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Old 07-07-18, 12:50 PM
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Which is what Trump is trying to change.
Trying to change it by government market manipulation in the form of higher taxes is a good thing? When end users pay more for something because the government interfered in the market it's a tax, which is exactly what slapping tariffs on goods do.
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Old 07-07-18, 05:05 PM
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Trying to change it by government market manipulation in the form of higher taxes is a good thing? When end users pay more for something because the government interfered in the market it's a tax, which is exactly what slapping tariffs on goods do.
We can either pay alittle more or continue to lose jobs....which is worse in the long run?

If it does what it is intended to do, bring trade partners to the table to negotiate, it's a win.

If it doesn't the next administration will reverse it....and we'll continue to be taken advantage of by countries that don't play by the same rules.
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Old 07-07-18, 06:25 PM
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Too many folks don't count the cost of job losses here.
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Old 07-07-18, 06:27 PM
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We can either pay alittle more or continue to lose jobs....which is worse in the long run?

If it does what it is intended to do, bring trade partners to the table to negotiate, it's a win.

If it doesn't the next administration will reverse it....and we'll continue to be taken advantage of by countries that don't play by the same rules.
And the longer that^ goes on, the nearer we are to UBI and higher taxes. Both of which may attempt to be forestalled by an elimination of cash.
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Old 07-08-18, 10:03 PM
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Meanwhile Trump is offering 21 visas for foreign employees to work at Mar-a-lago at a slightly lower rate than last year. TRUMPSTER YOU ARE GETTING PLAYED. (like many trump investers, trump university students....and trump employees in the current administration.
You realize his supporters know this and don't care, right? The guy has been known as a cut-throat jerk since the 80s.

But the tariffs still exist, and more are coming. H4 EAD will be gone when the courts eventually rule it unconstitutional. Further F, J, and M visa restrictions go into effect next month (F visas are already down by 40% over the past two years). H-1B expedited processing (i.e. the Indian wage slave import) is now suspended six months out of the year, there's a fraud program installed, and a bill pending to curtail H-1B. E-2s are being canceled from low-wage countries such as Ecuador. And none of this was with legislation, because the dying old Bush flunkies in the GOP won't let anything pass. You know who actually stopped a bill to cancel Trump's authority to put tariffs on China? Sherrod Brown. Schumer is in support too.

Trump doesn't talk about H-2Bs because he's a hypocrite and uses them at his business. So? Reagan, the Bushes, Clinton, and Obama did absolutely nothing to address this issue, in fact they encouraged its growth. But they weren't hypocrites, that's true. I guess that's what's important if you want these programs curtailed or stopped -- not being a hypocrite. You can not get what you wanted, but be comforted in the fact that at least Obama's a nice man.
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Old 07-09-18, 09:48 AM
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You realize his supporters know this and don't care, right?
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Old 07-09-18, 11:42 AM
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Seems Trump's tariff war might be bringing in positive results. German Chancellor Merkel has indicated she is willing to lower tariffs on US auto imports. Right now the EU tariff is 10% on all US cars. The US tariff on imported European cars is 2.5%. My question: How and why did we allow this imbalance of tariffs to happen in the first place? It seems we have done this time and time again.
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Old 07-09-18, 12:32 PM
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Seems Trump's tariff war might be bringing in positive results. German Chancellor Merkel has indicated she is willing to lower tariffs on US auto imports. Right now the EU tariff is 10% on all US cars. The US tariff on imported European cars is 2.5%. My question: How and why did we allow this imbalance of tariffs to happen in the first place?
Because keeping Leftist intellectuals happy has had a higher priority than protecting American workers.
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Old 07-10-18, 04:58 PM
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You realize his supporters know this and don't care, right?:
You are correct however their are a lot of people like me who only voted for Trump because we thought the alternative was worse. Trump is playing with fire with these taxes ( tariffs ) and could end up wrecking the economy. I wish someday we would elect Presidents who work with Congress before they do things, instead of acting like dictators and going it alone.
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Old 07-10-18, 05:05 PM
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If it doesn't the next administration will reverse it....and we'll continue to be taken advantage of by countries that don't play by the same rules.
By that time lots of people could lose their jobs, retirement funds, or livelihoods ( farmers ). It is not that simple just to redo everything.
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Old 07-10-18, 06:26 PM
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By that time lots of people could lose their jobs, retirement funds, or livelihoods ( farmers ). It is not that simple just to redo everything.
The sky is not falling.
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Old 07-10-18, 07:01 PM
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The sky is not falling.
yet.

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Old 07-10-18, 07:04 PM
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The sky is not falling.
Tell that to a farmer if soybean and pork prices keep tanking or somebody who has to work several more years because the stock market tanks on these tariffs.
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Old 07-10-18, 07:08 PM
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By that time lots of people could lose their jobs, retirement funds, or livelihoods ( farmers ). It is not that simple just to redo everything.
and the retaliation from China, Canada, EU is aimed squarely at red states/congressional districts that went highly for Trump.

Time to reap what they sowed.

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Old 07-10-18, 10:22 PM
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Tell that to a farmer if soybean and pork prices keep tanking or somebody who has to work several more years because the stock market tanks on these tariffs.
I agree that there needs to be a more targeted approach to what Trump is doing. But there's almost no way to get anything with finesse through Congress. There are more Democrats on his side on this than Republicans -- it was Sherrod Brown who shut down debate on curtailing Trump's authority to impose tariffs. Yes, there will be short-term pain. But we are literally to the point where certain absolute necessities like products needed to smelt steel or certain critical antibiotics have now just one single factory in the United States making them. That is catastrophic and risks a total implosion of our manufacturing base. We could end up in a situation where we are unable to care for ourselves in the event of another global downturn or some other kind of disaster. Russia went through this in the 90s and trust me it isn't pretty.
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Old 07-10-18, 10:24 PM
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$200 billion more in tariffs in the works:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/10/polit...ump/index.html
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Old 07-10-18, 10:25 PM
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Tell that to a farmer if soybean and pork prices keep tanking or somebody who has to work several more years because the stock market tanks on these tariffs.
No worries, the gubmint is already working on a bailout for the farmers in the form of the Commodity Credit Corporation.
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Old 07-11-18, 04:56 AM
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Tell that to a farmer if soybean and pork prices keep tanking or somebody who has to work several more years because the stock market tanks on these tariffs.
What is driving soybean and hog prices? ..... Over production. The US had record soybean acres planted this year. For the first time in history there were as many acres of soybeans planted as there were corn.

Crop Report comes out on Thursday. I'd guess it will say that this years crop is going to be another big one.

But yeah, Tariffs are going to put farmers out of business.

Stop freaking out and educate yourself.
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Old 07-11-18, 06:05 AM
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What is driving soybean and hog prices? ..... Over production. The US had record soybean acres planted this year. For the first time in history there were as many acres of soybeans planted as there were corn.

Crop Report comes out on Thursday. I'd guess it will say that this years crop is going to be another big one.

But yeah, Tariffs are going to put farmers out of business.

Stop freaking out and educate yourself.
It would probably be more effective to have someone educate the President. He is batship crazy and half the time not using facts. Blowing up Germany and destroying NATO and all of our trade alliances is going to be devastating.
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Old 07-11-18, 06:40 AM
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It would probably be more effective to have someone educate the President. He is batship crazy and half the time not using facts. Blowing up Germany and destroying NATO and all of our trade alliances is going to be devastating.
Since you have been wrong about everything else you have predicted for the past two years I hesitate to believe you.
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Old 07-11-18, 06:44 AM
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What is driving soybean and hog prices? ..... Over production. The US had record soybean acres planted this year. For the first time in history there were as many acres of soybeans planted as there were corn.

Crop Report comes out on Thursday. I'd guess it will say that this years crop is going to be another big one.

But yeah, Tariffs are going to put farmers out of business.

Stop freaking out and educate yourself.
Before you throw stones why don't you educate your self first.

Here is one of many articles about tariffs and the effect it will have on soybean and pork prices on US. farmers. http://www.chicagotribune.com/busine...402-story.html

Especially read where 1 in 3 soybeans grown in the US are sold to China.

If you don't think tariffs are going to effect farm prices in a negative way, you're either an idiot or you have your head so far up Trumps a** you can't smell what he is cooking.
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Old 07-11-18, 06:45 AM
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It would probably be more effective to have someone educate the President. He is batship crazy and half the time not using facts. Blowing up Germany and destroying NATO and all of our trade alliances is going to be devastating.
Trump is not batship crazy. NeuroSyphilis is rotting his brain.

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Old 07-11-18, 11:33 AM
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Before you throw stones why don't you educate your self first.

Here is one of many articles about tariffs and the effect it will have on soybean and pork prices on US. farmers. http://www.chicagotribune.com/busine...402-story.html

Especially read where 1 in 3 soybeans grown in the US are sold to China.

If you don't think tariffs are going to effect farm prices in a negative way, you're either an idiot or you have your head so far up Trumps a** you can't smell what he is cooking.
If you think the rest of the world (withtout buying from the US) can deliver the amount of soybeans China desires to consume you should self-impose a posting ban.
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Old 07-11-18, 12:12 PM
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Before you throw stones why don't you educate your self first.

Here is one of many articles about tariffs and the effect it will have on soybean and pork prices on US. farmers. http://www.chicagotribune.com/busine...402-story.html

Especially read where 1 in 3 soybeans grown in the US are sold to China.

If you don't think tariffs are going to effect farm prices in a negative way, you're either an idiot or you have your head so far up Trumps a** you can't smell what he is cooking.
Where will China get their soybeans from if not from us? They are voluntarily adding 25% to the price that they are paying.

They'll try to buy from Brazil but Brazil can't fill those orders. The price of soybeans in Brazil has skyrocketed and when you add in the additional shipping charges US soybeans are still cheaper even with the 25% Tariff.

But you're right, the sky is falling.
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Old 07-11-18, 12:33 PM
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If you think the rest of the world (withtout buying from the US) can deliver the amount of soybeans China desires to consume you should self-impose a posting ban.
I know the Chinese can't replace their current soybean consumption without buying American soybeans. However not too long ago the Chinese were not importing any US soybeans. The Chinese will do what ever the Chinese govt. tells them to do, they will substitute soybean oil for other types of oil or do with out. Plus once they find other suppliers, China might not go back to buying the same amount they were purchasing before the Trump tariff war.
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Old 07-11-18, 12:42 PM
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Where will China get their soybeans from if not from us? They are voluntarily adding 25% to the price that they are paying.

They'll try to buy from Brazil but Brazil can't fill those orders. The price of soybeans in Brazil has skyrocketed and when you add in the additional shipping charges US soybeans are still cheaper even with the 25% Tariff.

But you're right, the sky is falling.
Once again tell that to a farmer the sky is not falling, currently soybeans are at a 10 year low, and that is not because of record production ( which their is in the US ). With a drought in Argentina plus record demand ( China ) soybean prices should be much higher but Trump has his ego to feed and US consumers and farmers be damned.
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Old 07-11-18, 03:41 PM
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Once again tell that to a farmer the sky is not falling, currently soybeans are at a 10 year low, and that is not because of record production ( which their is in the US ). With a drought in Argentina plus record demand ( China ) soybean prices should be much higher but Trump has his ego to feed and US consumers and farmers be damned.
For the first time in US history there were as many soybean acres planted as corn acres.I know you want it to be Trumps fault but a huge increase in production is driving down the price, not Tariffs.
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Old 07-11-18, 03:43 PM
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Once again tell that to a farmer the sky is not falling, currently soybeans are at a 10 year low, and that is not because of record production ( which their is in the US ). With a drought in Argentina plus record demand ( China ) soybean prices should be much higher but Trump has his ego to feed and US consumers and farmers be damned.
Cheap soybeans are great for livestock farmers as their feed cost go down. Not every farmer is upset about it.
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Old 07-11-18, 08:03 PM
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For the first time in US history there were as many soybean acres planted as corn acres.I know you want it to be Trumps fault but a huge increase in production is driving down the price, not Tariffs.
So...soybean prices are high, farmers want to get in on it, plant more soybeans increasing supply which brings down the price...economics.
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Old 07-11-18, 08:20 PM
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Where will China get their soybeans from if not from us? They are voluntarily adding 25% to the price that they are paying.

They'll try to buy from Brazil but Brazil can't fill those orders. The price of soybeans in Brazil has skyrocketed and when you add in the additional shipping charges US soybeans are still cheaper even with the 25% Tariff.

But you're right, the sky is falling.
And Brazil's soybeans aren't cheap. 3x as much as US.
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