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I think another angle to this story that has not been discussed is that many of these folks getting hurt seriously from foul balls are kids under the age of 5. MLB games are the most affordable of the 4 major pro sports and many parents bring their toddler aged kids to the ball park for their 1st pro sport experience. Back in the 1st half of the 20th century kids were never seen in a ballpark but since the '60s the age has gotten gradually younger to the point now that babies are actually being seen at the ball park. A 4 year old doesn't have the attention span to be awake for an entire game let alone the reflexes to be able to react to a blistering liner into the seats. Maybe there should be an age restriction for those sitting in the lower deck between the foul poles?
Solid idea. Having all the web sites like Ticket Master verify ages at time of purchase, and having stadium ushers check IDs. Sounds very practical. Much easier than putting up inexpensive safety nets.
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Old 07-01-19, 03:55 PM
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For all the geniuses against safety netting, some stats from Bloomberg:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/30/us/ba...ers/index.html


"About 1,750 fans are hurt each year by foul balls at MLB games, citing an analysis by Bloomberg, said a study Grow and another academic published last year in the William & Mary Law Review. This equates to a rate of roughly two injuries per every three games, making a fan injury from a foul ball a more common occurrence than a batter being hit by a pitch."

MLB and foul balls
-- 1,750 -- The number of fans hurt each year by foul balls
-- 100 to 110 mph -- The speeds at which baseballs enter the stands
-- $8,000 to $12,000 -- The cost of protective netting per 60 feet
-- $10 billion -- MLB's gross revenue for 2018
It's not geniuses, it's probabilities... ok, now follow me....

in major league baseball games, each team, on average throws 146 pitches
times 162 games is 23,652 pitches per year, per team
times 30 MLB teams...709,560 pitches per season.
at 1,750 fans "hurt" by a foul ball, that's 0.25% of the pitched balls.

And remember that that 0.25% includes minor scrapes and bruises. Simply put, the ends doesn't justify the means, unless you are the person that feels that no one should ever get hurt anywhere anytime? Truth, that little girl had a better chance of getting hurt in a car accident going to and from the game than getting hit by a foul ball.

An anyway, so do you just want to put up nets because MLB makes alot of money??? What about high school, college games, those fans can get hit by foul balls too?
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Old 07-02-19, 09:59 AM
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It's not geniuses, it's probabilities... ok, now follow me....

in major league baseball games, each team, on average throws 146 pitches
times 162 games is 23,652 pitches per year, per team
times 30 MLB teams...709,560 pitches per season.
at 1,750 fans "hurt" by a foul ball, that's 0.25% of the pitched balls.

And remember that that 0.25% includes minor scrapes and bruises. Simply put, the ends doesn't justify the means, unless you are the person that feels that no one should ever get hurt anywhere anytime? Truth, that little girl had a better chance of getting hurt in a car accident going to and from the game than getting hit by a foul ball.

An anyway, so do you just want to put up nets because MLB makes alot of money??? What about high school, college games, those fans can get hit by foul balls too?
I realize you are the exact opposite of "genius". It's called sarcasm.
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Old 07-02-19, 12:24 PM
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For all the geniuses against safety netting, some stats from Bloomberg:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/30/us/ba...ers/index.html


"About 1,750 fans are hurt each year by foul balls at MLB games, citing an analysis by Bloomberg, said a study Grow and another academic published last year in the William & Mary Law Review. This equates to a rate of roughly two injuries per every three games, making a fan injury from a foul ball a more common occurrence than a batter being hit by a pitch."

MLB and foul balls
-- 1,750 -- The number of fans hurt each year by foul balls
-- 100 to 110 mph -- The speeds at which baseballs enter the stands
-- $8,000 to $12,000 -- The cost of protective netting per 60 feet
-- $10 billion -- MLB's gross revenue for 2018
It really is amazing anyone would argue against putting the nets up.
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Old 07-02-19, 02:01 PM
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It really is amazing anyone would argue against putting the nets up.
Lower the speed limits nationally to 35 MPH and I"ll guarantee you'll see a drop in the driving fatality numbers. Will it happen? Absolutely not. There are certain perils in life we are ok with taking.
I feel awful for this kid and anyone who gets a debilitating injury from a foul ball, but we can't wrap everyone in bubble wrap so no one ever gets hurt.
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Old 07-02-19, 03:23 PM
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Lower the speed limits nationally to 35 MPH and I"ll guarantee you'll see a drop in the driving fatality numbers. Will it happen? Absolutely not. There are certain perils in life we are ok with taking.
I feel awful for this kid and anyone who gets a debilitating injury from a foul ball, but we can't wrap everyone in bubble wrap so no one ever gets hurt.
Stadiums are already extending the nets.
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Old 07-09-19, 01:03 PM
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I'm surprised some didn't clamor for netting all around the outfield at the home run derby last night. Guys were hitting missals up there.
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Old 07-09-19, 01:10 PM
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just to provide some perspective... over the extended July 4th holiday, Wed. July 3rd through Sunday, July 7th, there were 12 auto related fatalities, in the state of Ohio, not the country, in just Ohio.

To my knowledge, there was the one baseball foul related death last year in LA, and that's the only one I've ever heard of. And this is over 162 games of 30 teams, playoffs, world series, exhibition games, etc.
Why do I bring this up? Because we are very, very, selective on how and when to use the safety card. No one is ever, ever going to drop the speed limit because that's OUR time, we're not going to make the speed limit 40-50 MPH, even though we KNOW it would save lives, we KNOW that. Yet when it comes to safety with either football helmets or foul balls in baseball, we can't accept any risk??? Just amazes me the inconsistency of people's thoughts.
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Old 07-09-19, 01:33 PM
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just to provide some perspective... over the extended July 4th holiday, Wed. July 3rd through Sunday, July 7th, there were 12 auto related fatalities, in the state of Ohio, not the country, in just Ohio.

To my knowledge, there was the one baseball foul related death last year in LA, and that's the only one I've ever heard of. And this is over 162 games of 30 teams, playoffs, world series, exhibition games, etc.
Why do I bring this up? Because we are very, very, selective on how and when to use the safety card. No one is ever, ever going to drop the speed limit because that's OUR time, we're not going to make the speed limit 40-50 MPH, even though we KNOW it would save lives, we KNOW that. Yet when it comes to safety with either football helmets or foul balls in baseball, we can't accept any risk??? Just amazes me the inconsistency of people's thoughts.
Once again proving that math is not something you understand. This is a simple matter of scale.

162 games, 30 teams. 162 X 30 = 4860. divide by 2, because it takes 2 teams to play 1 game. 2430 games. Add in playoffs, fewer than 2500 games per year. With 1750 fans reported as injured at games last year by foul balls.

There are more than 2500 cars going through Columbus's busiest freeway exchanges each hour. 12 auto related fatalities is sad, but when you consider the many millions of people on the road in Ohio last weekend, we can't do a whole lot better. There are regulations for seat belts, air bags, drunk driving etc to try to make it safe.

Stop with the stupid comparisons between baseball and driving. It's embarrassing. When there is a practical, inexpensive way to improve safety, it should be done. The netting is practical, inexpensive, and has no downside.

Just stop.
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Old 07-09-19, 02:00 PM
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14red continues to double down on stupid.
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Old 07-09-19, 02:07 PM
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Agreed with wolves that 14Red is embarrassing himself here.
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Old 07-10-19, 10:03 AM
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Once again proving that math is not something you understand. This is a simple matter of scale.

162 games, 30 teams. 162 X 30 = 4860. divide by 2, because it takes 2 teams to play 1 game. 2430 games. Add in playoffs, fewer than 2500 games per year. With 1750 fans reported as injured at games last year by foul balls.

There are more than 2500 cars going through Columbus's busiest freeway exchanges each hour. 12 auto related fatalities is sad, but when you consider the many millions of people on the road in Ohio last weekend, we can't do a whole lot better. There are regulations for seat belts, air bags, drunk driving etc to try to make it safe.

Stop with the stupid comparisons between baseball and driving. It's embarrassing. When there is a practical, inexpensive way to improve safety, it should be done. The netting is practical, inexpensive, and has no downside.

Just stop.
Thanks you just made my point, in BOTH instances, having a severe injury is RARE!!!
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Stop embarrassing yourself.
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Old 07-11-19, 08:12 AM
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Stop embarrassing yourself.
Just trying to brings some common sense to this nonsense.

Heck, you're safer sitting down the foul lines of a major league baseball game with no net than walking through some Cincinnati neighborhoods the past 6 weeks. What has there been 20 shooting deaths the last 6 weeks in the Cincinnati area?
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Old 07-11-19, 08:42 AM
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Just trying to brings some common sense to this nonsense.
When are you going to start doing that?
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Old 07-11-19, 10:54 AM
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Just trying to brings some common sense to this nonsense.

Heck, you're safer sitting down the foul lines of a major league baseball game with no net than walking through some Cincinnati neighborhoods the past 6 weeks. What has there been 20 shooting deaths the last 6 weeks in the Cincinnati area?
Common Sense?

You have been asked a simple question: Can give one logical objection to adding the safety nets at MLB stadiums?

Your answers have been:
- Driving is dangerous
- 12 people died on Ohio highways
- People get shot in some Cincy neighborhoods

That is not common sense, that is BS and deflection. So again I ask you:

Can give one logical objection to adding the safety nets at MLB stadiums?
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Old 07-12-19, 01:51 PM
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Common Sense?

You have been asked a simple question: Can give one logical objection to adding the safety nets at MLB stadiums?

Your answers have been:
- Driving is dangerous
- 12 people died on Ohio highways
- People get shot in some Cincy neighborhoods

That is not common sense, that is BS and deflection. So again I ask you:

Can give one logical objection to adding the safety nets at MLB stadiums?
logical explanation, ok. Nets are a pain to look through. Yes, we have an expectation when sitting behind the back stop or even down to the ends of the dugouts that netting will be there. To put netting all the way down to the foul poles is ridiculous. Major league baseball teams aren't in the business of placating every silly whim you libs want. Heck, what's next, are you going to want to have stadium employees carry kids to their seats so they don't trip and fall? I'd guess a percentage of kids at ball games trip and fall and get hurt...should we protect against that as well?

No one is going to come out on record and say not enough kids get hurt by foul balls to justify the cost and inconvenience of netting, but isn't that what we do with other parts of life? I just get tired of the whiners...
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logical explanation, ok. Nets are a pain to look through. Yes, we have an expectation when sitting behind the back stop or even down to the ends of the dugouts that netting will be there. To put netting all the way down to the foul poles is ridiculous. Major league baseball teams aren't in the business of placating every silly whim you libs want. Heck, what's next, are you going to want to have stadium employees carry kids to their seats so they don't trip and fall? I'd guess a percentage of kids at ball games trip and fall and get hurt...should we protect against that as well?

No one is going to come out on record and say not enough kids get hurt by foul balls to justify the cost and inconvenience of netting, but isn't that what we do with other parts of life? I just get tired of the whiners...
They already addressed that like 80 years ago with railing on the stairs.
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Old 07-12-19, 02:57 PM
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... Major league baseball teams aren't in the business of placating every silly whim you libs want.
Dear Moron,

I am not a liberal, I have voted 95% of the time for Republican candidates. I am part owner of a small business and very much believe in capitalism and free market, with small governments. None of your business, but since you decided to call me something I'm not, now you know.

Any business person with half a brain can see the the MLB teams are playing with fire here. A liability / wrongful death suit is undoubtedly coming, if it hasn't already happened and been kept quiet. It is just common sense to put up the nets, protect your customers, and protect your business from future liability.

Go back to your sad talk-radio life.
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Old 07-12-19, 03:28 PM
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Dear Moron,

I am not a liberal, I have voted 95% of the time for Republican candidates. I am part owner of a small business and very much believe in capitalism and free market, with small governments. None of your business, but since you decided to call me something I'm not, now you know.

Any business person with half a brain can see the the MLB teams are playing with fire here. A liability / wrongful death suit is undoubtedly coming, if it hasn't already happened and been kept quiet. It is just common sense to put up the nets, protect your customers, and protect your business from future liability.

Go back to your sad talk-radio life.
Nice...name calling...

So you're a part owner of a small business...ok, so let's go with that. You have something that could be perceived as a peril, but your industry, going back over 100 years, has never, EVER, had a lawsuit go against you because there is a true risk of going to that event. It's been that way. You tell your customers that they are at the risk of injury with a batted ball....

Your customers have .00001% chance of serious injury.... If you're an owner of a business and you're worried about that stuff??? SMH...


What's next, helmets for anyone that operates a car or truck?
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Old 07-12-19, 04:00 PM
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14Red is one of those snowflakes who thinks that everyone who disagrees with him is a dirty liberal. That's what people with low intelligence do.
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Nice...name calling...

So you're a part owner of a small business...ok, so let's go with that. You have something that could be perceived as a peril, but your industry, going back over 100 years, has never, EVER, had a lawsuit go against you because there is a true risk of going to that event. It's been that way. You tell your customers that they are at the risk of injury with a batted ball....

Your customers have .00001% chance of serious injury.... If you're an owner of a business and you're worried about that stuff??? SMH...


What's next, helmets for anyone that operates a car or truck?
Would like to see the calculation on the .00001% probability of serious injury. Thanks.
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14Red is one of those snowflakes who thinks that everyone who disagrees with him is a dirty liberal. That's what people with low intelligence do.
And yet he wants a socialist society that "protects" adults by forcing them to go to college instead of straight to the NBA.
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Would like to see the calculation on the .00001% probability of serious injury. Thanks.
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Old 07-15-19, 09:11 AM
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14Red is one of those snowflakes who thinks that everyone who disagrees with him is a dirty liberal. That's what people with low intelligence do.
Not at all, just trying to educate some of you on here. You'll see things my way someday.
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Old 07-15-19, 09:14 AM
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And yet he wants a socialist society that "protects" adults by forcing them to go to college instead of straight to the NBA.

Not at all, just want to try to keep many of these kids for making the biggest mistakes of their lives...there's 100,000 high school sophomores who think they'll be in the NBA draft lottery in 3 years... that's 100,000 kids for 14 spots.

Go to a good college, get an education AND play basketball on the way. Much safer route.
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Not at all
Yes you do. You want to remove their freedoms and force them to do something else.
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Old 07-15-19, 11:02 AM
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Your customers have .00001% chance of serious injury.... If you're an owner of a business and you're worried about that stuff??? SMH...
LOL. Ignoring statistics you don't like, and making up your own. So stubborn...

I already showed you that in 2018 there were fewer than 2500 MLB games and 1750. So a likelihood that at 70% of the games someone gets hit. Maybe not a serious injury, but a negative experience for that customer and the hundreds of people sitting nearby.

The smart teams have already realized it is bad for business. Boston extended their netting well past the dugouts in 2018. White Sox, Rangers and Nationals announced they are as well. It is relatively cheap, and does not negatively impact viewing. No-brainer decision. For everyone but you.
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Old 07-15-19, 11:11 AM
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I’ve never seen anyone exclusively argue based off one straw man after another. Hilarious stuff.
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The netting should probably be extended but I'm not going to pretend like I don't love watching the game up close with a clear view as opposed to the view as seen through the net
 

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