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Old 10-13-18, 09:09 PM
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The position of the ball is the only thing that matters. If the ball doesn't cross, it is not a touchback.
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Old 10-14-18, 08:16 AM
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EC punted, ball rolling toward goaline, player from ec gets infront of the punt and with his heals clearly on and s;aighly over the width of the goal line downs the ball at the one. Ball was given to bay at their one/

Thought if any part of a [layers is touchint the front edge of the goaline they are in the endzone and ball to 20 ??

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The position of the ball is the only thing that matters. If the ball doesn't cross, it is not a touchback.
Had a couple of PM's questioning this, so to clarify.....

The ball only has to break the front plane of the goal line.

In the context of what was being discussed people tend to use terminology that means one thing but can be construed as another. ("cross" versus breaks the plane)

In the end, bb9's ruling was spot on.
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Old 10-14-18, 12:12 PM
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Team A punts from their 35 yard line, ball hits and starts rolling. Player 1 of team A hits a player 2 from team B in back 25 yards or so behind the ball, as ball is still rolling. Ball then is downed. What is the call?
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Old 10-14-18, 12:37 PM
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Team A punts from their 35 yard line, ball hits and starts rolling. Player 1 of team A hits a player 2 from team B in back 25 yards or so behind the ball, as ball is still rolling. Ball then is downed. What is the call?
A1 has committed a personal foul for illegal personal contact against a player who is obviously out of the play. The penalty will be enforced from the end of the kick.
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Old 10-14-18, 12:42 PM
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A1 has committed a personal foul for illegal personal contact against a player who is obviously out of the play. The penalty will be enforced from the end of the kick.
What could cause a rekick?
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Old 10-14-18, 12:56 PM
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What could cause a rekick?
I read the play wrong.. (used to using "K" and "R")
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Old 10-14-18, 01:07 PM
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I read the play wrong.. (used to using "K" and "R")
Sorry, donít understand what that means? At the game I was at, the official told our coach it was a live ball penalty so not added onto end of kick, but had to rekick.
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Old 10-14-18, 01:23 PM
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What could cause a rekick?
Well, I read the original play incorrectly... (Used to using K and R on kicks)

In this play you have a foul by k during a scrimmage kick. R has the option of...

- declining the penalty and taking the ball at the dead ball spot (not happening)
- enforcing the 15 yard penalty from the previous spot and replaying the down.
- enforcing the 15 yard penalty from the dead ball spot (end of kick) and starting a new series 1st and 10

A new rule added this year gives the receiving team the option to add the 15 yds from the end of the down. that change was made in order to help discourage re-kicks.
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Old 10-14-18, 01:26 PM
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Old 10-14-18, 01:26 PM
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Sorry, donít understand what that means?
As officials, we use "A" and "B" to differentiate Offense and Defense and "K" and "R" to differentiate the Kicking and Receiving teams.
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Old 10-15-18, 11:22 AM
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Onside kick

Onside kick attempt. Ball bounces over front line of receiving team. Kicking team player catches ball in air, runs into endzone. Touchdown or ball down at spot of catch?
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Old 10-15-18, 11:43 AM
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The ball becomes dead as soon as the kicking team recovers.
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Old 10-15-18, 12:30 PM
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If the ball is driven into the ground and only takes one bounce, this is a pop-up kick which was made illegal last year and the ball is immediately dead.
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Old 10-15-18, 01:51 PM
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If the ball is driven into the ground and only takes one bounce, this is a pop-up kick which was made illegal last year and the ball is immediately dead.
I missed one of those this year
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Old 10-16-18, 01:11 AM
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If the ball is driven into the ground and only takes one bounce, this is a pop-up kick which was made illegal last year and the ball is immediately dead.
Possession to receiving team? At what spot?
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Old 10-16-18, 06:11 AM
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Kicking infraction, ball blown dead immediately, 5 yard penalty, re-kick
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Old 10-18-18, 10:01 PM
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Near the end of a game, a player gets an unsportsmanlike penalty for head butting an opponent. Not sure if the head butt landed or not but the player was sent to the sideline by the official.

Does this mean the player was ejected from the game or is there some discretion for the official to send a player out the rest of the game without officially being an ejection?
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Old 10-19-18, 07:10 AM
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Near the end of a game, a player gets an unsportsmanlike penalty for head butting an opponent. Not sure if the head butt landed or not but the player was sent to the sideline by the official.

Does this mean the player was ejected from the game or is there some discretion for the official to send a player out the rest of the game without officially being an ejection?


If there was contact made it is a Personal Foul not Unsportsmanlike. Officials do have discretion to send a player out for a period of time and it is up to the coach as to when he re enters the game.


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Old 10-19-18, 10:38 AM
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Near the end of a game, a player gets an unsportsmanlike penalty for head butting an opponent. Not sure if the head butt landed or not but the player was sent to the sideline by the official.

Does this mean the player was ejected from the game or is there some discretion for the official to send a player out the rest of the game without officially being an ejection?

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If there was contact made it is a Personal Foul not Unsportsmanlike. Officials do have discretion to send a player out for a period of time and it is up to the coach as to when he re enters the game.
and to clarify....

The sending of a player to the sidelines is not something done in lieu penalizing the player for committing an illegal act. It is to be used when his/her actions reach a point that do not quite reach the point of it being a foul, but so close that a bit of bench time may help curb the behavior. The coach is notified of said behavior and may return the player at any point where he thinks the player is ready to participate within the rules. Once he/she returns there is no more sending off of that player and he/she is on the radar of the officials.

Headbutting an opponent or attempting to headbutt (didn't land) does not qualify as a matter where a player gets sent off. That act or attempted act needs to be penalized.
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Old 10-19-18, 11:53 AM
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Headbutting an opponent or attempting to headbutt (didn't land) does not qualify as a matter where a player gets sent off. That act or attempted act needs to be penalized.
There was a 15 yard penalty. The official from the middle of the field threw a flag and sent the player to the sideline. It was unclear whether the player was ejected or just removed for a couple plays because it was near the end of the game. He never entered the game again for the last 5 plays.
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Old 10-19-18, 02:15 PM
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Can a player make a block moving back towards the ball carrier? Ill give 2 examples because they are fairly different and may be ruled differently.

RB is running and is making many cuts and running more parallel than forward. A lineman had been blocking and running with the play gets out in front. With no one in front, he turns and runs back towards the LOS and the ball carrier and hits a defender chasing the play. If he hit him more from the side would that be a blindside block if he doesn't use open hands? If they were running head on at each other would it be legal? Or can you not block moving back towards the LOS or ball carrier?

Scenario 2 would be similar. QB scrambles, lineman turns and runs away from the LOS but towards the QB coming at him and blocks a defender chasing the QB. Same issues as above. Is it legal with open hands or head on or is it considered an illegal crack block.

There have been so many rule changes at so many levels it is hard to keep track of how players may hit or block now.
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Old 10-19-18, 03:06 PM
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There was a 15 yard penalty. The official from the middle of the field threw a flag and sent the player to the sideline. It was unclear whether the player was ejected or just removed for a couple plays because it was near the end of the game. He never entered the game again for the last 5 plays.
I would hope that an ejection accompanied the headbutt......

It would if detected in a game I worked.
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Old 10-19-18, 03:22 PM
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Can a player make a block moving back towards the ball carrier? Ill give 2 examples because they are fairly different and may be ruled differently.

RB is running and is making many cuts and running more parallel than forward. A lineman had been blocking and running with the play gets out in front. With no one in front, he turns and runs back towards the LOS and the ball carrier and hits a defender chasing the play. If he hit him more from the side would that be a blindside block if he doesn't use open hands? If they were running head on at each other would it be legal? Or can you not block moving back towards the LOS or ball carrier?

Scenario 2 would be similar. QB scrambles, lineman turns and runs away from the LOS but towards the QB coming at him and blocks a defender chasing the QB. Same issues as above. Is it legal with open hands or head on or is it considered an illegal crack block.

There have been so many rule changes at so many levels it is hard to keep track of how players may hit or block now.
Like many other situations, this is a "had to be there" call.....

That said, here's what the rule says......

- A blindside block is a block against an opponent other than the runner, who does not see the blocker approaching.

- Unless initiated with open hands, it is a foul for excessive and unnecessary contact when the block is forceful and outside of the free-blocking zone.

The purpose of the rule is to eliminate contact by a blocker against an opponent who, because of physical positioning and focus of concentration, is vulnerable to injury.
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Old 10-19-18, 03:26 PM
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I would hope that an ejection accompanied the headbutt......

It would if detected in a game I worked.
Not sure if there was an ejection. Player was removed from the game by the official. Fans of the other team are saying that he wasn't officially ejected.
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Old 10-19-18, 03:50 PM
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Not sure if there was an ejection. Player was removed from the game by the official. Fans of the other team are saying that he wasn't officially ejected.
If he plays tonight that answers the question.
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Old 10-19-18, 03:52 PM
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I was wondering if HS adopted a rule where you can make a block while going back to the ball. I was fairly certain the NFL had it, called it the Hines Ward rule.

As I and many others keep bringing up, why they add rules with a grey area that can be inconsistently is frustrating. Seems the only safe way to coach is have your kids not go for big hits, which is probably the intent.
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Old 10-19-18, 04:17 PM
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I was wondering if HS adopted a rule where you can make a block while going back to the ball. I was fairly certain the NFL had it, called it the Hines Ward rule.
While there is no rule prohibiting blocking while going back to the ball, the blindside block rule has curbed the contact that they intended to curb. I saw one of those developing a couple of weeks ago.... the blocker was tracking towards the trailing defender and I anticipated a trainwreck..... all the blocker did was step in front of the defender causing him to pull up.... that pull up allowed the runner to make his cut and 45 yards later they were celebrating a TD.... It was a fantastic block, with zero contact.

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As I and many others keep bringing up, why they add rules with a grey area that can be inconsistently is frustrating. Seems the only safe way to coach is have your kids not go for big hits, which is probably the intent.
Did you know that there is no definition for a "hit" in the rule book? There is however, a definition of "tackling"......

When we get back to that, we have a clean and much safer game.
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Old 10-19-18, 09:08 PM
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If he plays tonight that answers the question.
He didn't play.
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Old 10-19-18, 09:09 PM
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Blocked extra point in the backfield (does not cross line of scrimmage). Offensive player catches the ball without it touching the ground. Can he advance the ball in HS?
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Old 10-19-18, 09:23 PM
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Blocked extra point in the backfield (does not cross line of scrimmage). Offensive player catches the ball without it touching the ground. Can he advance the ball in HS?
No, the ball is dead when it is kicked
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