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Old 03-19-17, 01:39 PM
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This is my point. It is an attempt to block radical Islam but so poorly conceived that it does absolutely nothing.
Ineffective does not make it unconstitutional.
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People need to open their eyes. This is not just a US issue:
Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life.
Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.
Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.
When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well.
Here’s how it works.
As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:
United States — Muslim 0.6%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1.8%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%
At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:
Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%
From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:
France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — Muslim 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:
Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 15%
After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:
Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%
At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:
Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%
From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:
Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%
After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:
Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%
100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace. Here there’s supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrases are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:
Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 100%
Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.
‘Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel. — Leon Uris, ‘The Haj’
It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrases. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.
Today’s 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world’s population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world’s population by the end of this century.
(Latest population percentages as of 2008)
Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond’s book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat
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A few of the Muslim percentages are just a touch misleading.

For starters, the Muslim population of China is largely concentrated in the far western autonomous region of Xinjiang (Sinkiang), an area which shares a long border with a number of the former Soviet Central Asian Republics (Kazakstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan), and the Muslims of Xinjiang are largely members of the Turkic Uygur ethnic group.

Trinidad & Tobago and Guyana have always had a large East Indian community. While the vast majority of these are Hindus, it would stand to reason that some of them were emigrants from Pakistan and Bangladesh (most likely when the latter was still part of Pakistan) as these two countries are considered "East Indian".

As to India, amazingly there were actually SOME Muslims who didn't want to migrate back in 1947-48 to become part of the Muslim nation of Pakistan. Even more intriguing, the most recent religious tensions in India have been due to the majority Hindus, with Sikhs also being involved. Muslim tensions in India have been primarily confined to the Kashmir region.

Regarding Israel, it should be remembered that the Muslim population of ISRAEL are considered legally distinct from those of the Palestinian Territories. Israel's religious groups (including JEWS and Christians) are given a great deal of autonomy over their own people. There are purely religious courts which deal exclusively with Jews and exclusively with Christians on a number of social issues, such as marriage, divorce and inheritance. Each religious group is permitted to establish schools with minimal interference by the State--Jewish schools (yeshivas) run by Orthodox Jewish groups segregate students on the basis of gender just as Muslim schools (madrassas) do. Israel has historically had less trouble with its Muslim CITIZENS than the nation has had with Palestinians. (Muslims who hold citizenship in the State of Israel are exempt from the military service required of other Israelis; then again, so are any number of ultra-Orthodox Jewish citizens as long as those Jews are enrolled in a religious school.)

Ethiopia, it should be noted, has always had a very large percentage of Muslims. (That it's given as less than 33% suggests that figures may be very shaky. A figure I have from about 5 years ago indicates that between 40 and 50% of the country's population is Muslim.) In spite of its inclusion in this fear-mongering list, Ethiopia has been surprisingly calm in terms of inter-religious activity. The country's been incredibly troubled in the last 30 years, but little of that trouble has really been due to religious infighting WITHIN the country (there's been far more ethnically-based conflict as well as regional secessionist movements--Eritrea's led to the region's independence).

Bosnia is really out of place on this list. Apparently *someone* wasn't paying very close attention to the news during the 1990s. It was the Muslims of Bosnia who were largely targeted for ethnic cleansing by Bosnia's CHRISTIAN Serbs. Had the Serbian population of the country not been backed by Milosevic in his attempt to annex whole swaths of Bosnian (and Croatian) territory as part of "Greater Serbia" when Bosnia seceded from Yugoslavia, and had the Serbs accepted being part of a multi-ethnic Bosnia-Herzegovina, the country could have been as relatively peaceful as it had under Tito's rule. (Even following the death of Tito, Bosnia was relatively strife-free in spite of its multi-ethnic makeup. The Yugoslav republics of Croatia and Slovenia, largely homogenous regions, saw more strife in the post-Tito years.) In other words, Bosnia's troubles have had almost nothing to do with its Muslim population (and, it should be remembered that it was OTHER Muslim nations, not Bosnia, which urged Muslims go to Bosnia to fight).

Chad. Chad. What can one say about Chad except for the fact that its Muslim population (like Bosnia) has had little to do with its woes? Being invaded by Libya (from the late 1970s all the way up to the mid 1990s, Chad was constantly faced with repelling Libyan troops and Libyan proxies, all over a narrow strip of borderland (the Aozou Strip), and more recently, the country's had to deal with the overflow from Sudan's Darfur strife.

And Lebanon. If it weren't for the Christian population's stubbornness on retaining political superiority over the Muslim population, there might be a bit less of the infighting that's described. When France granted Lebanon independence back in the 1940s, a census was conducted which set the formula for political governance. The Maronite Christians (not the only Christian group, but by far the majority) had a significant plurality of the population which allowed them to hold the Presidency and the bulk of seats in the Parliament (the Orthodox Christians were awarded the post of Deputy Prime Minister). The Speaker of Parliament had to be a Shi'a Muslim; the Prime Minister, a Sunni Muslim. After 1990, the Parliament was reapportioned to equalize the Muslim/Christian split. Then, too, there was a little matter of an invasion by Israel in the 1980s and an occupation of nearly half of Southern Lebanon which lasted more than a decade (which certainly didn't help religious rivalries, especially as the Israelis were very strongly supportive of the Christian population). Incidentally, until 1975, Lebanon had almost no religious-based strife, and nearly everyone agrees that the Christian leadership was most at fault for the eventual eruption of strife since they were the ones who most strongly opposed any census which might lead to a lessening of their power.

Regarding Albania, the 70% Muslim is largely regarded as a HISTORICAL figure which may not reflect MODERN post-Communist Albania. Under the Hoxha regime, Albania became one of the most avidly atheist societies wherein virtually every mosque and church was converted to museums or government offices. After the collapse of Communism, Islam didn't really regain a foothold in the same manner that Christian denominations did in the rest of Eastern Europe. Unlike Poland and the Catholic Church, there was no mainstream Islamic organization to play a role in the fight to end Communism (similarly, religious denominations played a very limited or non-existent role in Yugoslavia, Hungary or Czechoslovakia, but the leaders of the Communist regimes never attempted the same type of religious eradication as was done in Albania). In fact, according to Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Albania),

"Western European countries (but Germany and Austria) considered Albania as a Turkish colony for almost five centuries (1400-1900), mainly because they wrongly believed, some still do, that Albanians are Muslims.

Albania's perception in the West as an 'Islamic' country has also been reinforced because of the Serbian propaganda since the end of the nineteenth century onwards to present the Albanians as 'fanatic adherents' of the Islamic faith and as such as 'non-Europeans'.

Documents made public recently by the US government reveal that during the Cold War the West as well as the USSR often referred to Albania as a 'Muslim' country in spite of the officially atheistic stance of the Albanian government. [11]"

The trend of declaring Albanians as 70% Muslims and 30% Christians, both of different denominations, and thus as a 100% religious people, or of declaring Albania as a Muslim Country or religious country, still carries on in international media, press, tv and the internet, thus perpetuating misinformation, outdated perceptions and distortion of reality.

I'm also a bit confused over the inclusion of a quote from Leon Uris. Using a work of fiction doesn't really bolster one's argument. A work of fiction can illuminate certain aspects of reality (though it usually helps if the writer is OF that culture) but it shouldn't be used to prove one's own bigoted preconceptions.
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Old 03-19-17, 03:59 PM
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A few of the Muslim percentages are just a touch misleading.

For starters, the Muslim population of China is largely concentrated in the far western autonomous region of Xinjiang (Sinkiang), an area which shares a long border with a number of the former Soviet Central Asian Republics (Kazakstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan), and the Muslims of Xinjiang are largely members of the Turkic Uygur ethnic group.

Trinidad & Tobago and Guyana have always had a large East Indian community. While the vast majority of these are Hindus, it would stand to reason that some of them were emigrants from Pakistan and Bangladesh (most likely when the latter was still part of Pakistan) as these two countries are considered "East Indian".

As to India, amazingly there were actually SOME Muslims who didn't want to migrate back in 1947-48 to become part of the Muslim nation of Pakistan. Even more intriguing, the most recent religious tensions in India have been due to the majority Hindus, with Sikhs also being involved. Muslim tensions in India have been primarily confined to the Kashmir region.

Regarding Israel, it should be remembered that the Muslim population of ISRAEL are considered legally distinct from those of the Palestinian Territories. Israel's religious groups (including JEWS and Christians) are given a great deal of autonomy over their own people. There are purely religious courts which deal exclusively with Jews and exclusively with Christians on a number of social issues, such as marriage, divorce and inheritance. Each religious group is permitted to establish schools with minimal interference by the State--Jewish schools (yeshivas) run by Orthodox Jewish groups segregate students on the basis of gender just as Muslim schools (madrassas) do. Israel has historically had less trouble with its Muslim CITIZENS than the nation has had with Palestinians. (Muslims who hold citizenship in the State of Israel are exempt from the military service required of other Israelis; then again, so are any number of ultra-Orthodox Jewish citizens as long as those Jews are enrolled in a religious school.)

Ethiopia, it should be noted, has always had a very large percentage of Muslims. (That it's given as less than 33% suggests that figures may be very shaky. A figure I have from about 5 years ago indicates that between 40 and 50% of the country's population is Muslim.) In spite of its inclusion in this fear-mongering list, Ethiopia has been surprisingly calm in terms of inter-religious activity. The country's been incredibly troubled in the last 30 years, but little of that trouble has really been due to religious infighting WITHIN the country (there's been far more ethnically-based conflict as well as regional secessionist movements--Eritrea's led to the region's independence).

Bosnia is really out of place on this list. Apparently *someone* wasn't paying very close attention to the news during the 1990s. It was the Muslims of Bosnia who were largely targeted for ethnic cleansing by Bosnia's CHRISTIAN Serbs. Had the Serbian population of the country not been backed by Milosevic in his attempt to annex whole swaths of Bosnian (and Croatian) territory as part of "Greater Serbia" when Bosnia seceded from Yugoslavia, and had the Serbs accepted being part of a multi-ethnic Bosnia-Herzegovina, the country could have been as relatively peaceful as it had under Tito's rule. (Even following the death of Tito, Bosnia was relatively strife-free in spite of its multi-ethnic makeup. The Yugoslav republics of Croatia and Slovenia, largely homogenous regions, saw more strife in the post-Tito years.) In other words, Bosnia's troubles have had almost nothing to do with its Muslim population (and, it should be remembered that it was OTHER Muslim nations, not Bosnia, which urged Muslims go to Bosnia to fight).

Chad. Chad. What can one say about Chad except for the fact that its Muslim population (like Bosnia) has had little to do with its woes? Being invaded by Libya (from the late 1970s all the way up to the mid 1990s, Chad was constantly faced with repelling Libyan troops and Libyan proxies, all over a narrow strip of borderland (the Aozou Strip), and more recently, the country's had to deal with the overflow from Sudan's Darfur strife.

And Lebanon. If it weren't for the Christian population's stubbornness on retaining political superiority over the Muslim population, there might be a bit less of the infighting that's described. When France granted Lebanon independence back in the 1940s, a census was conducted which set the formula for political governance. The Maronite Christians (not the only Christian group, but by far the majority) had a significant plurality of the population which allowed them to hold the Presidency and the bulk of seats in the Parliament (the Orthodox Christians were awarded the post of Deputy Prime Minister). The Speaker of Parliament had to be a Shi'a Muslim; the Prime Minister, a Sunni Muslim. After 1990, the Parliament was reapportioned to equalize the Muslim/Christian split. Then, too, there was a little matter of an invasion by Israel in the 1980s and an occupation of nearly half of Southern Lebanon which lasted more than a decade (which certainly didn't help religious rivalries, especially as the Israelis were very strongly supportive of the Christian population). Incidentally, until 1975, Lebanon had almost no religious-based strife, and nearly everyone agrees that the Christian leadership was most at fault for the eventual eruption of strife since they were the ones who most strongly opposed any census which might lead to a lessening of their power.

Regarding Albania, the 70% Muslim is largely regarded as a HISTORICAL figure which may not reflect MODERN post-Communist Albania. Under the Hoxha regime, Albania became one of the most avidly atheist societies wherein virtually every mosque and church was converted to museums or government offices. After the collapse of Communism, Islam didn't really regain a foothold in the same manner that Christian denominations did in the rest of Eastern Europe. Unlike Poland and the Catholic Church, there was no mainstream Islamic organization to play a role in the fight to end Communism (similarly, religious denominations played a very limited or non-existent role in Yugoslavia, Hungary or Czechoslovakia, but the leaders of the Communist regimes never attempted the same type of religious eradication as was done in Albania). In fact, according to Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Albania),

"Western European countries (but Germany and Austria) considered Albania as a Turkish colony for almost five centuries (1400-1900), mainly because they wrongly believed, some still do, that Albanians are Muslims.

Albania's perception in the West as an 'Islamic' country has also been reinforced because of the Serbian propaganda since the end of the nineteenth century onwards to present the Albanians as 'fanatic adherents' of the Islamic faith and as such as 'non-Europeans'.

Documents made public recently by the US government reveal that during the Cold War the West as well as the USSR often referred to Albania as a 'Muslim' country in spite of the officially atheistic stance of the Albanian government. [11]"

The trend of declaring Albanians as 70% Muslims and 30% Christians, both of different denominations, and thus as a 100% religious people, or of declaring Albania as a Muslim Country or religious country, still carries on in international media, press, tv and the internet, thus perpetuating misinformation, outdated perceptions and distortion of reality.

I'm also a bit confused over the inclusion of a quote from Leon Uris. Using a work of fiction doesn't really bolster one's argument. A work of fiction can illuminate certain aspects of reality (though it usually helps if the writer is OF that culture) but it shouldn't be used to prove one's own bigoted preconceptions.
Nice history post but Moedude's basic point is correct IMO. There is a "general" trend toward a certain behavioral cascade based on the % of a society that is Muslim. That Islamic states tend to move towards a monolithic religious environment is true.

As I've argued before the "laboratory" that matters to the USA is Europe. By watching and understanding what is happening there between the growing Muslim population and the stagnant native population we can better prepare ourselves for our own future.
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People need to open their eyes. This is not just a US issue:
Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life.
Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.
Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.
When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well.
Here’s how it works.
As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:
United States — Muslim 0.6%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1.8%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%
At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:
Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%
From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:
France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — Muslim 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:
Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 15%
After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:
Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%
At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:
Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%
From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:
Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%
After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:
Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%
100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace. Here there’s supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrases are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:
Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 100%
Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.
‘Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel. — Leon Uris, ‘The Haj’
It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrases. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.
Today’s 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world’s population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world’s population by the end of this century.
(Latest population percentages as of 2008)
Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond’s book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat
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MoeDude you paint an accurate picture of the impact of a society's Islamic percentage and some unpleasant consequences. Sure you're painting with a broad brush and there are exceptions to what you've noted. But in this case looking at the big picture and generalizing across nations is proper and enlightening.

To bad that you will catch hell from those that will nitpick your post to shreds. Because on the important stuff you are 100% correct.
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MoeDude you paint an accurate picture of the impact of a society's Islamic percentage and some unpleasant consequences. Sure you're painting with a broad brush and there are exceptions to what you've noted. But in this case looking at the big picture and generalizing across nations is proper and enlightening.

Too bad that you will catch hell from those that will nitpick your post to shreds. Because on the important stuff you are 100% correct.
If Neopolitan was paying attention he'd see that these numbers are from 2008. But the point is it's only gotten worse in the past 8+ years. I really don't understand why so many people are turning a blind eye to what is obviously going on with the global migration of Muslims and their belief structure.
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MoeDude you paint an accurate picture of the impact of a society's Islamic percentage and some unpleasant consequences. Sure you're painting with a broad brush and there are exceptions to what you've noted. But in this case looking at the big picture and generalizing across nations is proper and enlightening.

To bad that you will catch hell from those that will nitpick your post to shreds. Because on the important stuff you are 100% correct.
Hear-hear!
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So are Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, and Christianity.
Umm, no. But nice try.
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Umm, no. But nice try.
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If Neopolitan was paying attention he'd see that these numbers are from 2008. But the point is it's only gotten worse in the past 8+ years. I really don't understand why so many people are turning a blind eye to what is obviously going on with the global migration of Muslims and their belief structure.
Since you copy/pasted that from a post on another website, I thought I'd do you a favor and copy/paste the response.

Do you have any original thoughts on the matter?
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Since you copy/pasted that from a post on another website, I thought I'd do you a favor and copy/paste the response.

Do you have any original thoughts on the matter?
Facts have to be original now?
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Facts have to be original now?
Well quite a bit of that wasn't fact. Which isn't moedude's fault as he copy/pasted it.

I'm in agreement that I don't want more Muslims. But a pathetic effort none the less from Moedude.
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Facts have to be original now?
Of course. How else do we make up "alternative" facts? Come on now.
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This is absolutely checks and balances.

A CEO is trying to dictate. He is in violation of the Constitution and a FEDERAL judge realized it. Period.

I love how the same people that talk about upholding the Constitution all the time pick and choose when and what they want upheld. Just like citing NY Times articles that weeks early they called "fake".
How fortunate for you, coming out of a coma as a new President takes office. I'm sorry to hear you missed the last 8 years......
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How fortunate for you, coming out of a coma as a new President takes office. I'm sorry to hear you missed the last 8 years......
No kidding.
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Since you copy/pasted that from a post on another website, I thought I'd do you a favor and copy/paste the response.

Do you have any original thoughts on the matter?
All you did was show where the Muslim inhabitants came from in many of the countries. As lotr10 stated I did use a broad brush but the reality is whenever the Muslim population grows to a significant percentage of the total population troubles tend to begin because they don't believe in assimilation. Instead they start pushing their beliefs on everyone else and once their numbers get large enough they start using more force to instill their way of life. Look at international news of the problems in Germany, France, UK and Australia just to name a few. Oh yea and SWEDEN!

An honest question here, name one other migrant group that consistently has "no go" zones within the countries they immigrate?

Yes I copied and pasted it because it is a realistic picture of what is going on around the globe.
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I did use a broad brush.
No you didn't. Someone else did then you tried to pass it off as your thoughts.
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All you did was show where the Muslim inhabitants came from in many of the countries. As lotr10 stated I did use a broad brush but the reality is whenever the Muslim population grows to a significant percentage of the total population troubles tend to begin because they don't believe in assimilation. Instead they start pushing their beliefs on everyone else and once their numbers get large enough they start using more force to instill their way of life. Look at international news of the problems in Germany, France, UK and Australia just to name a few. Oh yea and SWEDEN!

An honest question here, name one other migrant group that consistently has "no go" zones within the countries they immigrate?

Yes I copied and pasted it because it is a realistic picture of what is going on around the globe.
This is a largely true observation of the effect that increasing Muslim populations have on their adopted country's.
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Sweden ninth on "World's Happiest" list. Obviously a media conspiracy. Sucks to be Sweden.
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I've been to Sweden. I didn't experience any cultural issues with Muslims or riots. But I was led to believe all the women were 6 foot blonde models. Not the case. So who knows what else they're lying about.
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I've been to Sweden. I didn't experience any cultural issues with Muslims or riots. But I was led to believe all the women were 6 foot blonde models. Not the case. So who knows what else they're lying about.
Some of those six foot women were big boned too! But I did enjoy the look up.
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No you didn't. Someone else did then you tried to pass it off as your thoughts.
I'm pretty sure most of knew it was a cut and paste.
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I'm pretty sure most of knew it was a cut and paste.
Pretty obvious.
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I'm pretty sure most of knew it was a cut and paste.
Well no kidding. He didn't even remove the footer links.
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Well no kidding. He didn't even remove the footer links.
Hence, no real need for you to point it out to us three times.
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Hence, no real need for you to point it out to us three times.
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Well quite a bit of that wasn't fact. Which isn't moedude's fault as he copy/pasted it.

I'm in agreement that I don't want more Muslims. But a pathetic effort none the less from Moedude.
I'm curious, why you seem so offended by the post. It states percentages and relates to issues going on at various levels in each of the countries in the different groupings. It doesn't take much effort to view world news to see that where there are large settlements of Muslims there are serious issues confronting their adopted countries' government.

Again, what other immigrant group has "no go" zones? In many big US cities you have Little Italy, Chinatown etc but from my recollection they've never been "no go zones". The reality is once they get planted they don't assimilate they start forming their own mini cultural and government.
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Again, what other immigrant group has "no go" zones? In many big US cities you have Little Italy, Chinatown etc but from my recollection they've never been "no go zones". The reality is once they get planted they don't assimilate they start forming their own mini cultural and government.
Exactly right. In fact in the "little Italy's", "little Korea's", & "little China's" of America the operative word wasn't "no go zone" it was "come and bring your money" zones.

The brilliant political scientist Samuel Huntington identified the "bloody borders of Islam" years ago and he spoke of BOTH the external borders where the Muslim world rubs up against the Secular, Christian, Buddhist, Jewish, Pagan, Hindu & Confusion worlds and the internal borders where Muslim migrant groups congregate, separate and eventually come into conflict with the host culture.

Now maybe this conflict is not inevitable and perhaps a way can be found to encourage assimilation but to ignore the existence of the problem today and act as if there is no threat in the future is to bury ones head in the sand.
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I'm curious, why you seem so offended by the post. It states percentages and relates to issues going on at various levels in each of the countries in the different groupings. It doesn't take much effort to view world news to see that where there are large settlements of Muslims there are serious issues confronting their adopted countries' government.

Again, what other immigrant group has "no go" zones? In many big US cities you have Little Italy, Chinatown etc but from my recollection they've never been "no go zones". The reality is once they get planted they don't assimilate they start forming their own mini cultural and government.
What you fail to realize is Bill Gates took out a 2 page ad in USA today this morning. Did you read it? My good friend Pearlas Sandborn forwarded it to me and and she really is an attorney.

If she says that this will work – It will work. After all, What have you got to lose?

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I thought this was a scam myself, But two weeks after receiving this e-mail and forwarding it on. Microsoft contacted me for my address and withindays, I receive a check for $24,800.00. You need to respond before the beta testing is over. If anyone can affoard this, Bill gates is the man.

It’s all marketing expense to him. Please forward this to as many people as possible. You are bound to get at least $10,000.00. We’re not going to help them out with their e-mail beta test without getting a little something for our time. My brother’s girlfriend got in on this a few months ago. When i went to visit him for the Baylor/UT game. She showed me her check. It was for the sum of $4,324.44 and was stamped “Paid in full”

Like i said before, I know the law, and this is for real.

Intel and AOL are now discussing a merger which would make them the largest Internet company and in an effort make sure that AOL remains the most widely used program, Intel and AOL are running an e-mail beta test.

When you forward this post to friends, Intel can and will track it (if you are a Microsoft Windows user) for a two week time period.
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