I did in watching those teams play.
I have the pleasure of knowing 84 and 08 Hoover beat McKinley
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Old 07-06-17, 05:35 AM
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I'd pick the 1974 McKinley team or the 1982 Massillon team over each of these squads.
The level of talent compared to those teams to those on your list is as different as day and night.
I wish you'd had the pleasure I did in watching those teams play.
Sure, but couldn't we go back to the 50s and start picking out Massillon or McKinley squads that would annihilate any team from the playoff era? Or those teams a hundred years ago that had guys in their 20s playing? The 1999 Lake Blue Streaks didn't have the option to schedule the 1974 McKinley Bulldogs.

Some other Fed teams that may not have been deserving of a title, but were pretty good and had their playoff lives cut short:

1990 Jackson - could have been 10-0 but lost a fluky game to Wooster. Lost by a touchdown to Massillon in the first round after the refs spotted the Tigers a free score.

2002 Perry - almost did in a very good Massillon squad, taking the lead with a minute or two left if I recall correctly before giving up a last second field goal? Was this Wakefield's last season?

2003 Hoover - basically gave up next to no points in the regular season. Went 10-0 for the first time in ages, breaking their curse. Lost to Wadsworth in the second round of the playoffs in a come-from-behind game that Hoover had in the bag.

2004 Lake - lost in the regional final to eventual undefeated state champion Columbus Brookhaven. Beat D1 state runner-up McKinley.

2004 GlenOak - The Hartline-to-Hartline connection. Couldn't get past McKinley, losing by 10 pts each time.

2006 McKinley - Lost by a score to Mentor in the state semi-finals.
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Old 07-06-17, 06:20 AM
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One more since I'm biased for the home team:

1998 Jackson - The Bears lost to state champion McKinley in the first round by 4 points. McKinley would go on to beat Marion Harding and St. Ignatius by 7 each, and wallop St. Xavier by 23 in the final.
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2010 Lake.. I truly believe if Lake had a healthy Jimmy Luther they would have won it. 27-7 halftime lead over a uber talented Trotwood-Madison team in the state semis. Talk about a heart breaker.
Yes, yes, yes. I seem to have over looked this team. In my opinion this may be the best Lake team of the modern era. They had size and more talent than 1999 and 1991. This team could score at any moment even with a 50% Luther.
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Old 07-07-17, 02:26 AM
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Never forget that game as long as I live. Hontas was a stud that's for sure. My good friend and baseball partner for years, Greg Wood fired a TD to Eddie Bell in the last seconds of the game. Crowd went nuts. The only downer was #1 ranked Ohio State was upset by Michigan State the same day.
It's a story needs to be told over and over.
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Old 07-08-17, 12:34 PM
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Yes, yes, yes. I seem to have over looked this team. In my opinion this may be the best Lake team of the modern era. They had size and more talent than 1999 and 1991. This team could score at any moment even with a 50% Luther.
That team truly had it all! Size, speed, talent. I agree as well, even with a one-kneed Jimmy Luther that teams offense was still electric. And even the defense could score!
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That team truly had it all! Size, speed, talent. I agree as well, even with a one-kneed Jimmy Luther that teams offense was still electric. And even the defense could score!
As good as the 2010 team was and as fast as they were...they would have been beaten by the 1991 team, the 1999 team, and the 2004 team. The 2004 team if John Rutan would not have been hurt could have won the state title if they would have beaten Columbus Brookhaven...but that would have been a tall order...Dominic Jones was one of the top high school football players I have seen and we couldn't stop him. The 1999 team would have beaten every Lake team except the 1991 team but it would have been an amazing game. The 1999 team only gave up 83 points in the regular season and 35 in 4 playoff games. Defensively the 1999 team ranks up there with 1988 ( gave up 31 points in the regular season) and 1991 (gave up 60 points in the regular season teams) as Jeff Durbin's best defenses. The 2010 team was very good offensively...but the 1988, 1991, 1999, and the 2004 team were just so good on defense that very few teams could move the ball.
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