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Old 06-07-18, 11:25 PM
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State Basketball Attendance Down By Almost 11%

The board received the attendance and financial reports from the 2018 state tournaments in girls and boys basketball, bowling, gymnastics and ice hockey. In boys basketball, the total paid attendance was 89,442, down from 100,392 in 2017. The total paid attendances in girls basketball (29,884), bowling (2,826), gymnastics (1,360) and ice hockey (3,507) were nearly the same as 2017.
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Old 06-07-18, 11:48 PM
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Hate to say this but boys basketball needs to do what girls do, 1 ticket for both semi s games for maybe $15 and football needs to start a week or two early and be done before thanksgiving. People don't go to state semis or finals like they used to. It's a whole different world out there. Gotta try something different ?
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Old 06-08-18, 06:35 AM
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Looking at the attendance from individual games makes you see why the separation of private and public would never work out long term.
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Old 06-08-18, 09:16 AM
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District quarter and semi finals need multiple games on the same night - like it used to be. Now people have to pick what game they want to go see because the odds of them driving in some cases an hour each way two nights in a row is slim. The set up now was nothing more than a money grab by the OHSAA and it has backfired.
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Old 06-08-18, 11:40 AM
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My proposal to OHSAA if given the chance to help boost attendance.

Sectional Semi and Finals: Have double headers at the district sight on back to back nights. One game can be played at 6:00pm and the other at 8:00pm

District Semi and Finals: Have a double header of the 4 district finalists using the same 6pm and 8p double header format.

Regional: remains unchanged except moving the 6pm start time up to 6:30pm and the next semi final game follows immediately after.

This only applies for Canton Region in DII, DIII, and DIV: Move DII Canton District to Walsh University, move DII Region from Civic Center to the Fieldhouse, DIV plays semi finals on Tuesday Night, DIII Wednesday night, and DII Thursday. For Regional Final, DIV stays on Friday night as the lone game, DIII plays a matinee game at 2:30pm Saturday then DII would follow later in the evening at 7:30pm.

For Columbus Region DI, move that regional site from ODU back to The Barn as The Barn holds more fans than ODU does.

For States: Semi Finals Would be double headers for teams that either play Thursday or Friday, ex:
DIV Semi 1 plays at 1:30pm and DIV Semi 2 immediately follows after would be Session 1. The evening sessions would play at 6:00pm and 7:30pm as if the traditional JV/Varsity doubleheader.

For Championship Saturday: This would be a designated schedule:

Day Sessions (1 ticket gets you in for both)
D-IV Championship game 12pm
D-III Championship Game 2:30pm

Evening Sessions
D-II Championship Game 6pm
D-I Championship Game 8:30pm



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Old 06-08-18, 12:02 PM
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This is why we're getting the new transfer rule.

Having the Harvest Preps and Cornerstone Christians make the Final Four at the expense of schools who would actually bring a crowd is hurting the OHSAA's bottom line.
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Old 06-08-18, 12:42 PM
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This is why we're getting the new transfer rule.

Having the Harvest Preps and Cornerstone Christians make the Final Four at the expense of schools who would actually bring a crowd is hurting the OHSAA's bottom line.
One of the D4 semi-finals outgained the D1 semi-final featuring two suburban public schools by >1,000 (9,003 to 7,981.)

More likely than not, itís fan disinterest in amateur athletics that is causing the decline.
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Old 06-08-18, 12:45 PM
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The board received the attendance and financial reports from the 2018 state tournaments in girls and boys basketball, bowling, gymnastics and ice hockey. In boys basketball, the total paid attendance was 89,442, down from 100,392 in 2017. The total paid attendances in girls basketball (29,884), bowling (2,826), gymnastics (1,360) and ice hockey (3,507) were nearly the same as 2017.
OHSAA website says total attendance was 105,176 for the boys state tournament.

http://ohsaa.org/Sports-Tournaments/...rnament-Recaps

How is there a discrepancy of ~15,000 attendees, then? There canít be that many people coming in on media credentials or any free admission conditions, can there?
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Old 06-08-18, 05:01 PM
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There were a couple of issues which impacted attendance this season I believe. Removing the teams who were playing and the ridiculous 10:45 start time for game 1, they were:

Timing - Ohio State was back in session during the tournament. Parking was a mess with school in session and Ohio State Football pro day on Thursday. Also was the first weekend of the NCAA tournament with several Ohio teams involved which took away some casual fans. While I'm not saying the OHSAA should look at the NCAA tournament schedule, the tournament seems to draw better when it is Sweet 16 weekend and not the opening weekend.

Effect of non-teacher coaches and schools not allowing coaches to use personal days as freely - I believe this has a several thousand plus effect on attendance. Twenty years ago more coaches attended - it wasn't usual for a schools varsity, varsity assistant, junior varsity and freshman coach to go as a staff. With high stakes testing taking place near the tournament, some schools are reluctant to let teachers leave for two days when they should be prepping for tests. The number of non-teacher coaches has also exploded the last twenty years. Around the year 2000 it was unusual for a coach to be employed outside of the school. Today is it becoming more and more common, and those coaches have a limited number of vacation days to use.

There are other factors as well but those two have the biggest impact in my opinion.
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Old 06-08-18, 09:00 PM
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One of the D4 semi-finals outgained the D1 semi-final featuring two suburban public schools by >1,000 (9,003 to 7,981.)

More likely than not, itís fan disinterest in amateur athletics that is causing the decline.
We could check to find out but it would not be surprising to see that the last game of the night on Friday has a low attendance every year. It begins at 8:30 and that is late for many fans who have a long drive home.
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Old 06-09-18, 12:00 AM
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Do 1 and 3 with 1 ticket. Then 5:30 and 7 with another ticket. For semis. The good all days are done !
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Old 06-10-18, 03:32 PM
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There were a couple of issues which impacted attendance this season I believe. Removing the teams who were playing and the ridiculous 10:45 start time for game 1, they were:

Timing - Ohio State was back in session during the tournament. Parking was a mess with school in session and Ohio State Football pro day on Thursday. Also was the first weekend of the NCAA tournament with several Ohio teams involved which took away some casual fans. While I'm not saying the OHSAA should look at the NCAA tournament schedule, the tournament seems to draw better when it is Sweet 16 weekend and not the opening weekend.

Effect of non-teacher coaches and schools not allowing coaches to use personal days as freely - I believe this has a several thousand plus effect on attendance. Twenty years ago more coaches attended - it wasn't usual for a schools varsity, varsity assistant, junior varsity and freshman coach to go as a staff. With high stakes testing taking place near the tournament, some schools are reluctant to let teachers leave for two days when they should be prepping for tests. The number of non-teacher coaches has also exploded the last twenty years. Around the year 2000 it was unusual for a coach to be employed outside of the school. Today is it becoming more and more common, and those coaches have a limited number of vacation days to use.

There are other factors as well but those two have the biggest impact in my opinion.
Ncaa tournament was playing the sweet 16 round the weekend of the state finals. Not opening weekend.
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Old 06-10-18, 04:24 PM
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If they moved the state tournament to other locations around the state with arenas that could hold 10,000+ fans, do you think it would help attendance?
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Old 06-10-18, 04:46 PM
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How many are there?
Quicken Loans Arena 20,562
Nationwide 19,500
VCA 18,809
U.S. Bank Arena (Cincy) 17,000
BB&T (U of Cincinnati) 13,477
Wolstein Center 13,610
St. John 13,276
OU Convo 13,080
Nutter (Wright State) 10,400
Cintas (X) 10,244
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Old 06-10-18, 06:30 PM
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Locations...
Quicken Loans Arena 20,562 = NEO Cleveland
Nationwide 19,500 = Cent-O Columbus
Value City Arena /VCA ~ OSU 18,809 = Cent-O Columbus
U.S. Bank Arena (Cincy) 17,000 = SWO
BB&T (U of Cincinnati) 13,477 = SWO
Wolstein Center 13,610 = NEO Cleveland
St. John 13,276 ~ OSU 18,809 = Cent-O Columbus
OU Convo 13,080~ Ohio U. = SEO Athens
Nutter (Wright State) 10,400 = SWO Dayton
Cintas Center (X Univ) 10,244 = SWO Cinn.
University of Dayton Arena 13,435 = SWO

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Old 06-10-18, 07:03 PM
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No chance it leaves Central Ohio. A move to St. John's Arena would be a little help , but that's probably not happening. Combining 2 sessions in into 1 first 2 days may help. Problem is , most high schools don't get near the following they did even 10-15 years ago.
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Old 06-10-18, 08:04 PM
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I would like to see it move back to St John's. IMO, a better facility to watch a game.
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Old 06-10-18, 09:10 PM
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St.Johns is a pipe dream unless OSU decides to preserve the building, it will be torn down in a couple years when the new Covelli Arena opens near Jesse Owens and Bill Davis Stadium


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Old 06-11-18, 12:26 AM
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Could be many factors but no one has mentioned that Cincinnati had a snow storm that weekend- was projected to hit harder than it actually did, but that could have kept many away.
Also- as a family member of kids who have played in the tournament the ticket process is awful. To the point that we have told many family members/friends to watch games on tv or online instead. To have the actual fans of the kids playing end up on the upper tier is simply ridiculous.
The tv coverage is well done- they have great angles and quality production. For many that so easier than being there.
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Old 06-11-18, 09:21 AM
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If they moved the state tournament to other locations around the state with arenas that could hold 10,000+ fans, do you think it would help attendance?
Move the games to UD arena!
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Old 06-11-18, 03:18 PM
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How many are there?
Quicken Loans Arena 20,562
Nationwide 19,500
VCA 18,809
U.S. Bank Arena (Cincy) 17,000
BB&T (U of Cincinnati) 13,477
Wolstein Center 13,610
St. John 13,276
OU Convo 13,080
Nutter (Wright State) 10,400
Cintas (X) 10,244
BB&T is in Kentucky. UC's arena is 5/3rd.
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Old 06-12-18, 06:50 AM
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Could be many factors but no one has mentioned that Cincinnati had a snow storm that weekend- was projected to hit harder than it actually did, but that could have kept many away.
Also- as a family member of kids who have played in the tournament the ticket process is awful. To the point that we have told many family members/friends to watch games on tv or online instead. To have the actual fans of the kids playing end up on the upper tier is simply ridiculous.
The tv coverage is well done- they have great angles and quality production. For many that so easier than being there.
Football and basketball attendance is down. Why? TV! There are hard core fans who will attend the games, however, when you can watch them on TV (spectrum does a great job) it is very hard to justify traveling thru out Ohio to attend=lower attendance. Pretty Simple
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Old 06-12-18, 05:57 PM
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I have to agree with Rabbit. TV. If I can watch the games from the comfort of my own home for the price of my cable bill, why would I pay to go to the game if it isn't a team I follow?
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