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Old 05-17-18, 01:03 PM
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Pickerington, the IMG of Central Ohio.
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Old 05-17-18, 01:22 PM
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Well from what a knowledgeable poster from Pick says PC feeder Ridgeview could field a few team that could win their league . HMM Gonna be some very disappointed talented kids watching their classmates play at some point while they sit .

There is such thing as too much talent in terms of good quality kids not being able to get on the field. Time will tell if this is a problem , not that it's a bad problem I suppose unless you are the one sitting
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Old 05-17-18, 01:26 PM
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Pickerington, the IMG of Central Ohio.
No, that will be COF Academy in Columbus!
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Old 05-17-18, 07:54 PM
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A few things I left out that I wanted to mention about the schedule thoughts . I do this from off the top of my head so sometimes I forget a few things that I wanted to mention .

Perrysburg - I noticed I was a bit , umm disrespectful to a proud program that has had some recent success. Film from last year tells me that it's still a mismatch but P-Burg may hang around a bit longer ? Rocks will be excited as all teams are I week one especially at home so that should take care of the overconfidence .


Jerome - no revision or anything to add .

Gahanna - Poster intimated that Lowery might be going " home" WHATEVER THAT MEANS to PN , a week 5 opponent of the Rocks . HMM well if he leaves the odds of beating Gahanna on the road go way up . PN game ? Well your smart you get the converse . But like a lot of supposed Information , there is a brown paste surrounding it.

Tangy - Well this is a direct challenge to the conditioning and work ethic of the Rock players. Bottom line is Solis punishes his kids from a conditioning standpoint. 2016 Rocks had experience and raw personnel advantages and the game was over early . Last year? Both game were competitive , but it is clear that the Braves outplayed you in the 4th quarters and the second halves in general. When you are putting in the work the next couple months and change AND ONCE THE SEASON STARTS, remember that the Braves out conditioned you and work accordingly .


PN - See post above.


Davidson - Kind of a Tangy post part 2 , You know that White is a master of revenge motivation right? He isn't as good when he can't go to that well. { 2016 He had his team playing at it's apex and over it's head quite frankly and won the regular season meeting and the Central title} . Second game ? What was his motivational angle? Hmm probably didn't have one , he had to go to Coffman for a second time and tell his kids to do what they did in the first game and beat a team that was probably better than his team for a second time in less than a month? they cam no where near the level they got to a few weeks earlier emotionally and got handled easily.

This time around ? White plays the Coffman rivalry up big time when his team lost the last one especially. Well he has lost TWO in a row in game s where his team had trouble moving it on the ground at all . Got out played from a physical standpoint the last two times .

So with an experienced team off two losses to his rival ? Rocks have to realize which they do NO ONE WORKS harder than Davidson in the weight room and conditioning wise , so the Rocks have to keep that in mind when they are putting in the work conditioning wise because mentally the Cats will likely be razor sharp and if they match the physical condition the chances go way up that victory will be achieved because if you do that your talent and skill can be the difference.

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Old 06-02-18, 06:07 PM
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It's June . The big push towards camp and what should be the hardest work that players should be doing as if preparing for a championship fight.

June and the first two weeks of July is prime time to get that last bit of improvement and sharpening of your skills and physical and mental strength .


QB'S throwing to receivers, working on mechanics , footwork, routes, precision . 7 on 7 follows this and a test of where you are in the work you put in .

Lineman working tirelessly on footwork and explosive quickness. Building camaraderie in the weight room, quicker guys pushing the slower afoot to get quicker, the stronger urging and pushing the quicker to get stronger?

MAKING WEAKNESSES a strength is the ultimate in improvement and pushing yourself.

Some kids getting some things done some new offers, some new improvements . I think the team has a lot of potential .


QB situation is promising with Brown a big strong runner a the very least . but he throws a nice deep ball with accuracy. Footwork and weight transfer was the biggest issues and I think that will be improved. Reminds me of Colton Caldwell who took over in 2009 when Cole Stoudt broke his leg.

Was playing TE most of the season and was damn good at it . Stepped in at QB and was a horse running the rock . About 225 and moved well. Had great hands as a TE as well . Threw a great deep ball

Ethan Brown is about 210- 215 and runs faster than Colt. Will be a threat and can sling it with a flick of the wrist deep and accurate , Improvement has to be found in the intermediate and short passing game .

He will have a nice stable of receivers to throw to and I think a group of Seniors who will have a chip on their shoulders from not getting as much attention as some other groups of 2019's .

Younger Rocks have gotten the offers , [ 2021 Kirk and 2020 Drennan, and newcomer 2021 Williams at LB-DE .} But the 2019 group has a lot of good tough football players who have some things to prove.


Interesting tidbit . Former Rock Mike Adams a former Buckeye and NFL player who after some stops and starts in his NFL career didn't play last year after being injured in 2016 . 'Big" Mike was a tackle and was at 322 pounds when he last played in 2016 .


Mike is now at 255 and 'Ripped" I mean six pack ripped . He is trying to make a comeback as a Tight End. Mike was always a freak athlete at his size no question. I saw him at the Dublin Rec center as a HS frosh playing hoops and was amazed at his feet at his size which made him a top recruit and an excellent player for OSU and second round draft pick.


Mike made one of the most athletic plays I have ever seen a BIG TACKLE { 285 pounds} at the HS level make when Coffman turned it over in the state Semi final vs ST X a heartbreaking 10-7 defeat and as a ST X defesninve back started up the field with the ball heading towards the Coffman end zone , 'BIG " Mike took off down the field and not only caught up to the kid but stripped the ball and Coffman got the ball back .


I don't know if Mike can make it back top the league as a TE, I realize that as well as he ran for a tackle he might not be fast enough as a TE but he in determined and looks great. Hands also need to be sharp . But we know he will block and is motivated. Good luck to Mike.
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Old 06-04-18, 08:30 AM
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looks like the Dublin thread turned into a Picktown thread. PC loses their entire o line along with 2 D1 TEs. While, some have said they are loaded through jr high, the new o line and TEs will be a shadow of what left. My guess is Duwayne Carter and the new transfer(Karter Johnson) will have to pull double duty as DT and OL. Tough for big boys to do that and remain as dominant as they are. QB is tough but wont have the blocking like last year. big loss at DB and LB. I think they struggle to score but as always have a great defense with that returning dline. Overall, they will not be remotely close to a championship team as last year. PN loses on of the best QBs in the state. No matter how you slice it that is a tough starting point regardless of whoever transfers in, and yes some are coming. Oline will be tough, probably best receiving group in state, RB by committee like last year. Defense loses Alex Williams(OSU) and some DBs but returns a few studs at LB and DL. If QB questions are answered North could be as tough as last year.
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Old 06-04-18, 03:21 PM
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Not really , I mean I did a run through on the schedule and my quick thoughts on the match-ups. A Catholic supporter who likes Pickerington quite a bit as wel it seems said PN would get the running clock going early and crush Coffman .

He mocked Upper Arlington during his PN WILL CRUSH Coffman Implying that the Pickeringtons were completely different animals . PC won a state title last year so he ahs that, but UA beat PC two years in a row and yes it was a OOOOOONNNNGGGGGG time ago right?


2015 and 2016 { Coffman beat UA both years} . Not saying that UA is their equal or Coffman is either , but his point that this was a whole different experience playing these behemoths fell a little flat.

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Old 06-08-18, 06:46 PM
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Region 2 appears very winnable; no Cleveland powers (St Ed, St Ignatius, Mentor), no Cincy powers (Colerain, Miller, X, Elder) and no Pickerington Central, Pick North, Hilliard Davidson or Wayne Huber Heights. Get by the Olentangy schools, Gahanna and perhaps Toledo Whitmer and you are into the State Semifinals. Based on traditional history and past state titles, Region 2 appears to be by far the easiest path to the state semifinals in Division 1.
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Old 06-09-18, 12:34 PM
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Region 2 appears very winnable; no Cleveland powers (St Ed, St Ignatius, Mentor), no Cincy powers (Colerain, Miller, X, Elder) and no Pickerington Central, Pick North, Hilliard Davidson or Wayne Huber Heights. Get by the Olentangy schools, Gahanna and perhaps Toledo Whitmer and you are into the State Semifinals. Based on traditional history and past state titles, Region 2 appears to be by far the easiest path to the state semifinals in Division 1.
I think the same exact post, verbatim, was made about 365 days ago and we see how that worked out. Let's focus on week 1....
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Old 06-09-18, 01:09 PM
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yes week one for sure. was at the OSU camp yesterday. Saw a lot of local talent from all over central Ohio. it is going to be fun and coming fast!!! You can tell many of the kids are much bigger stronger faster than last year it is clear they have put in a lot of hard work. I noticed Pick North had most of their team there and they seem to be loaded. Many of their kids were working inside with the big recruits. They may be scary if qb rumors are true.
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Old 06-09-18, 06:32 PM
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Yes Boss , team was eviscerated by Olentangy a complete beat down , box to wire beat down actually and Coffman was no where close to the mighty Olentangy Liberty Patriots who have never beaten them in EIGHT tires , but surely would have crushed Coffman by 4-5 TD's like they did Jerome .


I will do a quick prediction here , Boss will say the word Strawman and say that I am a vapid loser and well it is an every year exchange . I agree Terrible inexcusable loss to Olentangy , but to say the region isn't winnable by what Coffman has as a program ? It's winnable , but I agree improvements and adjustments need to happen
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Old 06-11-18, 07:12 AM
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I think when you look at the statement that R-2 is winnable for Coffman , that is a different statement than saying 'They should or will the region.

If you break down the region last year it was winnable for a few programs and Coffman certainly was one of that small handful .


Coffman of course suffered may be one of their worst losses that I personally have witnessed to Olentangy in round one and was out of that conversation early and it made those who thought they 'Could" win the region look overly optimistic to slightly delusional I suppose if you want to get dramatic .


Rocks came out and dominated the first half but were up only 10-0 , kind of akin to a hockey team outshooting their opponent by a 4-1 margin halfway through the gamer having the puck in their opponents end of the ice 80 percent of the time somehow only being up one goal . Tangy being well coached had some real answers and Coffman once again couldn't get a first down to seal a win { Gahanna and some close wins saw this same Dynamic} Lost in the last 30 seconds with a Frosh basketball player winning a ball in the air . { Another problem last year that should improve this year} .


So they get dumped, Olentangy the next week probably should have beaten Whitmer , losing by an eyelash again at the end of the game feeling what Coffman did the week before . Whitmer was the top seed . Liberty took care of Gahanna in a close one and beat Whitmer in impressive fashion going to their first D-1 Final four .

Whitmer almost lost to 8 seed Lorain by the way. So this notion that the region isn't winnable for a handful of programs isn't accurate . I am not predicting the Rocks , but I am not saying it is very unlikely they can't play with just about anyone in this region. They certainly can .


If Rocks were to have played Liberty last year, the Patriots very may well have beaten the Rocks for the first time in what would have been 9 tries.


Liberty played well vs Mentor coming up short in a competitive game{ Yes some Mentor fans were saying that they were vastly superior to the Patriots as a I recall although game details and actual play suggested the gap wasn't that wide} .

So of course R-2 is the most winnable region for most publics , no question. Mentor is a great program and that has allowed them to sometimes beat ST Ed's and Iggy on occasion but that is a tough path having to get past both of them. The other publics in that region show some solid programs but the depth of that region is not what some NEO Ohio homers say it is.


R-4 is R-4 some real heavyweights in Catholics and Colerain obviously . R-3 with the Pickeringtons{ Central being the obvious top dog of that two } and Wayne have great athletic talent and some tough defensive lines among other qualities that are necessary to get to the Regional finals and or beyond as often as they do.



Of course the last 7 weeks of 'Training " is crucial along with some real work on the weaknesses of last year that can turn into more of a strength is certain areas this year , coaches examining things that didn't go well last year and making the adjustments .



Whitmer has the stud QB back , don't know a lot about them yet other than a few guys back most notably QB Keller of course , but they always have skill kids that can make plays and will again this season.


Coffman and the Olentangy's are in the same realm I believe , Gahanna ? QB is back a few other really nice athletes but do they take a step back? Liberty ? Will Rocks paly them at some point before getting them back as a conference foe?

Liberty has surpassed Coffman in the better all around sports program as they are kicking azzz in multiple sports . Coffman is doing well in many sports as well but Liberty overall is surging .


When Coffman first played Liberty in 2008 , Coffman was a larger school than Liberty who was just up from D-2 , Now ? Liberty is the bigger school and has grown into a sports program that once thought Coffman was the benchmark and model for them to follow . They crept closer and closer and now have surpassed as Coffman now has Liberty as a goal to get closer to in terms of overall sports program.


In football the programs have been in the same realm for a while now, but Coffman has managed to win all 8 meetings. Two blowouts, two comfortable wins , and 4 games that were very competitive .


I think this years game if it does happen ? Very competitive.
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Old 06-11-18, 09:09 AM
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Lambeau Fields - Sorry but I did not make a post last year regarding the makeup of R2. If one very similar was posted by someone else think it shows that when one takes a look at R2 what stands out there is no traditional power, thus it looks like a very winnable region for about 10 schools to reach the state semifinals. The 2018 winner of R2 will be a underdog to any of the other 3 regional winners but they will have a chance to compete which at the end of the day is what every team wants.
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Old 06-12-18, 12:18 PM
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looks like the Dublin thread turned into a Picktown thread. PC loses their entire o line along with 2 D1 TEs. While, some have said they are loaded through jr high, the new o line and TEs will be a shadow of what left. My guess is Duwayne Carter and the new transfer(Karter Johnson) will have to pull double duty as DT and OL. Tough for big boys to do that and remain as dominant as they are. QB is tough but wont have the blocking like last year. big loss at DB and LB. I think they struggle to score but as always have a great defense with that returning dline. Overall, they will not be remotely close to a championship team as last year. PN loses on of the best QBs in the state. No matter how you slice it that is a tough starting point regardless of whoever transfers in, and yes some are coming. Oline will be tough, probably best receiving group in state, RB by committee like last year. Defense loses Alex Williams(OSU) and some DBs but returns a few studs at LB and DL. If QB questions are answered North could be as tough as last year.
Best receiving group in the state? Let us know when you find out who the new QB recruit is. As far as PC's O-line goes when I pick up OneT jr. from workouts I see a few bigs heading to their cars. I would not agree they will be a "shadow" of last years group. Wishful thinking by the always salty little brother PN fans. That triple state championship thing must have been hard on you folks.
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Old 06-12-18, 01:48 PM
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I try to be unbiased in posts. The picktown back and forth is funny as both schools always have transfers and as you know many ex pick north kids contributed to last years central team. I stand by potentially best rec. corp in state. Read up on fridays articles regarding osu football camp. Chris Scott, tim cheatwood, tyler foster, and jack sawyer were all inside the building working with the recruits. all 4 are receives and or TE. That doesnt even include baylor, getting d1 looks. Not many teams in the state have that. As previously said all depends on who the qb is. Central lost the entire line including 2 d1 te, the new group cannot be as good as that seasoned group no matter who is coming up. Just an honest evaluation no bias or shot at central. they have great coaches and I'm sure they will coach the new line up but I cannot see it being as strong as last years dominant group. I did hear of another qb name this week, I'm curious if you have heard. Either way both picktown teams should be good.
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Old 06-12-18, 04:46 PM
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Unreasonable to think PC O-Line plays to the same level last years group did. Those kids paid their dues got beaten and failed at times as young Soph's as I remember . I mean even the proclaimed by some poster soft" UA defensive front beat them in many one on one battles in that 2015 play-off game. Won the regular season game in 2016 as well.

That unit came a long way and got better over the last 2-3 years culminating in last years title run. Doesn't mean they won't be good, and they have horses in many areas.


North does have a really solid receiving corp. I I know Coffman will have to be at their best in order to compete in that one, but I think they will avoid the running clock as someone suggested.


I mean the QB Rumor with PN may be just that a 'Rumor". I THINK SOMEONE would know by now if they had some stud coming in .
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Old 06-13-18, 02:42 PM
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Well I checked Lowery's twitter page not too long ago or at least I thought it was a short time ago, because it said Gahanna Lincoln in his bio , now? PN is snuck in the middle of that opening bio. Hmm what do you know.

Good for him I suppose , not good for Gahanna who loses two great players to the Pickeringtons, Lowery on his second transfer sandwiched Gahanna in between Forsh and SR. year at North .

Stable of receivers to throw to , may be that PO BOX , Or did he never leave Pic town in the first place? will help him put up bigger numbers and get the offer he hasn't got yet? I like him a lot , but not sure at this point what the transfer will do for his recruitment at QB at the D-1 level . Heading back to North will hardly make him 2 inches taller , 20 pounds heavier and a 4.5 40 guy?

As far as the Rocks go which is the crux of this thread , this means North's offense just got a lot harder to stay with , and made Gahanna a bit easier to deal with as both are on the Rocks schedule { Lions in week 2 in Gahanna , and PN in Pickerington in week 5}
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Old 06-13-18, 03:04 PM
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winner winner chicken dinner. That's the rumor! Pick Central Guys are probably already calling OHSAA lol. Back to the Rocks thread, I know there is a ton of info regarding the team all over this thread, without spending hours rereading. please summarize as I'm looking forward to the PN Dublin game. I've read about the really good running back and my understanding is Dublin has a D1 2021 kid as does PN. I believe he is a DB. However, I am led to believe Dublin lost 3 good lbs. Please confirm. Also, regarding scheme, I recall Dublin use to run a 4-3 defense and a spread offense. Do they run zone coverage or have the athletes to man up? Any insight into schemes and philosophies would be greatly appreciated. PN will spread the field and as discussed have a ton of receivers. Can Dublin cover that many good receivers? Does their defensive front bring pressure or are they more of gap sound take up blockers and let lbs make plays.
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Old 06-13-18, 04:56 PM
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The question that is interesting is does the PN kid whoever that may be who would haver started had Lowery not transferred back there, now go to Gahanna and compete to start ? And then go back to PN after Lowery leaves ?


That was tongue and cheek by the way . Anyway Coffman HAS two D-1 2021's Kirk who started at corner last year and Williams a DE/LB who played at Scioto last year and is transferring to Coffman it appears . The first kid I remember in a LONG time who started and attended Scioto and came to Coffman . Anyway Williams a Maryland move in a couple years ago is a stud .

Rocks have played a 3-4 the last couple years to take advantage of their excellent LB group , 3 of who graduated . Boateng is at Michigan State , Hoak who I thought was a MAC LB at least is at 1-AA Youngstown State and Crabtree is at D-2 Ashland . Senior to be Hamilton played outside and is a very good hybrid LB/Safety .


Will they go back to a more traditional 4-3 and play Williams at DE, or 3-4 and use Hamilton and Williams outside with Sr. Bartman who saw action when Hoak got dinged last year in the middle with the 4th to be determined .


They have three guys back out of 4 in the secondary including the aforementioned Soph Kirk who should be a lock down type already in his short career.

Rocks are a program known to rely on their strengths of having smart kids and run fairly sophisticated coverage packages more like a College program might. Not always best to overload kids with too much of course and sometimes just let kids run a little freer.

The thing is though the secondary got some great experience last year , took some lumps learned some lessons and appear better physically this year so while PN offers a huge challenge especially with Lowery chucking the rock the Rocks have some experience back and a few others who didn't see as much time that have good athletic ability { Williamson , Cam Kirk }

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Old 06-13-18, 05:13 PM
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thanks for the summary. That williams kid hudl looks great. good get if he is transfering. probably more of an lb than de down the road? looks very athletic. Says he is 6 2 205?
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