Predicted Swoc standings for 2017?

[hoser]

Originally Posted by Latman

Some previews:
Harrison http://tristatefootball.com/2017/06/...shot-harrison/
Little Miami http://tristatefootball.com/2017/05/15706/
Ross http://tristatefootball.com/2017/05/2017-snapshot-ross/
Northwest http://tristatefootball.com/2017/03/...eek-northwest/

Uh all pretty much spot on.

[AllStateKnight]

I personally think that if Little Miami "improves" it won't be legit. Looking at their schedule the team's that you think they will beat were all horrible team's last year. Ross 2-8, Richmond heights was 0-10 last year. Western Brown 3-7. Then they schedule D7 Troy Christian(they'll lose this game). You're supposed to be a D2 team! And I'll give them Talawanda.

I think they'll go 4-6 overall.

[hoser]

Originally Posted by AllStateKnight

I personally think that if Little Miami "improves" it won't be legit. Looking at their schedule the team's that you think they will beat were all horrible team's last year. Ross 2-8, Richmond heights was 0-10 last year. Western Brown 3-7. Then they schedule D7 Troy Christian(they'll lose this game). You're supposed to be a D2 team! And I'll give them Talawanda.

I think they'll go 4-6 overall.

Uh, that could happen, but the Patten kid is really fast and big plays can turn a game.

[hoser]

Originally Posted by SWOFootball1

I've seen rumors on here that WW is trying to get into the SWOC. Is that really an option AD's are considering??

Uh, if the SWOC lets Winton Woods in this league , it will be the end of this league. Woods goes out and recruits the kids they need at every position. There is a reason the ECC left out Woods, and it had nothing to do with race.

[Pull-to-Trap]

Originally Posted by hoser

Uh all pretty much spot on.

They missed the mark a bit on Edgewood today. Some things have changed and the information seems a little old. i.e. QB situation and predictions for some players who are MIA right now.

Like I predicted earlier this year. The boys are going to look big and bad, 6-1 to 6-2 all across the front, 6-3 TE's and OLB's. 6-3 at one corner 6-0 at the other.......and how about Garrett lighting it up at WR. I predict he makes the Edge loyal forget about Driskell in three games.

When the coaching staff pulls these guys together as a team....look out!

[hoser]

Originally Posted by Pull-to-Trap

They missed the mark a bit on Edgewood today. Some things have changed and the information seems a little old. i.e. QB situation and predictions for some players who are MIA right now.

Like I predicted earlier this year. The boys are going to look big and bad, 6-1 to 6-2 all across the front, 6-3 TE's and OLB's. 6-3 at one corner 6-0 at the other.......and how about Garrett lighting it up at WR. I predict he makes the Edge loyal forget about Driskell in three games.

When the coaching staff pulls these guys together as a team....look out!

Uh, this might be the tallest overall team in the history of the school. Don't know how good they will be but they are certainly very tall.Shane Garrett has looked very good in the fake football 7 on 7, we have to see when the real games get here. He certainly is a gifted athlete who needs to stay healthy. QB is still the make or break position for this team. Noble and Whiles in the def backfield along with Scott are all seasoned veterans with good speed and size. A lot of these kids have waited years to get their chance, now is the time to go out and show what you got on the field, one play at a time.

[Pull-to-Trap]

Originally Posted by hoser

Uh, this might be the tallest overall team in the history of the school. Don't know how good they will be but they are certainly very tall.Shane Garrett has looked very good in the fake football 7 on 7, we have to see when the real games get here. He certainly is a gifted athlete who needs to stay healthy. QB is still the make or break position for this team. Noble and Whiles in the def backfield along with Scott are all seasoned veterans with good speed and size. A lot of these kids have waited years to get their chance, now is the time to go out and show what you got on the field, one play at a time.

I'm thinking the corners are Boyd and Richmond. Is Noble planning on returning before September?

[hoser]

Originally Posted by Pull-to-Trap

I'm thinking the corners are Boyd and Richmond. Is Noble planning on returning before September?

Uh don't know for sure. Boyd and Richmond certainly have the speed to play corner. It will interesting how it plays out. I think this o-line will surprise a lot of people. All new starters but all these kids know who to block and they went out and did it as JV and freshmen players. UH we just have to be able to throw enough to keep people honest.

[Pull-to-Trap]

Originally Posted by hoser

Uh don't know for sure. Boyd and Richmond certainly have the speed to play corner. It will interesting how it plays out. I think this o-line will surprise a lot of people. All new starters but all these kids know who to block and they went out and did it as JV and freshmen players. UH we just have to be able to throw enough to keep people honest.

I agree, tall, fast and strong. Refining not learning their positions.

[hoser]

Originally Posted by Pull-to-Trap

I agree, tall, fast and strong. Refining not learning their positions.

Uh keep an eye on Weaver and Phipps. Two nasty o-linemen who come off the ball and knock people down. Big strong kids who can run.

[PeterDragon]

Originally Posted by AllStateKnight

I personally think that if Little Miami "improves" it won't be legit. Looking at their schedule the team's that you think they will beat were all horrible team's last year. Ross 2-8, Richmond heights was 0-10 last year. Western Brown 3-7. Then they schedule D7 Troy Christian(they'll lose this game). You're supposed to be a D2 team! And I'll give them Talawanda.

I think they'll go 4-6 overall.

You forgot they scheduled West Carrollton too. One of the worst programs in the state. The OOC schedule is a joke.

[LM Panthers]

Originally Posted by PeterDragon

You forgot they scheduled West Carrollton too. One of the worst programs in the state. The OOC schedule is a joke.

Yes, if we do have a winning record, I do agree that is because of the schedule. Like I said before we have to start winning games so better teams want to schedule us. Yes, our OOC is a joke, what the heck do people expect us to do schedule Franklin and Desales like Edgewood. What good D2, D3 or D4 team wants to schedule a team that will give them no secondary points.

[Pull-to-Trap]

Originally Posted by LM Panthers

Yes, if we do have a winning record, I do agree that is because of the schedule. Like I said before we have to start winning games so better teams want to schedule us. Yes, our OOC is a joke, what the heck do people expect us to do schedule Franklin and Desales like Edgewood. What good D2, D3 or D4 team wants to schedule a team that will give them no secondary points.

True, plus the team needs to win to change its habits, culture and expectations. Just getting some wins will be good for the program.

[OUcats82]

Originally Posted by Pull-to-Trap

True, plus the team needs to win to change its habits, culture and expectations. Just getting some wins will be good for the program.

+1.....when you have a bad culture of losing you have to find wins any way you can to rebuild the program. Self confidence is very important in teenagers and as strong as it is at places like Edgewood where winning is the norm and perhaps expectation, it is tough to build that at a place like Little Miami where it's probably the opposite mindset in most players.

I always come back to the approach Bill Snyder took when rebuilding Kansas State. Sure, they played the dregs of college football in the non conference slate but overtime as they mounted wins that gave them the edge and mindset they needed to compete against Oklahoma, Texas etc. and separate themselves from Kansas, Iowa State etc. into a solid program that has won a few conference championships, goes to (albeit second tier mainly) bowl games with regularity etc.

Not apples to apples, but it can be an effective strategy and I don't fault Little Miami for taking that approach. They may be D2, but there are programs in every division below them that could at least beat and likely defeat them soundly.

[LM Panthers]

Originally Posted by OUcats82

+1.....when you have a bad culture of losing you have to find wins any way you can to rebuild the program. Self confidence is very important in teenagers and as strong as it is at places like Edgewood where winning is the norm and perhaps expectation, it is tough to build that at a place like Little Miami where it's probably the opposite mindset in most players.

I always come back to the approach Bill Snyder took when rebuilding Kansas State. Sure, they played the dregs of college football in the non conference slate but overtime as they mounted wins that gave them the edge and mindset they needed to compete against Oklahoma, Texas etc. and separate themselves from Kansas, Iowa State etc. into a solid program that has won a few conference championships, goes to (albeit second tier mainly) bowl games with regularity etc.

Not apples to apples, but it can be an effective strategy and I don't fault Little Miami for taking that approach. They may be D2, but there are programs in every division below them that could at least beat and likely defeat them soundly.

I've always said winning breeds winning. It brings more kids to you youth football program. Heck before last year half the people left after halftime. I do agree with the statement of alot of programs in other divisions can beat us. That's why I say we can't sleep on anyone, even Troy Christian who has been a decent D7 team.

The effort is night and day different from the Hubbard era. I know youth football success doesn't equal high school success but we have some decent classes coming up starting with this years 7th grade on down to 4th grade. Plus the big key is, we now have what I believe is a very good coach from what I've seen so far. Man I can't wait, I know its crazy but are youth football program has games this Saturday already. Let the fun begin.

[PeterDragon]

I never understood why the youth programs start before HS teams and finish after, sometimes into November.

[hoser]

Originally Posted by LM Panthers

I've always said winning breeds winning. It brings more kids to you youth football program. Heck before last year half the people left after halftime. I do agree with the statement of alot of programs in other divisions can beat us. That's why I say we can't sleep on anyone, even Troy Christian who has been a decent D7 team.

The effort is night and day different from the Hubbard era. I know youth football success doesn't equal high school success but we have some decent classes coming up starting with this years 7th grade on down to 4th grade. Plus the big key is, we now have what I believe is a very good coach from what I've seen so far. Man I can't wait, I know its crazy but are youth football program has games this Saturday already. Let the fun begin.

Uh I still say the problem with Little Miami football, goes back a few years ago failure to pass a levy many times. Super high pay to play ran kids off left and right. Numbers went down good kids went to Kings or Lebanon or one of the many private schools in the area. Little Miami has an excellent band, by far the best in the SWOC, aint even close. Little Miami football will be back, just a matter of time.

[PeterDragon]

4-6 or a possible 5 win season isn't out of the question. In all honesty LM should've started scheduling down a few years back. I would like to see them knock off a Harrison or Northwest for some sort of signature win. The defense must improve for them to compete in the league.

[hoser]

Originally Posted by PeterDragon

4-6 or a possible 5 win season isn't out of the question. In all honesty LM should've started scheduling down a few years back. I would like to see them knock off a Harrison or Northwest for some sort of signature win. The defense must improve for them to compete in the league.

Uh, I see 6-4 for little Miami this season.

[LM Panthers]

Originally Posted by hoser

Uh I still say the problem with Little Miami football, goes back a few years ago failure to pass a levy many times. Super high pay to play ran kids off left and right. Numbers went down good kids went to Kings or Lebanon or one of the many private schools in the area. Little Miami has an excellent band, by far the best in the SWOC, aint even close. Little Miami football will be back, just a matter of time.

Very true, I've been told that we don't really have much of a athletic budget. I also wish Moeller wasn't so close to our district. I've only lived in the school district since 04 but everyone says we've always have good youth programs but when they get to JR high and high school everything goes down hill. I don't know if that was the coaching or those youth teams played only the best players and didn't develope anyone else.

That's why I'm excited to have a new coach.

[LM Panthers]

Originally Posted by PeterDragon

4-6 or a possible 5 win season isn't out of the question. In all honesty LM should've started scheduling down a few years back. I would like to see them knock off a Harrison or Northwest for some sort of signature win. The defense must improve for them to compete in the league.

Yes, defense is the big key. We put up points but couldn't stop anyone good. On your other comment it is crazy, the youth football schedule. We could play 20 games if we really wanted to. My son's coach tries to limit us to one game a week. Alot of are youth teams play 3 games in a weekend in the first few weeks, which I think is crazy.

[marvinlewis08]

People are idiots....you cant rip LM for not winning then turn around and rip them for playing teams they have a chance to WIN. I actually think this is a great move by the program. Get your feet under you, establish a culture of winning then schedule up when the personnel dictates.

[PeterDragon]

I would eventually like to see LM schedule programs like Kings and Goshen again. Those were always great rivalry games to watch while growing up.

[hoser]

Originally Posted by PeterDragon

I would eventually like to see LM schedule programs like Kings and Goshen again. Those were always great rivalry games to watch while growing up.

Uh , Kings is one of the best D2 programs in SW Ohio. Uh, Goshen not so much. Kings has Lebanon, Lakota East, and Cov Cath, this season, probably the most severe OOC in the ECC.

[PeterDragon]

Originally Posted by hoser

Uh , Kings is one of the best D2 programs in SW Ohio. Uh, Goshen not so much. Kings has Lebanon, Lakota East, and Cov Cath, this season, probably the most severe OOC in the ECC.

I'm well aware of the pedigrees of both Kings and Goshen. As a fan I want to see LM play as many of the old FAVC schools as possible if Mahon gets the program on track. I'd like to see Wilmington back on the schedule eventually.

[hoser]

Originally Posted by PeterDragon

I'm well aware of the pedigrees of both Kings and Goshen. As a fan I want to see LM play as many of the old FAVC schools as possible if Mahon gets the program on track. I'd like to see Wilmington back on the schedule eventually.

Uh Wilmington bailed on the SWOC because they got their azzes handed to them in football.

[ptpattenpackerfan]

I believe that some are not taking into consideration that the current LM Sr. class won/or tied for the JR. High title in the SWOC in their 7th & 8th grade years - that included beating Edgewood one year and narrowly losing the next 16-7. I believe LM may surprise a few people.

[PeterDragon]

Jr high results go out the door the day you start high school. I've seen several classes at LM win titles in Jr high and go 2-8 or 3-7 there Senior season. I do agree with you the Panthers will surprise some people.

[Pull-to-Trap]

Originally Posted by ptpattenpackerfan

I believe that some are not taking into consideration that the current LM Sr. class won/or tied for the JR. High title in the SWOC in their 7th & 8th grade years - that included beating Edgewood one year and narrowly losing the next 16-7. I believe LM may surprise a few people.

The Edgewood junior class was 12-1 in the 6th grade, 1-8 in he 7th, and I believe undefeated in the 8th and lost 1 as freshman and JV. Sooooo, go figure, same kids, different coaching, different results.

Previous performance, especially JH means little and only has meaning if the team has stayed cohesive, and the system has been consistent. AND, this only has meaning as defined by player comfort in their individual understanding and role in their position, overall trust in each others role and performance in the system etc...

Example, the current Edgewood junior LG and FB have been running trap right together for many years. Their timing is excellent and it works well....IF, the RT doesn't block the trap guy and the center doesn't get blown up and in the way.

The theory is great but the variables impact the result each time.

[sappercpt]

Originally Posted by hoser

Uh , Kings is one of the best D2 programs in SW Ohio. Uh, Goshen not so much. Kings has Lebanon, Lakota East, and Cov Cath, this season, probably the most severe OOC in the ECC.

West Clermont's is not too shabby with Princeton, Winton Woods, and Lasalle