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Old 06-10-18, 08:26 AM
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Final X

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70 kilograms: James Green def. Jason Chamberlain, 2 matches to 0
Match 1: Green dec. Chamberlain, 2-0
Match 2: Green dec. Chamberlain, 2-1

59 kilograms: Alli Ragan def. Jenna Burkert, 2 matches to 0
Match 1: Ragan dec. Burkert, 4-0
Match 2: Ragan dec. Burkert, 5-0

97 kilograms: Kyle Snyder def. Kyven Gadson, 2 matches to 0
Match 1: Snyder dec. Gadson, 9-0
Match 2: Snyder dec. Gadson, 10-2

55 kilograms: Jacarra Winchester def. Becka Leathers, 2 matches to 0
Match 1: Winchester dec. Leathers, 10-6
Match 2: Winchester dec. Leathers, 5-1

57 kilograms: Thomas Gilman def. Daton Fix, 2 matches to 0
Match 1: Gilman dec. Fix, 6-3
Match 2: Gilman dec. Fix, 2-1

68 kilograms: Tamyra Stock def. Randyll Beltz, 2 matches to 0
Match 1: Mensah-Stock tech. fall Beltz, 10-0
Match 2: Mensah-Stock tech. fall Beltz, 10-0

74 kilograms: Jordan Burroughs def. Isaiah Martinez, 2 matches to 0
Match 1: Burroughs dec. Martinez, 4-1
Match 2: Burroughs tech. fall Martinez, 11-1
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Old 06-10-18, 08:34 AM
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In the only upset, Jacarra Winchester knocked off world bronze medalist Becka Leathers.

Snyder shows Gadson, once again, that Captain America is the king when it comes to freestyle.

Gilman shows Fix that the young guns will have to wait for awhile to take over at 57kg.

In a display of boring wrestling, Green wins two matches without a takedown (I think). This style seems to be out of the norm, thankfully, as most matches in the Open and WTT and the first phase of Final X were extremely entertaining.
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Old 06-10-18, 08:43 AM
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It was a great watch. My takeaways:

Snyder and Burroughs are still way ahead, obviously. Burroughs looks leaner and ripped, like he's adjusted his body type as he's gotten older (similar to Lebron James).

Gilman is kind of fun to watch as The Heel. He should medal again. Fix is so dang good.

Alli Ragan is a five time team member and has been at Hawkeye Wrestling Club training. I think it shows, as she looks even tougher. Winchester looked huge vs Leathers.
Overall, the womens depth is really, really strong, compared to even five years ago. The only mis-match was with Mensah-Stock (who can medal) vs Beltz (who has a good resume but looked really bad).

All seven we saw last night have good chances to medal. This is going to be a nice team, overall.
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Old 06-10-18, 09:48 AM
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I hope we see Final X stop in Columbus or Cleveland next year. Be a lot of Ohio guys or with Ohio ties going for a world spot next year. Stieber, Snyder, McKenna, Tomasello and the current OSU guys trying to make the team I think it could do really well in Ohio somewhere.
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Old 06-10-18, 09:51 PM
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In the only upset, Jacarra Winchester knocked off world bronze medalist Becka Leathers.

Snyder shows Gadson, once again, that Captain America is the king when it comes to freestyle.

Gilman shows Fix that the young guns will have to wait for awhile to take over at 57kg.

In a display of boring wrestling, Green wins two matches without a takedown (I think). This style seems to be out of the norm, thankfully, as most matches in the Open and WTT and the first phase of Final X were extremely entertaining.
Know Green addressed it on Twitter last night, but him and Chamberlain were training partners for two years in Nebraska. Tougher to score against guys you saw every day, and Chamberlain has pretty good defense anyways.

I hadn't seen Winchester wrestle at all before Final X, but I was intrigued. Think our women's team will be fun to watch this year.
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Old 06-12-18, 09:24 AM
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I thought it was I-Mar's time to take over??
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Old 06-13-18, 10:20 AM
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It seems that Gilman has separated himself from the rest of the group at 57. It looks like him and Spencer Lee will be battling it out for that spot for years to come. Would not be surprised to see a retirement by Nato.
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Old 06-13-18, 10:39 AM
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I thought it was I-Mar's time to take over??
Who thought that? He couldnít even beat Vincenzo, but he was supposed to beat Burroughs?
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Old 06-15-18, 03:07 PM
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Who thought that? He couldnít even beat Vincenzo, but he was supposed to beat Burroughs?
And someone read the 100-plus comments on Facebook on the flo page LOL. there was a lot of people on there thinking that IMAR's style was there. Nope
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Old 06-15-18, 08:41 PM
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It seems that Gilman has separated himself from the rest of the group at 57. It looks like him and Spencer Lee will be battling it out for that spot for years to come. Would not be surprised to see a retirement by Nato.
Why would NATO retire?? If you donít think he can compete with Gilman and Lee youíre nuts.
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Old 06-16-18, 12:18 AM
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And someone read the 100-plus comments on Facebook on the flo page LOL. there was a lot of people on there thinking that IMAR's style was there. Nope
Burroughs has five career losses- a fluky criteria loss to Marable (who made the World team that year), two losses to Russians (Tsargush and Geduev), a he-didn't-care loss to Bekzod, and the loss to Dake (who has wins over four other Olympic medalists) before he beat him twice. That's in seven years. Five losses, seven years. There's like five guys in the World who can beat Jordan at that weight, and IMar isn't one of them yet.
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Old 06-16-18, 02:40 PM
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Why would NATO retire?? If you donít think he can compete with Gilman and Lee youíre nuts.
Gilman has had the upper edge on Nato the majority of the time in the past. Fix beat Nato in freestyle 2 matches to 0 in their only meeting. Lee pinned Nato in their last appearance and will only continue to improve. And Ramos took out Nato the last time they wrestled. This ranks Nato 5th in America. While I could see him maybe pulling the upset on one of these guys I highly doubt he could run the gauntlet and beat the majority of them which he would have to do in order to make a world team.
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Old 06-16-18, 09:12 PM
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Gilman has had the upper edge on Nato the majority of the time in the past. Fix beat Nato in freestyle 2 matches to 0 in their only meeting. Lee pinned Nato in their last appearance and will only continue to improve. And Ramos took out Nato the last time they wrestled. This ranks Nato 5th in America. While I could see him maybe pulling the upset on one of these guys I highly doubt he could run the gauntlet and beat the majority of them which he would have to do in order to make a world team.
That doesn't mean he should concede and retire. That would go against the wrestler/warrior mentality that NATO has.

David Taylor spent many years behind Burroughs, Dake, and Cox on the National Team ladder; does that mean he should have retired? No, he kept at it and now he is a world team member. There's no reason that NATO can't someday break through.
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Old 06-17-18, 01:51 AM
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The only way I see NaTo retiring is if he has complications with his rehab which makes it impossible to make a full recovery. And even at that I don't think he'd ever make that decision without competing. He's one of a handful of elite competitors at his weight and all could win on any given day.
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Old 06-17-18, 08:34 AM
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That doesn't mean he should concede and retire. That would go against the wrestler/warrior mentality that NATO has.

David Taylor spent many years behind Burroughs, Dake, and Cox on the National Team ladder; does that mean he should have retired? No, he kept at it and now he is a world team member. There's no reason that NATO can't someday break through.
While it is true that DT wasn't the #1 guy in the U.S., he was generally #2, at one weight or another, and that meant he was "on the team" -- top 3 guys are supported (financially) by USA Wrestling. NaTo will not be in that position. Surely he can cobble together financial support -- I'm sure there are OSU supporters who would ante up to assist his training efforts -- but it is surely an uphill battle given the list of truly world-class competitors he faces.

I wish him well, but I, too, doubt that we ever see him in the individual world championships.
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Old 06-17-18, 09:09 PM
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While it is true that DT wasn't the #1 guy in the U.S., he was generally #2, at one weight or another, and that meant he was "on the team" -- top 3 guys are supported (financially) by USA Wrestling. NaTo will not be in that position. Surely he can cobble together financial support -- I'm sure there are OSU supporters who would ante up to assist his training efforts -- but it is surely an uphill battle given the list of truly world-class competitors he faces.

I wish him well, but I, too, doubt that we ever see him in the individual world championships.
Yes, I'm well aware that the top 3 guys on the ladder are on the US National Team. NaTo was on it last year, and the biggest reason he's not on it this year is simply because he didn't compete this spring. He may not ever make the World Team, but he has a good shot at making the National Team in 2019 and 2020. Maybe he retires after 2020 - who know's - I just thought it was silly that the other poster thought he should retire now.
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Old 06-19-18, 07:29 AM
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In the only upset, Jacarra Winchester knocked off world bronze medalist Becka Leathers.

Snyder shows Gadson, once again, that Captain America is the king when it comes to freestyle.

Gilman shows Fix that the young guns will have to wait for awhile to take over at 57kg.

In a display of boring wrestling, Green wins two matches without a takedown (I think). This style seems to be out of the norm, thankfully, as most matches in the Open and WTT and the first phase of Final X were extremely entertaining.
Gadson will be the answer to a trivia question in a few years. Who denied the greatest wrestler in US history from being a 4X national champ?
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Old 06-19-18, 10:03 AM
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That doesn't mean he should concede and retire. That would go against the wrestler/warrior mentality that NATO has.

David Taylor spent many years behind Burroughs, Dake, and Cox on the National Team ladder; does that mean he should have retired? No, he kept at it and now he is a world team member. There's no reason that NATO can't someday break through.
This is a terrible take. Taylor was right there with the P4P best wrestler in the World at the time in Burroughs. At this time Taylor was ranked 4th in the world. Nato is currently ranked 5th in the US and is not close to being ranked in the World rankings. Nato is a great wrestler and great person, but to compare his current situation to DT's in the past is nothing short of idiotic.
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