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Old 05-28-18, 12:19 PM
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Exactly. And everyone should have a punchers chance to make a big tournament run every now and then. The smallest schools in each division ,that don't recruit , will always be at a disadvantage. The small D 1 schools will always be at the biggest disadvantage.
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Old 05-28-18, 04:43 PM
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Why does it work best to have 200 teams in each division? I still donít understand why there needs to be an equal number of teams in each division.
800 schools and 4 divisions with 200 each gives an equal divide of teams in each.
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Old 05-28-18, 04:48 PM
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Exactly. And everyone should have a punchers chance to make a big tournament run every now and then. The smallest schools in each division ,that don't recruit , will always be at a disadvantage. The small D 1 schools will always be at the biggest disadvantage.
If you think the largest D1 schools have the advantage it would make sense the largest schools would win most of the state titles. Have we seen that happen?
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Old 05-28-18, 05:23 PM
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The largest school are usually in the mix. No guarantee for State championships. That's a ridiculous argument. I just know that many small division D 1 teams who don't recruit have almost 0 chance. That's not hard to figure ! Until they do like football and have a super division, the bigger schools that recruit will be near the top most years.
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Old 05-28-18, 05:45 PM
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800 schools and 4 divisions with 200 each gives an equal divide of teams in each.
Why does there need to be an equal number of teams in each division?
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Old 05-28-18, 05:56 PM
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honestly, size doesnít mater... if youíre good enough, you can compete with anyone
So you are a proponent of the old Indiana model with no divisions at all?
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Old 05-28-18, 05:58 PM
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Why does there need to be an equal number of teams in each division?
Agreed. Since the basic premise of the division alignment is based on enrollment, wouldn't it make more sense to determine division by enrollment numbers with no concern with how many schools are in each division?
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Old 05-28-18, 06:11 PM
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That makes more sense then anything
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Old 05-28-18, 07:24 PM
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Agreed. Since the basic premise of the division alignment is based on enrollment, wouldn't it make more sense to determine division by enrollment numbers with no concern with how many schools are in each division?
Explain how you'd make divisions.
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Old 05-28-18, 07:48 PM
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Decide the appropriate enrollment limits of each division and place schools based on those numbers regardless of the number of districts.


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Old 05-28-18, 07:52 PM
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Basketball is one of the sports where they could do an end of year tournament with the winners of each division and determine a true state champion. That would be a great weekend of basketball to watch. How many times would a lower division team win it all?
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Old 05-28-18, 08:01 PM
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The largest school are usually in the mix. No guarantee for State championships. That's a ridiculous argument. I just know that many small division D 1 teams who don't recruit have almost 0 chance. That's not hard to figure ! Until they do like football and have a super division, the bigger schools that recruit will be near the top most years.
Football cannot be compared to basketball. One player can carry a basketball team to the final four but we all know that is not the case for football. This is why the numbers you claim are invalidated.

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Old 05-28-18, 08:03 PM
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Why does there need to be an equal number of teams in each division?
Come up with a better idea. That is a simple layout that was designed to put the same amount of schools in each division without concerns for anything other than an equal division and it has worked.
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Old 05-28-18, 08:24 PM
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Football cannot be compared to basketball. One player can carry a basketball teal to the final four but we all know that is not the case for football. This is why the numbers you claim are invalidated.
One player may be able to carry a team in D3 or D4. Less likely in D2 and I donít think one person can carry a team in D1
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Old 05-28-18, 08:25 PM
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Come up with a better idea. That is a simple layout that was designed to put the same amount of schools in each division without concerns for anything other than an equal division and it has worked.
I believe several people have given examples.
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I believe several people have given examples.
Again, what is the reason there needs to be a change?
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One player may be able to carry a team in D3 or D4. Less likely in D2 and I donít think one person can carry a team in D1
Watch some games.
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Old 05-28-18, 09:21 PM
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Yeap.
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Old 05-28-18, 09:28 PM
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Watch some games.
What one player carried a team to state in D1?
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Old 05-28-18, 09:29 PM
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Again, what is the reason there needs to be a change?
Because small D1 schools have very little chance. Same reason they made a chance to football.
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Old 05-28-18, 09:39 PM
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Who decides the "appropriate" enrollment limits? Can one division be twice the size of another division? How about a little more detail?
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Old 05-28-18, 09:43 PM
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Who decides the "appropriate" enrollment limits? Can one division be twice the size of another division? How about a little more detail?
One division being twice the size wouldnít be a problem. Would only add one more round to the tourney.
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Old 05-28-18, 09:50 PM
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What one player carried a team to state in D1?
I said the final four.
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Old 05-28-18, 09:53 PM
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Because small D1 schools have very little chance. Same reason they made a chance to football.
Two very different tournament layouts. Changing the D1 layout or adding a 5th division would only help the larger schools get to the final four. They do not get their now on a regular basis.

How many schools have an enrollment over 1000? How many of those schools have won basketball state titles in the last 10 years?
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Old 05-28-18, 10:19 PM
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I said the final four.
That is the final 4. Who in D1 has carried their team to a final four by themselves?
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Old 05-28-18, 10:22 PM
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Two very different tournament layouts. Changing the D1 layout or adding a 5th division would only help the larger schools get to the final four. They do not get their now on a regular basis.

How many schools have an enrollment over 1000? How many of those schools have won basketball state titles in the last 10 years?
How many schools with enrollments from 350-450 ever even make it to a regional in D1?
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Old 05-28-18, 10:25 PM
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How many 2018 D1 All Ohio players made it to the final four this year?
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Old 05-28-18, 10:28 PM
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How many 2018 D1 All Ohio players made it to the final four this year?
I donít know. What does that matter?
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Old 05-28-18, 10:38 PM
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How many schools with enrollments from 350-450 ever even make it to a regional in D1?
Many schools donít make it because they are not good enough. To make your point you need to provide multiple teams with an enrollment of 350-450 that had won 16 games in regular season but we beat before regionals by teams above 850.
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Old 05-28-18, 10:40 PM
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D1 teams make it to state without any. But D1 teams with 1 good player can make it to the final four. Find a Football team in the state D1 semis with none or only 1 All Ohio player on it.
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