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Old 07-09-18, 11:52 AM
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5 divisions

DI - 64-80 teams. 64 largest schools by competitive balance enrollment placed in DI. Schools that aren't in the top 64 can play up in DI if they choose to do so (LaSalle, Hoban, WW, etc.). Schools in the top 64 that are clearly unable to compete with the rest of the teams in the division can be moved down if the OHSAA chooses to do so (this would most likely apply to inner-city schools). No more than 16 schools can be moved up to DI in a given year (maximum 80).

DII-IV - 190-200 teams per division. Schools divided evenly by enrollment with no competitive balance. Teams can be moved up or down based on performance like in DI. Have a "Texas style" state playoffs where there's two playoff brackets per division. Top 16 teams per region in harbin points make the playoffs with each region divided into 2 brackets of 8 teams based off of enrollment. This would still allow the best teams to make the playoffs and play against teams of similar size.

DV - 64 teams. 8-man football. Schools can move up to other divisions but teams can't move down to DVI. 64 smallest schools plus any new programs that aren't larger than the biggest school in the division.
That actually makes sense. There are a few teams ive seen in rural and urban Ohio were they would be best suited in 8-man football.
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Old 07-09-18, 12:34 PM
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Six divisions, so I can all the finals in two days.
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Old 07-09-18, 12:34 PM
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5 divisions

DI - 64-80 teams. 64 largest schools by competitive balance enrollment placed in DI. Schools that aren't in the top 64 can play up in DI if they choose to do so (LaSalle, Hoban, WW, etc.). Schools in the top 64 that are clearly unable to compete with the rest of the teams in the division can be moved down if the OHSAA chooses to do so (this would most likely apply to inner-city schools). No more than 16 schools can be moved up to DI in a given year (maximum 80).

DII-IV - 190-200 teams per division. Schools divided evenly by enrollment with no competitive balance. Teams can be moved up or down based on performance like in DI. Have a "Texas style" state playoffs where there's two playoff brackets per division. Top 16 teams per region in harbin points make the playoffs with each region divided into 2 brackets of 8 teams based off of enrollment. This would still allow the best teams to make the playoffs and play against teams of similar size.

DV - 64 teams. 8-man football. Schools can move up to other divisions but teams can't move down to DVI. 64 smallest schools plus any new programs that aren't larger than the biggest school in the division.

A few years ago when South Carolina ran a four classification system they would do a system in Class 4A (Similar to D1 in Ohio) where they would take the 32 teams in 4A that qualified for the playoffs and then rank them according to overall enrollment size. The 16 biggest schools who qualified for the playoffs were put into a 16 team bracket nicknamed the "Big 16" and then the other 16 were put into another 16 team bracket. This went away after SC moved to a 5 class system 2 years ago. Under the old 4 class system, 3A schools played in a 32 team bracket with no division, 2A schools likewise and for a time 1A schools did something similar to 4A in that the biggest 1A schools played in their own 16 team bracket and then the smaller 1A schools played in a 16 team bracket. So essentially up until 2 years ago in SC you had 6 state champs in a given year in football. Now keep in mind this was being done in a state where only 200 schools play football. Of those 200, 128 of them made the playoffs each year.

Since Ohio uses male enrollment only for football you could keep D1 the way it is now numbers wise, see who makes the playoffs under the harbin system, then divide those 32 schools into two 16 team brackets based on male enrollment.
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Old 07-09-18, 09:15 PM
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A few years ago when South Carolina ran a four classification system they would do a system in Class 4A (Similar to D1 in Ohio) where they would take the 32 teams in 4A that qualified for the playoffs and then rank them according to overall enrollment size. The 16 biggest schools who qualified for the playoffs were put into a 16 team bracket nicknamed the "Big 16" and then the other 16 were put into another 16 team bracket. This went away after SC moved to a 5 class system 2 years ago. Under the old 4 class system, 3A schools played in a 32 team bracket with no division, 2A schools likewise and for a time 1A schools did something similar to 4A in that the biggest 1A schools played in their own 16 team bracket and then the smaller 1A schools played in a 16 team bracket. So essentially up until 2 years ago in SC you had 6 state champs in a given year in football. Now keep in mind this was being done in a state where only 200 schools play football. Of those 200, 128 of them made the playoffs each year.

Since Ohio uses male enrollment only for football you could keep D1 the way it is now numbers wise, see who makes the playoffs under the harbin system, then divide those 32 schools into two 16 team brackets based on male enrollment.
I didn't know South Carolina used to have a system like this too. The playoffs there sound a lot like Kentucky where virtually everyone makes the playoffs.
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Old 07-09-18, 09:19 PM
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I am cool with seven.
Unless we hit 800 schools playing football nothing needs to change.
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Old 07-12-18, 01:30 PM
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Ohsaa just sucks at counting how many kids actually go to school there. I remember a local school Trimble played Marion local. ML graduates 80 and Trimble graduates 40 but their ohsaa number was basically the same
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Old 07-12-18, 01:43 PM
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Ohsaa just sucks at counting how many kids actually go to school there.
OHSAA does not count the kids, the schools do. And the schools can make corrections if warranted.

Maybe ML and Trimble have the same number of students but only about half graduate at Trimble.
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Old 07-12-18, 02:01 PM
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OHSAA does not count the kids, the schools do. And the schools can make corrections if warranted.

Maybe ML and Trimble have the same number of students but only about half graduate at Trimble.
Well half because some go to vocational school, online school, or come from other schools and get kicked out quick. The Ohsaa makes you count everyone even though they have nothing to do with the school.
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Old 07-12-18, 02:14 PM
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Ohsaa just sucks at counting how many kids actually go to school there. I remember a local school Trimble played Marion local. ML graduates 80 and Trimble graduates 40 but their ohsaa number was basically the same

You got me curious. looked up this years numbers for both schools.

Marion Local 112 boys CB 8 for a total of 120

Trimble 95 boys CB 10 for a total of 105


Marion graduated 66 kids this past spring. In 2013, the year Marion played Trimble for the Div VII State title Marion graduated 63.

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Old 07-12-18, 03:02 PM
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Well half because some go to vocational school, online school, or come from other schools and get kicked out quick. The Ohsaa makes you count everyone even though they have nothing to do with the school.
Same for everybody, it all evens out.
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